Doubt a new contract will be enough. They need the transfer fee too.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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He's not benched, he starts.
Not to be too pessimistic as there is obviously some truth to this, and he is potentially willing to join us I think he wants to see what else is on offer.
Weirdly I think Pogba holds a lot of cards in this situation based on where he choses to go. But back to FDJ I think City are interested but not deeply since it’s a big commitment they don’t need, Madrid is a no, Bayern is probably a no due to the wages, Liverpool is a no due to the wages, Chelsea seemingly aren’t linked and have midfielders
He’s left with us, PSG and Juve. PSG have the money and CL, did Juve end up getting CL? Either way PSG/Juve are the two big Pogba options too.
I think our best hope is Pogba choses PSG. And between us and Juve the ETH factor could come into play, he’s given assurances team will be built around him and that one year out of the CL will be worth it.
Or FDJ looks at the current options and agrees a negotiated contract with Barce like other players have, with some back dated pay.
They don't do the same role, so they are not competing against each other for the same position in a team.
Tbh if he doesn't want to come over to us, then why are we begging him.. I don't agree with the begging behaviour
What team will sign both Pogba and FDJ in one window? None.
It doesn't matter they aren't identical, Juve or PSG would only go for one of them and adjust their plans around that.
Who’s begging?
Sure, you seem to think he is coming. I very much doubt it, especially when he will have other suitors and doesn’t want to come to a crap club like ours at the moment. Your guess is as good as mine.
Normally I don’t think he would want to come to us as we are a club in transition and in deep mess.
However it’s all up to how ETH could convince him with our new project.
However it’s all up to how ETH could convince him with our new project.
What are his wages?
O think I read somewhere that it was like 375k, definitely upwards of 300k euros.
You know that De Jong played as no 6 in double pivot at Ajax right? Not as lone 6. I was trying to replica what ETH did with De Jong at Ajax playing in double pivot.
Here quote from ETH himself why FDJ doesn't play as ''lone'' no 6. I think you thought that he played in Busquets's role, technicall yes to dictate the tempo but there are differences, Busquets actually didn't leave his spot to go forward like FDJ at Ajax.
I think this discussion is happening because of some lack of understanding of FDJ role in 18/19. FDJ's role was more similar to Libero than Deeplying-playmaker. Deeplying playmaker don't leave their spot to go forward. Look at the pictures below of 3 different positions of FDJ when Ajax on the ball. Sometime, he was the deepest one, sometime he was on the same line as Schone (no 20) or sometime he dribbled the ball forward.
Everything I've said about the kind of player I feel De Jong is and how he is best utilised refers to him in a double pivot, as does anything I've said about how he played at Ajax. For example:
Playing with a holding midfielder (which I'm presuming Kamara is) is not replicating the Ajax set up and is not catering to De Jong's strengths.
I'm an optimist still, despite the previous years shitshow.
I don’t agree with making up something and proceeding to get angry about it, but each to their own
A lot players at Bayern get 300k Euro or more.
Lewandowski, Müller, Neuer, Coman, Sané, Hernandez, Kimmich, Goretzka....
Thus, I don't see that as a problem, if Bayern really wants the player.
Now if he wants like over 400k Euro it might become more difficult.
This is so funny to me, people knowing nothing about if any deals are happening, or what is being talked about between the parties, but decide we are begging a player to come here based on what, newspaper gossip, Twitter?
Well s surely hope that that won't be the case then.
A lot is stretching it. Lewandowski, Müller, Neuer, Sane and Kimmich are the only ones above 300, and the only one above 370 is Lewandowski.
Goretzka and Hernandez are only on 231.
Those poor bastards
No wonder they couldn't beat Stuttgart or Wolfsburg, where should they find the motivation to get out of bed
No wonder they couldn't beat Stuttgart or Wolfsburg, where should they find the motivation to get out of bed
When I work evenings, night and weekends I get paid extra. They should have that as well...
I know you're joking, but there were demands in that direction in German football 15-20 years ago. Those greedy bastards really wanted bonus payment for late working hours and working on weekends
How I see it, United want him. Barcelona are willing to let him go. De Jong actually doesn't want to leave, but feel pressured into leaving. De Jong actually doesn't want to go to United.
Great then...
Great then...
Graham Hunter is saying that physically he hasn't developed since he was 18, and he's having issues understanding Xavi's positional play principles, where he ends up chasing the ball when Xavi wants him to remain positionally disciplined. Hunter goes on to say that if a club offers around €50m, then Barca may bite. He even thinks that a potential buyer could wait it out and pick him up for cheaper if they stay patient until July due to Barca's need to sell.
Doubt that. Goretzka just signed a new contract until 2026 at 300k Euro. Coman is over 300k Euro too, with Gnabry having the same offer on the table.
Hernandez earns 14 million Euro plus bonus. He will be also above 300k Euro.
Graham Hunter, now that is a blast from the past (Thiago saga)
)Well and then you have the kind of Süle, Martial or Lingard who even don't feel ready to sit on the bench when not being nominated for the starting eleven.
These players have it really hard these days
These players have it really hard these days
Ok so explain why in ETH's quote he said that De Jong role is not ''lone'' no 6 as he leaves the middle of the pitch too often? Do you see what I'm saying? Because if De Jong leaves his spot or roam from his spot too often then he's not really a sitter or the holding one in double pivot but it's Schone the one played more the disciplined role.
Basically, De Jong played as no 6 in double pivot alongside another no 6 Schone. Except, De Jong is more a ''libero'', which he was given so much freedom to roam everywhere, while Schone played the disciplined role to hold his position more to accomodate De Jong's freedom to roam.
Wonder what he actually mean by that?
I get the impression that EtH, like Klopp and Conte, is really good at playing to their players strenghts. With Pep, and maybe Xavi, I sometimes feel that players to a bigger extent have to adjust to their style of football.
It means that Graham likes ‘em thicc.
It seems unlikely that he'll come here. He seems like the kind of signing Bayern would go for.
They can only have so many. Gravenbach is going there too. Laimer too?
Sounds a bit like another Pogba, a 6 that's needs an actual 6 next to him to do the defending...
There are no deals confirmed yet. Just talks and speculation.
If Lewandowski is leaving, Salihamdzic needs to present a big name. Neither Laimer nor Gravenberch are
Preferably attacker, hence the Mane interest
As his stats show, he doesn't really do much defending.
https://fbref.com/en/players/1bacc518/scout/365_euro/Frenkie-de-Jong-Scouting-Report
Your expectation is for journalists to uncover truth but a sports journalist job is to make people click online or buy papers. They just need headlines to do that
I think the Mane interest ist bullshit. He is 30 and won't be cheap, if he wants to move at all.
Nagelsmann was looking for 2 midfielders who are "pressing machines".
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