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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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I was hoping for a happy ending in Thailand, but it wasn't to be.
I especially remember FFS. He was a cnut
Probably because they thought in a worst case scenario such as the current situation, FDJ would have 100% leverage against Barca, so they didn't think Barca would be that stupid. They were wrong, Barca were that stupid and it would be better to have the clauses in place, yes, but FDJ is not in a weak position here. He has all the leverage. They cannot threaten him at all He's happy to stay and see out his contract. If he stays, their transfer plans get fecked. Players sit unregistered. Meanwhile FDJ gets his big fat pay check. And Barca cannot afford to pay all those wages just to bench him, cause the replacement players cannot play because they are unregistered. The stupidity is mostly on Barca's side.
What a summer that was, heck of a saga. Embarrassing really. And boring. Di Maria vibes and red flags everywhere. And he was short. Like really short.
My time has come!!!
This is one of the things people can't/won't (whatever) ever accept. Barca and Real can never go into bankruptcy or even be in real financial problems. It's all temporary. They will always find the way around. Those who hope FDJ will sign for us because Barca are in desperate situation are delusional.
In fact I expect them back on track very soon. They had one shitty season, maybe will have another one (which I also doubt if they sign Lewa and other players linked to them) but that's it.
I guess this has been asked and answered a few times already, so what’s one more time to ask this question-
If FdJ doesn’t agree to leave without getting his due pay, and with new players announced by Barca (Lewa being the most recent), Barca simply cannot play the new players. This is also the case if they decide not to register FdJ as some sort of punishment to him. Regardless of the levers they’ve pulled already, they need FdJ money. In that sense, selling FdJ is also one of their levers. Is this correct?
If FdJ doesn’t agree to leave without getting his due pay, and with new players announced by Barca (Lewa being the most recent), Barca simply cannot play the new players. This is also the case if they decide not to register FdJ as some sort of punishment to him. Regardless of the levers they’ve pulled already, they need FdJ money. In that sense, selling FdJ is also one of their levers. Is this correct?
I think we & FDJ are doing the right thing playing the long game. My only worry is if City (or Chelsea or PSG) decide they want him, then we’re screwed.
but surely ETH factor is big. And surely he’ll know from the horses mouth what he wants
Also if you give your word to someone you respected that you’d join him. So he waited 2-3 months waiting for you. Surely you reward that loyalty and don’t feck off elsewhere in the last minute
I actually think this is going to happen and believe he wants to come.
Barcelona owe him millions (I think I read 17m). Why would he just walk away without fighting for what’s in his contract. He knows a fee is sorted. Give him his money and he will walk.
Barcelona owe him millions (I think I read 17m). Why would he just walk away without fighting for what’s in his contract. He knows a fee is sorted. Give him his money and he will walk.
Can see this happening eventually, all the reports coming out saying he doesn’t want to join us is BS. Why would he or his agent publicly express they want to join us when there owed money of Barca. There standing strong and saying there going nowhere until they get what there owed. Can Barca register players or do they need players to leave first?
If Barcelona are desperately trying to force Frenkie to leave, why would they let him travel with the squad/name him for the tour?
Because Laporta is desperately trying to save face and Xavi wants to keep him
Because their official line is that they want him to stay. Sending him on the tour fits with that narrative.
On his part he also needs to play the "I stay" card, and so he can't refuse to go on tour.
Think of it like a married couple playing happy families for the sake of the kids while secretly dreaming of a divorce
Sorry, but the only ones who have been stupid here where FdJ and his agent.
I'm not a lawyer but even I would have insisted on clause addressing the (not so unlikely) case of leaving Barcelona before the contract runs out.
It's a bad negligence of FdJ legal team.
tbf to De Jong, he probably accepted the new contract in good faith, and didn't expect Barcelona hierarchy will try to force his transfer or ask him to reduce his wages again.
As of now, he is in the driving seat, he has a contract until 2026, with a huge salary, he is registered in La Liga, and Barca can't force him to leave or accept a wage reduction, all De Jong has to do is say "I'm staying" Bogarde style, Barca will be the ones in a weaker position as of now.
It still doesn't totally add up.
If Barca are so reliant on FdJ leaving, then why stick with that as an official line? How does that help the situation?
There are loads of other players they've left off the tour, and if it's as bad as has been suggested in this thread for Barca, then Xavi's wants would be irrelevant.
I think they saw FdJ as an easy fix for their financial woes given his status. But the reality is moving him on has proven hard due to lack of options/FdJ's desire to remain.
Given how levers have rescued Barca this window so far, I expect there'll be further creative solutions which means they don't need to sell/can register players to come.
Can't argue with this at all. As soon as he signed a new contract with new terms, his old contract became feck all.
I refuse to believe they haven't. It's just a question how to enforce it now I'd imagine. They probably want it settled without having to take it to court.
I'm also suspicious that they will find a way to get around the issue but no matter how much money they raise, they still have a pretty severe wage cap issue that is imposed by La Liga and they can't really get around unless they sell players on big wages of they manage to get a bunch if players to lower their salaries. If they don't manage to do that Kessie, Christensen, Alonso, Azpilecuza and Lewandovski won't be able to be registered and play any part in the domestic season.
For me that's their biggest hurdle and I can't see any of the players taking a bigger pay cut, Pique and the rest of the Barca old guard are already working for nothing at the moment.
Laporta is doing his absolute best to talk down the situation as if Barcelona are fine, their fans will not tolerate them selling their best players because they can't afford the wages. Can you imagine if we had to sell Bruno, Sancho or Varane because we couldn't afford to pay our current lot? Full blown meltdown. Hence the reason they're trying to make it look like he's the want-away and causing problems when he should really be taking one for the team and reducing his wages like the rest of the 'top Barca' lads.
Also, they're in the US for the tour right? If you're not double vaxxed you're not getting in, and visa's are a pain in the arse to sort. Lot's of people have been turned down this summer, players and otherwise. If I were De Jong, I'd be on that tour if someone owed me €18m and Barcelona need to take their biggest and best players on the tour to make the marketing exercise worthwhile.
I'm getting nervous fellow maupetiers 
I suppose based on what you posted he will either stay with severely reduced terms, or leave. Surely you move onto someone that wants you whilst retaining your pay?
You would think so right? Reports are now that he's in constant contact with Ten Hag which suggests Ten Hag is aware of the situation and if he felt the player didn't want to come he would just tell the board to move onto the next target instead of setting himself up for a massive fall this season. Everything suggests he's ready to leave once the owed money is sorted.
Because leaving him without a valid reason against the player's will will amount to harassment. Barca treading cautiously is tomorrw this goes to court.
This thread is comfortably making 1000 pages before he signs.
Did anyone read that Jamie Jackson article where he said this has Di Maria vibes?
Yep! Hope you're right, it's a complex situation of barcas doing. I do think we still get him barca have signed so many players and 70 million pound will alleviate so much.
I don't blame the player here. FdJ loves the club and didn't have any intention to leave.
That's were his management needs to intervene and ensure the new contract protects FdJ interests in any possible scenario.
Yeah they've caused this issue by paying massive wages over the years they couldn't afford, now it's coming home. I think we sign him at some point but it will be probably after the season has started and they bench him to force the issue. They need over €500m this season to be 'fine' and it looks like they're going to raise that through selling their rights, but again, that still doesn't resolve the wage cap problem and registering new players.
I understand what you mean, but FDJ won't lose from this position. He literally has nothing to lose. That's my point. From their perspective, they hold all the cards. Barca needs to either pay up or Barca are screwed.
Jamie Jackson knows nothing. He literally said Eriksen had chosen Brentford for the news to break that Eriksen chose United only 2 weeks later.
Have been said and could be said 1000 times more. Step away from this circus.
What you argue here is perfectly plausible also.
If you see it from the financial side only, you are right. He can stay put and collect his contractual wages.
However, being at a club who doesn't want you and wants you out ASAP, isn't a good and nice working environment. He is reaching his prime years as a footballer and needs to play regularly. Being a fringe player or even outcast will hamper his further development significantly.
I only see a lose lose situation here..
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