The stuff with Dany is starting to get interesting now. She's finally settled to become a queen but you can see she's beginning to crack a little bit. I think the big problem with her storyline is that it feels completely separate from Westeros. Until the writers can solve that, people are always going to find it less interesting than what happens on the other side of the sea.
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Yeah, I mean she's not a great actress herlself but her story doesn't help her much. Being isolated from the rest and not having other good or interesting characters to play off is hard. A lot of the Westeros good scenes come from interactions between two good characters, while all Dany has is Ser Barriston and Lord Friendzoned.
To be fair, people who are so put off by her demolishing everything in her path with her army aren't totally fair either because it's not like we have seen realistic warfare on the other side. In the battle of Blackwater bay, we just saw Tywin enter the red keep saying he has won, when the whole battle was in Stannis favour before that. No one saw what exactly happened or how he drove out his army that had already invaded the city, it just happened because he had a bigger/stronger army. Pretty much exactly how Dany sacked Yunkai.
I don't think the writers are keen on getting us involved in the actual inside stories of the wars. They just want us to know what led to it and the consequences of it, not the actual war. Since Westeros has so much more happening, they get away with it while with Dany that's pretty much her story so far, that is conquering cities.
Tywin wasn't even at the battle of Blackwater. Tyrion wiped a load out using the wild fire and then when it looked like the were getting overwhelmed on the shore, Loras turned up with Renly's former men and helped the Lannisters. It's hardly the same as Dany taking the massive city of Mereen by sending in a few men to arm enough of the slaves to take on the masters and their army.
Wasn't the last scene of that episode Tywin entering the Throne room where Cersei was about to give poison to Tommen? Pretty sure I remember that...
Point is, we can only assume how both battles were won, nothing was shown. It is clearly not in the interest of the writers to make a part of this show about the battles, their tactics and strategies. The most we ever get to know to logically predict who should win it is the number of soldiers and in some cases how strong they are, which is possibly the highest for the Unsullied.
In case of Mereen, she sent a decent amount of the most clinical army in the continent with feck loads of weapons that enabled all citizens/slaves to be a part of the attack. One can also assume there was a big factor of surprise as the masters were not expecting their slaves to suddenly turn up with swords, deadly ones. And so far what we have seen in both continents, if you kill the person/group controlling the city army, the army simply joins your forces and doesn't fight to protect the city. When Melisandre's shadow son killed Renley, Stannis simply acquired those men and ships, so you can assume something similar happened with whatever army mereen had, if it did. I don't think it did, because in the last episode during the small council meeting they only talk about the Unsullied and the Second Sons. So possibly the city was run by masters who enslaved people and had no army, perhaps since there was no immediate threat or perhaps in a case of war they would have had the money to buy other armies, which wasn't the possibility in case of an inside invasion.
Basically the point is the war/taking over/conquering aspect is hardly detailed at all and it goes for both continents. Everytime there is a war it basically focuses on the main characters and leaders and the defeat/assassination of the leader means war is over, doesn't matter who had the stronger or bigger army. So it's just that in Dany's case almost all her storyline revolves around conquering cities and this lack of detail hurts her a lot more than the ones in the westeros.
Just checked and Tywin did turn up at the end along with Loras. So it's basically implied that those two combined forces helped overwhelm Stannis' army. You're right we don't need to see the tactics involved but we get a plausible explanation of how they won which isn't what we got with Mereen. Had they implied that Dany sieged the city with her forces then I could get on board with that but they didn't. She didn't send in that many men and there is no way they could carry enough weapons for all the slaves, or even enough of them. Mereen from the shots shown was massive and considering that the slaves are 3 to 1 on the masters they would need thousands of weapons. The city would have some sort of guard to keep the people in line as well, we even saw a couple of soldiers escorting a master. It's too much of stretch to believe these slaves managed to take over the city. Not with the number of them that could be armed, and not against trained soldiers. All that was needed is a reference to Dany's army being involved as well, maybe attacking the front gate distracting the bulk of Mereen's forces but we got nothing. Cities just happen to fall to her, just like everyone happens to want to follow her.
Tbh I didn't find either of them to be plausible. At the time Tywin and Tyrells intervened Stannis was already inside the walls. In a minute, the war got over. Wars don't get over in a matter of minutes, they at least take days so if you want it to be realistic, that war wasn't. It was really as if by magic who just arrived and boom, game over.
But it's all upto individual interpretation. Maybe the Unsullied finished the job or took out the trained guards while the slaves just took out their masters and the writers did not feel important to show it all, just like they didn't feel important at Blackwater. In fact, Stannis was pretty much inside the walls when they arrived, we never saw how he escaped, or how most people died from Wildfire except one person, Ser Davos. Either the writers don't know how to handle war scripts and hence finish them quickly or they just don't care about that aspect or perhaps they don't have enough runtime to show the critical moments of wars and conquering of cities. Either way it is pretty uniform for me and very evident that wars and battles are handled poorly, intentionally or unintentionally and that's pretty uniform across all parts of the world. It's just that Dany simply has nothing else to do before or after that happens while there's politics, mind games, manipulation, an excellent group of actors above everything and so many different angles that any holes left in the action aspect are soon forgotten in Westeros.
Again I am not really saying that Dany is some great character or her story has been done well, but the complains about her conquers are not limited to her story.
It was a battle not a war at Blackwater Bay. The war's still on judging by the fact Balon Greyjoy and Stannis are still alive and calling themselves king.
I'm pretty sure it's way too expensive. The budget for each episode is about 6m as far as I know, that's not enough to film big battle scenes. We get a glimpse here and there, but that's all and I doubt it'll change. The writers are doing a great job to work around it, in my opinion.
We really need at least one huge battle before its all done and dusted, it has to happen! I've not read the books so I've no idea as to where this is going really... any number of possibilities.. but for me from the first episode to the last one it has needed a massive battle to give it some kind of ending!
Where and how they manage to do it down the line I dunno, but its a must!
I had not watched any of this until a couple of days ago, I am now on episode 8 of season 1. It is getting good, how much of an emotional rollercoaster am I about to be taken on ?
You might need Dr Phil on speed dial to get those emotions back in check if you binge on the next 3 seasons... only show better than GoT for me is Breaking Bad!
Don't visit this thread until you've watched it all. You're in for a lot of fun.
Pretty cool recap of events so far here, might be worth looking at if you think you've missed some stuff or who certain characters are.
F*ck.
I wish Cina would not show up.
i still haven't opened the spoiler
Why would Cersei set her own twitter handle as cersei_shmirseiPretty cool recap of events so far here, might be worth looking at if you think you've missed some stuff or who certain characters are.
She was obviously drunk when she signed up.
I've not really read much of it. I want too speed through the series so I can see where everyone is up too but I don't want too wait a week for an episode.
Why didn't you ever recommend me too watch this Sizzles? I hate you.
Your physco ex x100
Yeah, waiting a week for each episode sucks but it's too good a show to pace yourself with it.I've not really read much of it. I want too speed through the series so I can see where everyone is up too but I don't want too wait a week for an episode.
Why didn't you ever recommend me too watch this Sizzles? I hate you.
I thought everyone knew about GoT, where have you been man?!Just got to episode 6 of season 4:
Shae? Why?
Tyrion is amazing, seriously, he's amazing. I wish I could be him.
No Ygritte is the episode sucked a bit.
I like the french guy on the judges council. Interesting character.
Tyrion is amazing, seriously, he's amazing. I wish I could be him.
No Ygritte is the episode sucked a bit.
I like the french guy on the judges council. Interesting character.
French
French guy??
Edit: BTW, i'm assuming we don't need to put whatever happened in the episode in the spoilers. Only speculation is spoiler worthy. Not sure why @Slevs put that in a spoiler.
Edit: BTW, i'm assuming we don't need to put whatever happened in the episode in the spoilers. Only speculation is spoiler worthy. Not sure why @Slevs put that in a spoiler.
Ygritte is ugly.
French
You know who I mean
Shut yo mouth, she's sexy as fook.
Oh ffs, here we go again.
He is called Oberyn Martell @Slevs
You know nothing. On second thought, nothing special.
True, you'd be excited all week too see the new episode. Until the season ends of course!Yeah, waiting a week for each episode sucks but it's too good a show to pace yourself with it.
I knew about it mate I just never thought it'd be my cup of tea. You've let me down by not forcing me too watch it though. White Walkersssss.
The ginger bird? She's...well..ginger.
I keep expecting Ygritte to scream Ricky!!!
reminds me too much from yer woman who was in Eastenders, Bianca
reminds me too much from yer woman who was in Eastenders, Bianca
Great episode. I'm assuming next week will go back to Bran and the weirdos. But I can't wait to return to westeros. I wonder if Tywin really thinks Tyrion did it. Cersei is awful. When Shea came in you could see Tyrion's heart breaking...
I enjoyed Sir Davos and Stanis at the Iron Bank too.
I enjoyed Sir Davos and Stanis at the Iron Bank too.
The opening shot of Braavos was possibly the best we have seen in terms of visuals on this show.
"Ygritte is ugly". Expressed by internet warriors with girlfriends who turn most people to stone.
Wrongly calling people internet warriors whilst being an internet warrior yourself by abusing those people and their girlfriends. Nicely done buddy.
Ygritte is beautiful, your girlfriends are beautiful, women are beautiful. Let's not start arguing in here.
Nope
Get fecked.