Jaysus, that was a fairly sizeable can of worms I opened up! 
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Jaysus, that was a fairly sizeable can of worms I opened up!
It just winds me up when people lump all of Ulster in together and say the skills are not there. They clearly are, but the team that is dominating at the moment are shite to watch.
Way to go for missing the point.
My post was in response to yours which made a leading reference to the type of "system" Mayo and Dublin play, as if you we're suggesting it was a northern system. It is anything but, you can quite clearly see the difference by referencing the amount of scores given that you were the one focussing on a "system" - the two teams play a clearly more expansive style than anything up north.
Turning around and saying "we'll if the northern boys got to play against that shite" is rubbish - Donegal scored 12 points against Down at the weekend, Mayo scored 3-16 or whatever it was against them in the All Ireland quarter final last year. If you think the systems employed in both games are the same then you're way off.
Way to go you for missing the point.
I'm saying there is no northern system. There's individual counties that have a certain system.
Also, just because team A beat team B by a certain score and Team C beat them by a different score that Team A is x amount of points better than the other. I have said time and time again that I can't stand this Donegal side but you seem to enjoy missing that key point. That Donegal play shite football has as much bearing on the rest of Ulster than what May had on the Leitrim/ London game.
Maybe you should go and watch the Mayo game again though. They constantly funneled 12 men back as soon as they lost possession and conceded the midfield to Roscommon (just like Donegal do), The tried to keep Roscommon outside the 35 scoring zone around the posts (just like Donegal do), They broke with pace and power and played the ball up through the hands to the forwards (just like Donegal do). Roscommon had the majority of possession in the first half but couldn't ge through the Mayo defense. Mayo are however playing much better attacking wise this year so far and Donegal don't seem to have got going up front yet. But to ignore the similarities that are there is madness.
It's an age old anti Ulster (and in particular Anti6) agenda from within the GAA and it's so ingrained you don't even realise that you are doing it. It's the same shit almost every game we play against a southern team with heavily biased officiating, and an unfair amount of criticism in the media.
Spillane went to town on the Cavan Fermanagh game when I actually thought Cavan played OK. Then the Leitrim London game he sings the praises of a close game even though I've been told by people there that the game was pretty poor in terms of skills shown.
Just to clarify this is the point that I have a huge issue with. They are both more expansive than Donegal and that's it. The other counties y and large try to play football but don't have the talent that Mayo or Dublin have so it's a completely null argument.
Tyrone when dominating were hardly what you'd call an entertaining team to watch either to be fair.
What bates Banagher altogether is you have some gombeens down South who see the Northern game as the way forward and pack as many men behind the ball as they can. I've played on teams in the last couple of years where the manager picks backs in the forward positions, and will actually only pick three players in the forwards whom actually are forwards and are capable of scores. The full-forward line has three men who can kick a score, but from there back you've got men who are physical, have plenty of stamina, but couldn't kick the ball out of their way, let alone split the posts from over thirty yards. It's so frustrating and it's to the detriment of the game in my view.
The RTÉ commentators on Sunday were harping on about this being "the modern game and we should embrace it."
Jesus wept.
The RTÉ commentators on Sunday were harping on about this being "the modern game and we should embrace it."
Jesus wept.
Really? This is exactly the problem with the Anti-Northern sentiment, statements like that which are so wide of the mark. In 2003 when we played Kerry it was a very poor game entertainment wise, but then it was fascinating because it was new. It was only reasonably recently I watched that game on TV and I'll admit that all we set out to do was to stop Kerry. The final in 03 was a great game though. When we won in 2005 and 2008 we played superb attacking football all the way through and had wonderful flair players doing things that are still admired on the reel shows. Take Mulligan, Canavan, O'Neill in our forward line for example.
Are you trying to tell me that those three are not easily as entertaining as anything in the country as a unit in the last 20 years?
To be honest, I was a big fan of the 2003-09 Tyrone side, and they certainly were capable of mixing physicality with panache. Mulligan, Canavan and O'Neill - in their respective primes - would grace any county team in the land, probably from any decade, too. That's not what irks about the "modern" game, though.
It's the notion that in order for you to be competitive, you have to have twelve men behind the ball at all times. That you cannot have a "ball-kicker" around the midfield (Would any intercounty manager trust Ciarán McDonald to start against the current Donegal team, for example? The way they retreat around their full and half-back lines, he'd have no options inside for that gifted left leg of his). That you cannot win with six scoring forwards anymore. That you cannot make a ten-yard run without being pulled, dragged and wrestled, even if the ball is sixty yards away. That 19/20 attempted passes have to be ten-yard handpasses.
I've seen superior footballers, naturally gifted lads, left on the sideline because managers simply don't trust them to keep possession/win possession/stick to the mantra. Ciarán McDonald, to use one example, would not be trusted on the intercounty scene nowadays, and that's a shame. The prototype intercounty footballer has changed dramatically over the last number of years. You're now more likely to see an Alan O'Connor-type around midfield than a graceful Brian Sheehan, somebody who could gallop over the ground and kick stylish scores.
The spectacle of football is deteriorating rapidly, and some of the skills which made it such a wonderful game are disappearing at a faster rate.
It's the notion that in order for you to be competitive, you have to have twelve men behind the ball at all times. That you cannot have a "ball-kicker" around the midfield (Would any intercounty manager trust Ciarán McDonald to start against the current Donegal team, for example? The way they retreat around their full and half-back lines, he'd have no options inside for that gifted left leg of his). That you cannot win with six scoring forwards anymore. That you cannot make a ten-yard run without being pulled, dragged and wrestled, even if the ball is sixty yards away. That 19/20 attempted passes have to be ten-yard handpasses.
I've seen superior footballers, naturally gifted lads, left on the sideline because managers simply don't trust them to keep possession/win possession/stick to the mantra. Ciarán McDonald, to use one example, would not be trusted on the intercounty scene nowadays, and that's a shame. The prototype intercounty footballer has changed dramatically over the last number of years. You're now more likely to see an Alan O'Connor-type around midfield than a graceful Brian Sheehan, somebody who could gallop over the ground and kick stylish scores.
The spectacle of football is deteriorating rapidly, and some of the skills which made it such a wonderful game are disappearing at a faster rate.
Odd thing is that many clubs have adopted it to some success. If you have an average side but you build them up physically and get them bigger and stronger then you can out muscle some sides but the top footballing teams should be able to pick holes in you. I think reducing the number of consecutive hand passing may be the way to go or even a mark but not likely to happen.
I'd give you all that, but I'm just pissed that this shite notion that it's a northern issue only keeps prevailing.
For all the talk of rule changes curbing the hand pass I think the one rule change that should be made is pretty simple. Start at the league and make it a yellow card offense for any cynical (professional) fouls. Any dragging of a man on or off the ball should be an immediate yellow, do it twice and your off. No exceptions. If that rule was in place Donegal would end up with just Durcan on the field. A few games with a load of reds and teams will soon cut the shit out. Once that stops happening then you get a situation where players will have more confidence to move with the ball and attacks will have more men involved because less will have been blocked coming up the field.
Your bitterness towards Donegal is almost as bad as mine towards Kilkenny, man!
Your bitterness towards Donegal is almost as bad as mine towards Kilkenny, man!
I hate how in the past few years every bad thing Donegal do is blamed upon Ulster. Also they have beat us three years in a row pretty jammy each time!
I was all up for Donegal for a long time but I don't like McGuiness and I don't like this team. Jealous much??
Roll on Sat.!.... it may not be "eyecatching" or indeed pretty to the "outsider", . . . but probably the oldest GAA rivalary takes place, when my home County (Monaghan) take on Cavan in the Ulster SFC semi-final. Both these teams had contested Ulster finals against each other, when Charles Stewart Parnell was still alive!... They were rivals long before the Titanic was launched!
Unfortunately, to my dismay, I cannot get off work to attend, but I will be on my "stool " in my Local, to watch the big event on TV. A crowd of up to 30,000 is expected. The atmosphere for this particular game is always unreal, just sorry to miss it.
Com'n the FARNEY boys, DON'T let me down!
Unfortunately, to my dismay, I cannot get off work to attend, but I will be on my "stool " in my Local
, to watch the big event on TV. A crowd of up to 30,000 is expected. The atmosphere for this particular game is always unreal, just sorry to miss it.Com'n the FARNEY boys, DON'T let me down!
Roll on Sat.!.... it may not be "eyecatching" or indeed pretty to the "outsider", . . . but probably the oldest GAA rivalary takes place, when my home County (Monaghan) take on Cavan in the Ulster SFC semi-final. Both these teams had contested Ulster finals against each other, when Charles Stewart Parnell was still alive!... They were rivals long before the Titanic was launched!
Unfortunately, to my dismay, I cannot get off work to attend, but I will be on my "stool " in my Local
Com'n the FARNEY boys, DON'T let me down!
Monaghan have been on the cusp of it for a few years now and I was impressed with them in the league. Cavan have had a few good years at underage level and hopefully it will translate into a good, high quality contest. I think the championship needs it this year with a few one sided affairs or dour brawls so far.
Heavy jellies there. I have always admired 'hard' teams. Meath 80s/90s, Armagh 00s and now Donegal. I wouldn't bracket (parentheses?) Tyrone in with those teams as I have always considered them a footballing side, though able to mix it too.
The handpass needs to be regulated. A 1-2-3 rule or some such thing is needed. The GAA tried to rule out consecutive passes a few years back and the players complained that one-twos were no longer possible.
The GAA have shown the capacity to change, akthough slowly. The 'new' rule where a freekick is given to the team in possession is the equivalent to the backpass rule in soccer. A simple change but very effective.
The handpass needs to be regulated. A 1-2-3 rule or some such thing is needed. The GAA tried to rule out consecutive passes a few years back and the players complained that one-twos were no longer possible.
The GAA have shown the capacity to change, akthough slowly. The 'new' rule where a freekick is given to the team in possession is the equivalent to the backpass rule in soccer. A simple change but very effective.
Roll on Sat.!.... it may not be "eyecatching" or indeed pretty to the "outsider", . . . but probably the oldest GAA rivalary takes place, when my home County (Monaghan) take on Cavan in the Ulster SFC semi-final. Both these teams had contested Ulster finals against each other, when Charles Stewart Parnell was still alive!... They were rivals long before the Titanic was launched!
Unfortunately, to my dismay, I cannot get off work to attend, but I will be on my "stool " in my Local
Com'n the FARNEY boys, DON'T let me down!
I'm big up for Cavan with the missus being from there and I'll not be able to get up to the game because I'm on the rip in Galway on Friday and she's heading away early but I'm looking forward to a good game and I can see enough football being played to satisfy even the most hatery of Ulster haters. That said, with no team from the 6 Spillane will probably declare it a magnificent game.
How could I get from Offaly to Sligo on Saturday night with no car?
Call into Willie Lyons's pub in Banagher, ask for Kathleen and tell her your man from Galway that did a line with her young one for years said to give you the lone of the High Nelly!
You going to be around the city today? I'm on the lash all day so if you are drop in for a jar!!
Jaysus I'd love to but I'm heading out the door to do a bit of work now and it'll be 9 or 10 again I'm home. In the off chance you get well tanked and end up abroad in Gort some part of the evening or night (you might meet an aul' hag or something) give me a shout, mighty porter in Gort. Meself and moses are going to tear the hole off it altogether soon enough... straight into Linnane's ''two pints there Niall and feck two half ones into them well'' ''No bother TBP boi''
I'll have to take a trek down some time cos that sounds right up my street.Galway is some spot for the beer alright. Love making the trek to Salthill for matches, however seldom they may be.
Tyrone and Offaly was a tight-affair, I see.
Say nothing but I was chatting a lad above in the community center last night and according to him things are supposed to be rough enough within the Galway hurling camp at the moment, the Portumna and St. Thomas's lads aren't supposed to be talking at all, not even supposed to be passing the ball to one another in training he said. I hope it's not true or if it is that it'll be sorted out before the Leinster Final next week.
There was supposed to be holy murder when the two teams met in the club championship the week before the Laois match, the Thomas's lads were supposed to have given Canning an awful going over. Portumna the 06' 08' and 09' All-Ireland champions beat St. Thomas's the current All Ireland champions by a point. But feck me didn't Clarinbridge the 2011' All-Ireland champions turn around then and beat Portumna, but don't mind that if Turloghmore beat Ardrahan in the next round Gort the 2012 County champions won't even get out of the fecking group, shits getting real lads....there'll be someone fecking killed yet I'd say.
C'mon Galway.
There was supposed to be holy murder when the two teams met in the club championship the week before the Laois match, the Thomas's lads were supposed to have given Canning an awful going over. Portumna the 06' 08' and 09' All-Ireland champions beat St. Thomas's the current All Ireland champions by a point. But feck me didn't Clarinbridge the 2011' All-Ireland champions turn around then and beat Portumna, but don't mind that if Turloghmore beat Ardrahan in the next round Gort the 2012 County champions won't even get out of the fecking group, shits getting real lads....there'll be someone fecking killed yet I'd say.
C'mon Galway.
The hurling qualifier system is the single most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life. Carlow are in Phase I of the qualifiers having lost to Laois and received a bye. Offaly went out in the preliminaries having lost to Kilkenny and Waterford.
Wexford, Carlow, Waterford and Westmeath on one side, Dublin/Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Laois on the other side.
Dublin are beating Kilkenny right now but the reality is that they would've been better off losing to Wexford, Wexford have to beat Carlow and then (I think) Clare to reach a quarter, Dublin have to beat either Kilkenny or Tipperary.
Wexford, Carlow, Waterford and Westmeath on one side, Dublin/Kilkenny, Tipperary, Clare and Laois on the other side.
Dublin are beating Kilkenny right now but the reality is that they would've been better off losing to Wexford, Wexford have to beat Carlow and then (I think) Clare to reach a quarter, Dublin have to beat either Kilkenny or Tipperary.
Agreed, Feeky. It's a clusterfeck.
Typical Grab-All Association.
Typical Grab-All Association.
Galway 0-06 Tipperary 0-05 at half-time.
Not bad going for our lads.
Not bad going for our lads.
Latest..
Galway 1-09 Tipperary 0-06 (Football)
Dublin 1-13 Kilkenny 0-12 (Hurling)
Kilkenny the feckers are on the ropes
Galway 1-09 Tipperary 0-06 (Football)
Dublin 1-13 Kilkenny 0-12 (Hurling)
Kilkenny the feckers are on the ropes
Dublin 1-14 Kilkenny 0-15
C'mon Dublin!
C'mon Dublin!
The Cats are on the brink here...
Wow historic stuff. Delighted for them.
All over. The Dub's have defeated Kilkenny, feckin' hell! Fair play to them.
A Dublin v Galway Leinster final next weekend now.
And Tipperary v Kilkenny in the qualifiers, what a weekend of hurling to look forward too.
The Championship is blown wide open..
A Dublin v Galway Leinster final next weekend now.
And Tipperary v Kilkenny in the qualifiers, what a weekend of hurling to look forward too.
The Championship is blown wide open..
Kilkenny v Tipperary to get to the same stage as Wexford got to by losing to Dublin and beating Antrim and Westmeath.
feck me, but that Marty Duffy is a disgrace. How many more games will he be allowed to decide before the GAA realise how bad he is.
Decent start to the Welford meath game.
Another Ulster final for the Mons after disposing of our great rivals. 1st time our Snrs & Minors. will in final on same day.
C'ant help but believe that Portuma lost to C'bridge intentionally, as C'bridge could now put Thomas' out!