Gaa 2013

moses said:
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Only some of it, Brolly was fun though you have to admit?
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I only just seen the video above moses and TBH it's not acceptable to talk like that about an amateur player let alone one of the finest in the country. I was in markievicz park for the start of the club championship straight after the final whistle.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
I only just seen the video above moses and TBH it's not acceptable to talk like that about an amateur player let alone one of the finest in the country. I was in markievicz park for the start of the club championship straight after the final whistle.
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I agree, Brolly was very unprofessional, and I also said the blame for that cynicism, and it is cynicism, lies with the governing bodies and officials.

That said, Tyrone do have a cynical edge to them that other sides, under the same laws, don't have.
 
I have to admit, I was very pissed off when Cavanagh took yer man down, but in fairness, if I had to do the same in order to get to a semi final, I'd do it. Its the rule makers that are at fault, and sure, Cavanagh is exploiting a hole in the rule book, but most of the players would. While on the topic of rules, its ridiculous that the umpires can't flag an incident to the ref. The Cork lad(cant remember who) blatantly touched the ball on the ground denying us a guaranteed goal, but nothing came of it. Just as bad as Cavanagh tbf.

As for us, to be honest, I never really thought we'd lose to that Cork team today tbh. I reckon we'll beat Kerry(/Cavan) aswell. I hope to God Mayo beat Donegal tomorrow too.

And Big Papi, like last year, has been a complete bitter mess in this thread, its actually quite sad.
 
BD94 said:
I have to admit, I was very pissed off when Cavanagh took yer man down, but in fairness, if I had to do the same in order to get to a semi final, I'd do it. Its the rule makers that are at fault, and sure, Cavanagh is exploiting a hole in the rule book, but most of the players would. While on the topic of rules, its ridiculous that the umpires can't flag an incident to the ref. The Cork lad(cant remember who) blatantly touched the ball on the ground denying us a guaranteed goal, but nothing came of it. Just as bad as Cavanagh tbf.

As for us, to be honest, I never really thought we'd lose to that Cork team today tbh. I reckon we'll beat Kerry(/Cavan) aswell. I hope to God Mayo beat Donegal tomorrow too.

And Big Papi, like last year, has been a complete bitter mess in this thread, its actually quite sad.
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I agree with most of that.

The thing about Cavanagh and the Cork incident is that Tyrone do have an overall cynicism so the individual reaction that might be universal is seen in a different light in the context of the overall. Which is fair enough because Tyrone do gamble by being cynical and it has paid off for them many times in the past, so to act all butthurt now is a bit much.

That side they had a while back with the talent, work rate and tendency towards the dark arts was an amazing side. This side is less adept in all 3 areas.
 
TBH lads Tyrone were getting pulled and dragged for the full first half. O'Neill has been targeted for years and we don't cry about it. Every team does things that are against the rules in order to win and Tyrone are just one side from every county and club team in the country. It's no worse than blocking your runner off the ball or shit like that and it's the way the game is played at every level now.
 
Big Papi said:
No its not. You're saying Dublin isn't cynical too? Bullshite.
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Not like Tyrone, and really if you believe they are you stand alone. The three numpties on the TV, while not as animated as Brolly singled out Tyrone. So it is the same point for the third time, whining about Cluxton yet defending Tyrone. Bitter hypocrisy, ruining a good thread. Take heed.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
TBH lads Tyrone were getting pulled and dragged for the full first half. O'Neill has been targeted for years and we don't cry about it. Every team does things that are against the rules in order to win and Tyrone are just one side from every county and club team in the country. It's no worse than blocking your runner off the ball or shit like that and it's the way the game is played at every level now.
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There are levels of it, and getting a happy one is tough. I think Dublin teams in the far past have pushed the rules too far, but in more recent years have been far too easily bullied, and naive. Those Cork and Mayo games are good examples.

Tyrone did push the limits while having huge success and that may have jaundiced our views, but I don't think it's all just imagination?
 
moses said:
Not like Tyrone, and really if you believe they are you stand alone. The three numpties on the TV, while not as animated as Brolly singled out Tyrone. So it is the same point for the third time, whining about Cluxton yet defending Tyrone. Bitter hypocrisy, ruining a good thread. Take heed.
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So I can't have an opinion? I've said that Tyrone was very good at what they do.

Earlier in the thread, someone lumped Tyrone in with Armagh & Donegal and I felt it was unfair to do this because although Tyrone appeared with that sort of football (esp in '03), they were also capable of some glorious passages of play in numerous matches, over the years. That they have done this, running alongside many losses both on and off the field, led by a man of particular, singular vision, has pushed them to the top of the pile in my eyes.

It's not just bitter hypocrisy either - there is a lot of truth in the matter. Cluxton faffs about with freekicks. In the AI final 2011, he took the entire IT to take the kick. Against Laois last year, he did the same. But this is ok in Dublin fans' eyes as its their own. So, it's your hyprocrisy on show as much as mine to whine about Cavanagh but not to mention all the timewasting. When Ollie Murphy scored that goal in '99(?), rounding Peadar Andrews with relative ease, one journalist's "if onlys" at the end of the year was why did Andrews not just pull him down. When Sheehan let McMenamin past him last year, he was criticised for not doing it.

I'm not defending Cavanagh's actions today, per se, but Tyrone's style in general. When a team comes to play ball, Tyrone play ball. If a team wants to go toe-to-toe, Tyrone can do that too. Is there another county that can say the same?
 
Feeky_Magee said:
I know it's an amateur organisation, but the professional foul has to be introduced to the GAA.
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Colm was beside him when he fell, so Sean wasnt the last man. So stick your professional foul shizzle up yer dizzle Mr Magoooo...

This thread is hilarious, same as all the other yearly Gaa threads :lol:

Irwin - just bask in the glory that we've annoyed the same folk we always do when we win... fecking brilliant craic these wums & ABT's. The same folk who cry about ABU's :lol:

Stuff-the-Goat - it wasnt a great game & it could have gone either way. You have a great team there, i hope you take great heart from how impressive you've been & being Ulster Champions is something that many a Farney man has never had the pleasure of witnessing since you last won it, and in the manner in which you did it, beatin the All-Ireland Champs, makes it even more special.

Well done mucker - onwards & upwards brother... You're Ulster Champs now, so enjoy the bragging rights - its well deserved!
 
Big Papi said:
it's your hyprocrisy on show as much as mine to whine about Cavanagh but not to mention all the timewasting.
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This is just proof of your lack of worth to this thread. I said from the off that both issues needed addressing, and well before I was pressed and appeared like a pissed WUM.

Wind your neck in or I'll feck you out of this thread as I happen to enjoy it bar your constant bullshit.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Colm was beside him when he fell, so Sean wasnt the last man. So stick your professional foul shizzle up yer dizzle Mr Magoooo...

This thread is hilarious, same as all the other yearly Gaa threads :lol:

Irwin - just bask in the glory that we've annoyed the same folk we always do when we win... fecking brilliant craic these wums & ABT's. The same folk who cry about ABU's :lol:
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I think by professional foul he means the overtly cynical foul that moved the soccer bods to bring in the last man rule, and he's right and it's not just about Cavanagh or Tyrone. There is no such thing as ABT, almost everyone agreed it was a rules issue. And it is, and has been. Maybe there was a point where it wasn't needed but it is now, as Irwin said there is a cynicism across the game at all levels.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Ole was the last man - Seany wasnt. Colm was beside him!
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Yeah, I know, but it's the same cynicism and the different outcome we are comparing. Of course they are not like for like, they are separate sports. All that is being discussed is the ethics.
 
Those clowns in Waxy's had fecking Oasis blaring at half-time and full-time so I couldn't hear the analysis but I could tell Brolly was getting worked up about something. I didn't really know what though until I saw the video posted earlier. I have to say - and I watched the match in the presence of a Derryman and a Galwayman - and we were all unanimous in our verdicts regarding the Cavanagh incident. Cynical as feck, but I'd have done the same myself. Until there's a change in the rulebook, that is going to be exploited at every opportunity.

The big issue with Tyrone today wasn't Cavanagh's cynicism, it was the thuggery of Gormley and Penrose. Penrose rightly saw red for his punch and Gormley should also get retrospective action. There's acting the hard man and there's being a bollocks. Those two over-stepped the line today.
 
nahealai said:
Those clowns in Waxy's had fecking Oasis blaring at half-time and full-time do I couldn't hear the analysis but I could tell Brolly was getting worked up about something. I didn't really know what though until I saw the video posted earlier. I have to say - and I watched the match in the presence of a Derryman and a Galwayman - and we were all unanimous in our verdicts regarding the Cavanagh incident. Cynical as feck, but I'd have done the same myself. Until there's a change I. The rulebook, that is going to be exploited at every opportunity.

The big issue with Tyrone today wasn't Cavanagh's cynicism, it was the thuggery of Gormley and Penrose. Penrose rightly saw red for his punch and Gormley should also get retrospective action. There's acting the hard man and there's being a bollocks. Those two over-stepped the line today.
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Aye, I agree and the other incidents are what makes the Cavanagh incident attract the attention, that's what I said above. It doesn't look the individual incident it is.
 
If there was a chance my man was in on goal in an All-Ireland Quarter-Final to score a potentially decisive goal, I'd tear the jersey clean off his back, never mind say a harmless rugby tackle.

It's the other shit I have issue with when it comes to Tyrone.
 
nahealai said:
If there was a chance my man was in on goal in an All-Ireland Quarter-Final to score a potentially decisive goal, I'd tear the jersey clean off his back, never mind say a harmless rugby tackle.

It's the other shit I have issue with when it comes to Tyrone.
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I agree, but I don't think the team helped Cavanagh's PR. Like was said above the Cork incident was arguably the same level of cynicism, but was an isolated incident. That and the fact Cavanagh is a literally outstanding footballer.
 
Cavanagh was brilliant yet again today it has to be said. His points-scoring ability is unlike that of any midfielder I've seen in my lifetime. You almost expect him to score three and four points from play in every game, which for a midfielder, is ridiculous.

Footballer of the Year for me if he and Tyrone can keep their form going.
 
nahealai said:
Those clowns in Waxy's had fecking Oasis blaring at half-time and full-time so I couldn't hear the analysis but I could tell Brolly was getting worked up about something. I didn't really know what though until I saw the video posted earlier. I have to say - and I watched the match in the presence of a Derryman and a Galwayman - and we were all unanimous in our verdicts regarding the Cavanagh incident. Cynical as feck, but I'd have done the same myself. Until there's a change in the rulebook, that is going to be exploited at every opportunity.

The big issue with Tyrone today wasn't Cavanagh's cynicism, it was the thuggery of Gormley and Penrose. Penrose rightly saw red for his punch and Gormley should also get retrospective action. There's acting the hard man and there's being a bollocks. Those two over-stepped the line today.
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If you think that was thuggery or as bad that you've had to mention it a few times please don't tell me you play or watch club football because there's worse every single game.

I wouldn't mind but calling Penrose a dirty player proves that you haven't got a fecking clue what you're talking about.
 
moses said:
There are levels of it, and getting a happy one is tough. I think Dublin teams in the far past have pushed the rules too far, but in more recent years have been far too easily bullied, and naive. Those Cork and Mayo games are good examples.

Tyrone did push the limits while having huge success and that may have jaundiced our views, but I don't think it's all just imagination?
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This might sound like sarcasm, but it most certainly is not!

Dublin are a fantastic footballin team. I'm really impressed by their standards tbh man. They never feigned injury or sought a foul, they didnt need to because they're such a great team. There's a pure honesty about that group of players, if they can mix the ugly with the pretty - then they'll be be up there year after year for quite some time.

Its quite obvious that the Dubs are all about goals. I love that. If you work out in the natural grand scheme of things, the time it takes to put a 1pt score on the board then do that 3 times. Why not work hard to score a goal & conserve your energies to see out the game & get yourself in the comfort zone, so you've less pressure to make the right decisions to close it out..

Thats the Down brand of football during the 60's & they were a joy to watch. This Dublin team have that quality, but can they mix it with the ol'skool brand though?

We went through the 3 stages - "puke-football" / blanket defence, to a 3-man attack/defence (1 man with the ball & 2 options to off-load) to a total football brand of 14 forwards & 15 backs.

What i've seen of this present Tyrone team, is that Mickey is goin back to basics to buy some time, because each & every one of those 3 styles have either been replicated or bettered, so a different cycle is needed. We were hated, we gained respect & then we were applauded. Now were back to hate again.

To be honest, we've been there & done that, but we shouldnt give a shit about the anti-nordy crap eh?! Wrong! Tyrone is one of the founding member Counties of the Gaa. My club - Fr Rocks, Cookstown (Owen Roe's originally - bit like Newtonheath), was the first registered club in the County in 1889.

Tyrone didnt just suddenly turn up in 1986 to play Pat Spillane's Kerry at Croke Park in the All-Ireland Final to introduce ourselves to the Gaa family. We were there when it all started when the Gaa was formed in 1884!

Northern County Gaa people get the same abuse from many Southern Gaa people, as we get from the Unionist / Loyalist community. So what is it? Us Nordies dont pay Southern taxes so we're not Irish, therefore have no right to compete in All-Ireland games. And worse still - if we win, its an outsider taken glory away from the Country?!

Our Irish passport means a hellava lot more to us than it does to you's, because you were automatically born an Irish free-stater - we needed 70 odd years to have that right!
 
Anyone who thinks there's not an anti six county bias in the GAA is blind beyond belief or part of the problem. That's from the refs, the media and especially the fans.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
What i've seen of this present Tyrone team, is that Mickey is goin back to basics to buy some time, because each & every one of those 3 styles have either been replicated or bettered, so a different cycle is needed. We were hated, we gained respect & then we were applauded. Now were back to hate again.

To be honest, we've been there & done that, but we shouldnt give a shit about the anti-nordy crap eh?! Wrong! Tyrone is one of the founding member Counties of the Gaa. My club - Fr Rocks, Cookstown (Owen Roe's originally - bit like Newtonheath), was the first registered club in the County in 1889.

Tyrone didnt just suddenly turn up in 1986 to play Pat Spillane's Kerry at Croke Park in the All-Ireland Final to introduce ourselves to the Gaa family. We were there when it all started when the Gaa was formed in 1884!

Northern County Gaa people get the same abuse from many Southern Gaa people, as we get from the Unionist / Loyalist community. So what is it? Us Nordies dont pay Southern taxes so we're not Irish, therefore have no right to compete in All-Ireland games. And worse still - if we win, its an outsider taken glory away from the Country?!

Our Irish passport means a hellava lot more to us than it does to you's, because you were automatically born an Irish free-stater - we needed 70 odd years to have that right!
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I don't see what any of this has to do with what is being said. Ye just play the game in a way that annoys purists, enough with the race nonsense.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Anyone who thinks there's not an anti six county bias in the GAA is blind beyond belief or part of the problem. That's from the refs, the media and especially the fans.
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Do you really think this? I think you may be right about the media and fans, to a degree, but it stems from the tactics employed does it not? I have no recollection of this from previously, but I wouldn't claim to actually know, I just have no recollection.
 
moses said:
Do you really think this? I think you may be right about the media and fans, to a degree, but it stems from the tactics employed does it not? I have no recollection of this from previously, but I wouldn't claim to actually know, I just have no recollection.
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Expect the standard response along the lines of "people didn't start giving out about the tactics employed, they just started giving out when the nrorthern teams started winning - nobody cared about our negative football when we were losing" kind of thing.

Which is disingenuous really. If the Ulster teams were winning all Ireland's by playing free flowing football, scoring goals and kicking points for fun, nobody would have a bad word to say about them. But the majority of teams up north are hard to watch. It's a GAA equivalent of a successful Stoke - nothing wrong with what they're doing per se, it's just difficult to like what they're doing.
 
Gee Male said:
Expect the standard response along the lines of "people didn't start giving out about the tactics employed, they just started giving out when the nrorthern teams started winning - nobody cared about our negative football when we were losing" kind of thing.

Which is disingenuous really. If the Ulster teams were winning all Ireland's by playing free flowing football, scoring goals and kicking points for fun, nobody would have a bad word to say about them. But the majority of teams up north are hard to watch. It's a GAA equivalent of a successful Stoke - nothing wrong with what they're doing per se, it's just difficult to like what they're doing.
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I have to agree with you, but I'm genuinely interested in what the lads think.

And the tactics/winning bit might be true, but that doesn't prove discrimination, because really nobody cares if championship teams hoof the ball but we would all despair if the Prem top four were doing it.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
This might sound like sarcasm, but it most certainly is not!

Dublin are a fantastic footballin team. I'm really impressed by their standards tbh man. They never feigned injury or sought a foul, they didnt need to because they're such a great team. There's a pure honesty about that group of players, if they can mix the ugly with the pretty - then they'll be be up there year after year for quite some time.

Its quite obvious that the Dubs are all about goals. I love that. If you work out in the natural grand scheme of things, the time it takes to put a 1pt score on the board then do that 3 times. Why not work hard to score a goal & conserve your energies to see out the game & get yourself in the comfort zone, so you've less pressure to make the right decisions to close it out..

Thats the Down brand of football during the 60's & they were a joy to watch. This Dublin team have that quality, but can they mix it with the ol'skool brand though?

We went through the 3 stages - "puke-football" / blanket defence, to a 3-man attack/defence (1 man with the ball & 2 options to off-load) to a total football brand of 14 forwards & 15 backs.

What i've seen of this present Tyrone team, is that Mickey is goin back to basics to buy some time, because each & every one of those 3 styles have either been replicated or bettered, so a different cycle is needed. We were hated, we gained respect & then we were applauded. Now were back to hate again.

To be honest, we've been there & done that, but we shouldnt give a shit about the anti-nordy crap eh?! Wrong! Tyrone is one of the founding member Counties of the Gaa. My club - Fr Rocks, Cookstown (Owen Roe's originally - bit like Newtonheath), was the first registered club in the County in 1889.

Tyrone didnt just suddenly turn up in 1986 to play Pat Spillane's Kerry at Croke Park in the All-Ireland Final to introduce ourselves to the Gaa family. We were there when it all started when the Gaa was formed in 1884!

Northern County Gaa people get the same abuse from many Southern Gaa people, as we get from the Unionist / Loyalist community. So what is it? Us Nordies dont pay Southern taxes so we're not Irish, therefore have no right to compete in All-Ireland games. And worse still - if we win, its an outsider taken glory away from the Country?!

Our Irish passport means a hellava lot more to us than it does to you's, because you were automatically born an Irish free-stater - we needed 70 odd years to have that right!
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Before I go on to make my main point can I just reply to one thing. Your Irish passports mean more to you then us down south???? feck OFF. Maybe it's moronic comments and attitudes like that one that make so many genuine GAA supporters dislike the Tyrone crowd. Now. Onto my main point....the Irish media and their capability for nonsense.


Brolly is a deliberately controversialist media whore. Yes Tyrone are cynical, yes they run down the clock, yes Cavanagh was cynical yesterday. But Tyrone are far from the only team to play like this. Lets see how Kerry behave later.

The media have really pissed me off with their wild swings in attitudes to teams in recent years. For years we've had to endure Brolly lecturing us on TV about the superiority of Tyrone football. Now this years media villains are Tyrone, it has to be because of the love in they've had with Donegal all year.

In 2011 Donegal were beaten by 8 points to 6 by the Dubs in the worst display of cynicism I've ever seen in a championship match. We didn't here Brolly ranting then. In fact what we witnessed last year was cheer leading from Brolly about the 'evolution' from Jimmy McGuinness. It's been a Donegal love in ever since. So much so that Donegal won RTEs team of the year in 2012, a year in which our boxing team took a record haul of Olympic medals home. Donegal are Brolly's pet project now for whatever reason, maybe it's the fecking 'Jimmys winning matches' song that's got him so hooked.

His reaction to the Cavanagh incident was over the top. It's as simple as that. Personally I have no problem with Tyrone's style. In fact I was delighted for the the last time the won the All Ireland. I don't like the rolling around, feigning injury and way they run down the clock. But the fact that refs haven't ever penalised Tyrone or any other team for that type of thing just proves one thing.

Your supposed anti-North bias is a thing of fiction. Wise up my friend and realise that Ulster teams are the most successful province over the last ten years. How would that be possible if there was some Southern conspiracy? The only bias I ever see is from the mouths of those three 'experts' on TV.
 
moses said:
Do you really think this? I think you may be right about the media and fans, to a degree, but it stems from the tactics employed does it not? I have no recollection of this from previously, but I wouldn't claim to actually know, I just have no recollection.
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It's not just in the GAA, but pretty much everything. The amount of shite you get in this country for being a 'nordie' might surprise you. I remember when I first moved south in 99 to go to college getting shit in every retail and bar job I had along with abuse from guards singled out from my southern friends on several occasions just for being from the north.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
It's not just in the GAA, but pretty much everything. The amount of shite you get in this country for being a 'nordie' might surprise you. I remember when I first moved south in 99 to go to college getting shit in every retail and bar job I had along with abuse from guards singled out from my southern friends on several occasions just for being from the north.
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I'm sure you do get a bit of that, sadly. But surely you don't think there is an anti Ulster bias amongst refs like other posters are claiming?
 
How will ye fare today, lem8sh? That Cork match was quite peculiar it very much typical 2009-2013 Kerry. Capable of the sublime but then can be shocking for prolonged periods of the game. Ye are seven or eight points a better team than Cavan and you'll need to show it today if ye are to compete with Tyrone, Dublin and Mayo/Donegal.
 
Bets for today:

Kerry -5 against Cavan 10/11
Donaghy first goalscorer 8/1

Mayo minus 1 against Donegal 10/11
Alan Freeman first goalscorer 8/1
Keith Higgins man of the match 20/1

Serious Mayo bias, but feck it do I not care.
 
nahealai said:
Do these arguments raise their heads every year in these threads?

Good grief.
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Do they?
Rory 7 said:
I'm sure you do get a bit of that, sadly. But surely you don't think there is an anti Ulster bias amongst refs like other posters are claiming?
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It was me who said that and I fully believe it. Anyone who watched Tyrone in the championship for the past few years closely and wont say that they get shit from refs is either blind or happy enough with what's happening.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Do they?

It was me who said that and I fully believe it. Anyone who watched Tyrone in the championship for the past few years closely and wont say that they get shit from refs is either blind or happy enough with what's happening.
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Wow. I'll have to watch for that so. I honestly can't say I've seen that.
 
Who I fancy today (posted in another thread):

nahealai said:
Any good action today? I think Donegal @ 13/8 in the Gaelic Football offer serious value. Current All-Ireland champions and yet to hit top gear yet this year, they face a Mayo outfit yet to face a strong challenge. These sides faced-off in the All-Ireland Final last year and Donegal lorded it all over the field. Their attack, in particular, did serious damage and I'd worry for Mayo's defence considering London opened them up several times in the Connacht Final. Donegal have in Colm McFadden, Michael Murphy and Paddy McBrearty the most potent full-forward line in the business, too.

I cannot believe Donegal are available at 13/8 to be honest. They should be no more than an evens bet really. If you're even greedier, back them minus a few points in the handicap, or a wincast with one of McFadden, Murphy or McBrearty to score a goal and Donegal to win.

Donegal manager Jimmy McGuinness (who also works for Celtic FC) is a master at preparing his teams for the big occasion. They generally disregard the League campaign and aim to be at the peak of their powers come August and September. I think the bookies are pricing Donegal up on the animal that they saw in the League and June/July, and that's a fatal mistake I think. It will be a close game but I think it's crazy to price up Donegal so big. Hoping for a fascinating game, whatever happens.
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Looking forward to the action, whatever happens.
 
Rory 7 said:
Wow. I'll have to watch for that so. I honestly can't say I've seen that.
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If you have a spare 70 mins watch our game against donegal this year, or actually any of the last 3 years.

We're not saying we're saints, buy certainly not treated evenly for the same crimes.
 
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