Fullbacks for the summer

Anybody been talking already (in this thread) about that Augsberg left back (Max)? Only noticed his stupid number of assists this season.

Don't watch them but I'd assume looking at his crosses per game metric, he's more than just a regular full back for them.

You'd think we could do worse given how good Lukaku can be with a decent cross in.
 
Minimalist said:
Anybody been talking already (in this thread) about that Augsberg left back (Max)? Only noticed his stupid number of assists this season.

Don't watch them but I'd assume looking at his crosses per game metric, he's more than just a regular full back for them.

You'd think we could do worse given how good Lukaku can be with a decent cross in.
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Do you scout for LVG? This must be the laziest post about scouting I’ve ever saw lol
 
golden_blunder said:
Sandro and munier

I’m not keen on the idea of Rose, don’t know if it’s attitude or injury holding him back at the moment

Quite like Cedric at Southampton too
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Think these two are probably the top targets we could realistically get. Would cost a hell of a lot (probably talking £50m each).

I don't rate Cedric or Rose, certainly not good enough to propel us to the next level.
 
Lawman said:
Do you scout for LVG? This must be the laziest post about scouting I’ve ever saw lol
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Any reason for being a prick?

Genuinely just wondering if he’s a good player or not as I don’t watch the league.
 
I watched the season review DVD of 2009/10 last night.....The season where Owen came in on loan, the 4-3 derby win etc...

The thing that really struck me was how quickly we moved the ball about, how our players were constantly moving and wanting the ball, and we looked so dangerous in attack.
Valencia was terrific taking on defenders, and our FBs were fantastic, surging up the wing delivering loads of assists and goal scoring opportunities.

It was a stark difference to nowadays, and you realize, that we get absolutely nothing contributed by our FBs anymore.
 
To be honest we need both a left-back and a right-back. From what I've seen, TFM isn't there yet. He works hard and is good at tackling but his positioning and attacking play are still lacking. I think he's also been booted from Palace's first 11 in favour of Wan-Bissaka. To me, that doesn't really scream first team material. As for Mitchell, I don't think he will ever make it at United. There's just nothing special about him IMHO. Also he's injured for the rest of the season. He's not an option right now.

I think signing a mobile left-back like Sessegnon or Tierney would benefit our play a lot more than say a stocky Alex Sandro. We could take a season to let them get used to the team and competition by rotating them with Young then let them take over afterwards. Don't see it happening though. I think Mourinho would prefer a seasoned player, in which case Sandro would definitely be an upgrade over Young and Shaw.

As for right-back, I like Thomas Meunier. He's tall (6'3?) which would suit Mourinho but he's still good on the ball and going forward. He also knows Lukaku from the Belgium national team which could help him integrate into the team and Lukaku would definitely benefit from Meunier's crossing.
 
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Minimalist said:
Any reason for being a prick?

Genuinely just wondering if he’s a good player or not as I don’t watch the league.
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Sorry wasn’t my intention I just thought it was funny but bit strong from you.
 
Camilo said:
Reckon we should really only be in for the best all-round complete players or outstanding attacking talents.. This guy is 17(?) and won't be starting every game.. Or for that matter, any games. Attack is one thing - there are 4 virtually interchangeable attacking positions, you can half carry a young talent - but there's only one left back position, and whilst there might be half a dozen games a season where you'd start a kid, generally he's not going to play. And why buy him to loan him out? Let the kid develop where ever that might be... It's better for everyone.
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Yeah fair enough. Would be a shame to see him do really well for a rival though.
 
A pair of good attacking fullbacks makes a team.

Sandro and Meunier please.
 
if we had a more senior Left back i would be looking at Chilwell from Leicester for the next few years, roughly 20/21 but always seems to get forward, pretty good at the back as well and good engine on him. would defo be more interested in him then Tierney or Rose, never seen a lot of Sandro but never thought he looked that great, could just have been having a off day.
 
Tbf evertytime i watched Jordan Lukaku he was very good. Not wc but no way he is"rubish". Most important he is only 23 and full backs can evolve a lot with training.
 
Ikon said:
I watched the season review DVD of 2009/10 last night.....The season where Owen came in on loan, the 4-3 derby win etc...

The thing that really struck me was how quickly we moved the ball about, how our players were constantly moving and wanting the ball, and we looked so dangerous in attack.
Valencia was terrific taking on defenders, and our FBs were fantastic, surging up the wing delivering loads of assists and goal scoring opportunities.

It was a stark difference to nowadays, and you realize, that we get absolutely nothing contributed by our FBs anymore.
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Yeah i go back and watch our old games frequently and it is a vast difference. We're a very limited team right now and a big part of it is our full backs. It's quite a common occurence that teams find themselves attacking down the wing and the difference between Walker and Valencia is massive. I'm glad Jose is at least pissed off with it, hopefully he'll correct the situation next season.

The right side is a disgrace no attacking presence or support from the fullback. At least with Youg we try.
 
Charles Miller said:
Tbf evertytime i watched Jordan Lukaku he was very good. Not wc but no way he is"rubish". Most important he is only 23 and full backs can evolve a lot with training.
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He’s no way better than what we have and I include our own youngsters in that. We should buy to improve not buy loads of average crap or projects like Liverpool used to do. Lukaku J is not good enough. Next
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s no way better than what we have and I include our own youngsters in that. We should buy to improve not buy loads of average crap or projects like Liverpool used to do. Lukaku J is not good enough. Next
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Not saying United should buy him, just that he is not "rubish". The youngsters are overhyped as usual. Next.
 
Smores said:
Yeah i go back and watch our old games frequently and it is a vast difference. We're a very limited team right now and a big part of it is our full backs. It's quite a common occurence that teams find themselves attacking down the wing and the difference between Walker and Valencia is massive. I'm glad Jose is at least pissed off with it, hopefully he'll correct the situation next season.

The right side is a disgrace no attacking presence or support from the fullback. At least with Youg we try.
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Your having a laugh with that last paragraph. The only player providing any decent support for Valencia is Lukaku. I think Mata spent more of the last game in the left half of the pitch. Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, Matic and Pogba all either operate on the left or favour drifting to that side. We have no presence down the right and only really attack down one side but that can’t all be put on Valencia.
 
Smores said:
Yeah i go back and watch our old games frequently and it is a vast difference. We're a very limited team right now and a big part of it is our full backs. It's quite a common occurence that teams find themselves attacking down the wing and the difference between Walker and Valencia is massive. I'm glad Jose is at least pissed off with it, hopefully he'll correct the situation next season.

The right side is a disgrace no attacking presence or support from the fullback. At least with Youg we try.
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Yeah Young is quite good going forward for a full back and I've little complain with his output.

Valencia is just infuriating to watch.
 
Valencia has been atrocious going forward for donkeys years. Leaves us totally one dimensional in attack and makes it impossible to maximise the space.

The left hand flank of any opponent know they do not have to fear a Valencia run even on the odd occasion he actually bothers to make one.
 
Valencia's main job is to shut down the right-wing. That means he's there to stop the opposition's left winger from getting into the game, even if it means he can't attack much himself.

It's really not unusual for a manager to set up in a lopsided way. Not that I personally like it, but the player doesn't deserve the criticism as much as LvG and Mourinho.

It's also about letting Mata get into central areas because he's the best we have at ball retention and creativity in advanced areas. Maybe a better central attacking midfielder and a new right forward will mean a change in tactics at right-back. But that's only hypothetical at this point. Replacing Valencia can only happen if we replace the two players nominally ahead of him first.
 
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sherrinford said:
Your having a laugh with that last paragraph. The only player providing any decent support for Valencia is Lukaku. I think Mata spent more of the last game in the left half of the pitch. Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, Matic and Pogba all either operate on the left or favour drifting to that side. We have no presence down the right and only really attack down one side but that can’t all be put on Valencia.
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Oh i wasn't putting all our right sided issues on Valencia alone that would be daft. He's a big part of it though and he's regressed probably due to fitness.

One of my issues is he doesn't even go for the early cross which he should be good at.
 
Smores said:
Oh i wasn't putting all our right sided issues on Valencia alone that would be daft. He's a big part of it though and he's regressed probably due to fitness.

One of my issues is he doesn't even go for the early cross which he should be good at.
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Fair enough. I think Valencia gets a bit of a hard time. A typical full back will tend to rely on support to function effectively - teammates down their side of the pitch to pass to and run off of, essentially. Until we actually provide him with a teammate in advance of him, who actually wants to play in that area and excels doing so, I think judgement of our right back should be reserved.
 
Why Kieran’s Tierney was not even in the squad yesterday for Scotland? José was there to watch McTominay play. I hope José could see Tierney. :(
 
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hobbers said:
Valencia has been atrocious going forward for donkeys years. Leaves us totally one dimensional in attack and makes it impossible to maximise the space.

The left hand flank of any opponent know they do not have to fear a Valencia run even on the odd occasion he actually bothers to make one.
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Young/Valencia are terrific containing full backs. Perfect for Mourinho. However, they're both pretty useless beyond the halfway line. Modern full backs get goals and assists. Young/Valencia are not good enough in the final third.
 
No f-ing about with this one, Sandro and Munier. Pay the €50m each and get it sorted.
 
I see Fabinho mentioned a lot but I think that his conversation is complete and definitive, I don't see him going back to fullback.
 
Reynoldo said:
No f-ing about with this one, Sandro and Munier. Pay the €50m each and get it sorted.
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That would be class and completely revolutionise our gameplay having two really threatening full backs, tbh I'd expect both of them will cost even more than that price tag!
 
Nickys Butt said:
That would be class and completely revolutionise our gameplay having two really threatening full backs, tbh I'd expect both of them will cost even more than that price tag!
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As long as it works for us, can strengthen us, price is not a problem.
We have spent so much these years, but nothing works. From Darmian 3 years ago, Shaw, Blind and Rojo 4 years ago. We still have not yet fixed the Full back problem and relying on Young and Valencia.
Right?
 
mufc_forever_fan said:
As long as it works for us, can strengthen us, price is not a problem.
We have spent so much these years, but nothing works. From Darmian 3 years ago, Shaw, Blind and Rojo 4 years ago. We still have not yet fixed the Full back problem and relying on Young and Valencia.
Right?
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Yep totally agree. The only issue would then be, are we also willing to spend a sizable chunk more to bolster other areas of the team like CB CDM CM RW. Not that we badly need a CB but a top class CB to partner Bailly would be immense. Unless Jose is going to trust more youth players next year then splashing out on full backs will not be enough of an improvement, though it would be a great boost that's for sure.
 
Get Rid of Shaw, Blind and Darmian

Buy Alex Sandro and Meunier, that way we have Alex Sandro/Young and Valencia/Meunier. Rojo and Fosu Mensah can also do a job there if needed, as well as Tuanzebe.
Young should not be playing at the club after next season so get someone like tierny or sessegnon as well and loan them out for next season
 
For all those saying Meunier and how he'd be good going forward, how many have actually watched him play regularly? I remember people on here told us Darmian was great before we signed him, seemingly based on one performance against England.
 
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