Yeah I know, but I just read that we were trying to negotiate a lower fee with them as we're willing to cover his wages to get this done. So I think the figure stays near enough the same but the structure changes.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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I believe the length of this Frenzygate thread has passed the sneijderfest one.
Isn’t part of an agent’s job to check their clients’ contracts, and any variations to the terms of the contract that the club might want to impose on the player?
The whole point of a contract it that it sets out what to do in the event that the relationship between the parties goes tits up. That this one apparently doesn’t protect Frenkie’s arrears in the event that he leaves, even if he is being forced out by the club (a “good leaver” in corporate parlance) suggests that it’s a rotten contract from his point of view. That’s the fault of his legal representative, who I imagine has been paid handsomely to agree the terms of it.
I'm reposting this as it could be relevant to the discussions, Telegraph mentionned that there is a loyalty bonus issue ON TOP of the deferred payment issue. Meaning FdJ was supposed to get 18 in wages + 9,7M in loyalty bonus.
https://www.besoccer.com/new/de-jong-s-deferred-salary-delays-his-move-to-united-1159147
It's not either/or, it's both.
https://www.besoccer.com/new/de-jong-s-deferred-salary-delays-his-move-to-united-1159147
It's not either/or, it's both.
FfsFFS... this is just like that time we tried to sign Frenkie de Jong from Barcelona.
Yeah, I agreed with you. None of the players who agreed to these arrangements should have done so, I suppose. I don’t know what would have happened to the club in that eventuality.
As with any contract, the devil is in the detail and the players rely on their advisors to get that right.
The point remains that he can’t be forced to leave and if he stays he should get his money eventually.
it’s galling Barca are splashing the cash on other players yet don’t want to fulfill their contractual obligations to their current players. Joke of a club.
I’m absolutely convinced he wants out and playing the long game to get his money.. don’t blame him at all and I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
Well Xavi isn’t going to see him on the USA tour, he has been denied access
Sometime about having visited Iran 3 times in the past.
You would think that would have been taken into account when planning a 4 match visit.
Sometime about having visited Iran 3 times in the past.
You would think that would have been taken into account when planning a 4 match visit.
I still remain hopeful that we’ll get this done by the end of the window. When Timber changed his mind we moved on immediately, so I can’t see why ten Hag wouldn’t want us to do the same here… unless he has private assurances from Frenkie that he wants to come.
In addition to the money owed to Frenkie, its been said that his agents are also owed deferred fees from Barcelona which probably isn’t helping things. As an agency their reputations will take a hit if they don’t get Frenkie all of his money. They look very naive at this point for allowing him to restructure his wage payments without fully understanding the implications.
Let’s not forget, he would have been on a fairly low salary at Ajax and only received one season of full pay at Barcelona. For such a big client to lose £17m on his first big contract because of the agents negligence is embarrassing for them. Hence, I think even if Barca are offering a compromise, the agents will be digging their heels in to save face, making the whole thing take longer.
In addition to the money owed to Frenkie, its been said that his agents are also owed deferred fees from Barcelona which probably isn’t helping things. As an agency their reputations will take a hit if they don’t get Frenkie all of his money. They look very naive at this point for allowing him to restructure his wage payments without fully understanding the implications.
Let’s not forget, he would have been on a fairly low salary at Ajax and only received one season of full pay at Barcelona. For such a big client to lose £17m on his first big contract because of the agents negligence is embarrassing for them. Hence, I think even if Barca are offering a compromise, the agents will be digging their heels in to save face, making the whole thing take longer.
That's actually terrible, I mean he was coaching in Asia.
Christ, while he's jumping off boats swimming in the sea, we're all here speculating what he is or isn't owed in deferred salary and or loyalty bonuses. Kind of sums up these people are paid far too much, worth too much and feck around to much.
But it is what it is...
How Barcelona are operating right now is an absolute farce. Governing bodies should deduct 20 points just for being so financially inept. Another 20 for breaching contracts. And sent to the abyss, just because.
But it is what it is...
How Barcelona are operating right now is an absolute farce. Governing bodies should deduct 20 points just for being so financially inept. Another 20 for breaching contracts. And sent to the abyss, just because.
Source? Haven't seen this anywhere.
Edit: ah you mean Xavi has been denied entry. Nevermind.
Ah ok I thought your last sentence was meant to be sarcastic
This is where collective bargaining comes in. The players could even have been really nice about it: “Of course we trust you, Mr Bartomeu, but there are presidential elections coming up and you might get ousted by some absolute cnut. We only want to protect ourselves from that eventuality.”
It's easy for De Jong to put the ball back in Barca's court in that he just decides to stay and thus triggering a huge amount of wages and bonuses and the club miss out on a transfer fee. While Barcelona are possibly not obligated to pay him anything up to this point if the reports from last week are true about the newer contract, there will have to be some kind of settlement if Barca want him to move so they will have to pay either way unless United get suckered in. All hinges on how much Barca need the liquidity, how much wiggle room they have and can they easily forget other potential signings as they have a decent squad already and can reliably get CL qualification and they still earn high revenue. United to their peril could find out Barca are keen to sell but not totally desperate and then Barca ride out another year with De Jong
I'd love for United to hold firm, we've paid silly amounts for too long but the one time in 9 years we get a decent manager and target an important player might not be the best time. All three parties are best getting together and to sort out the wages so we don't let this game of bluff go past the deadline for the sake of possibly United and Barca paying a bit more. We'd be spending 90% of this fee on some last minute poorer signing.
I'd love for United to hold firm, we've paid silly amounts for too long but the one time in 9 years we get a decent manager and target an important player might not be the best time. All three parties are best getting together and to sort out the wages so we don't let this game of bluff go past the deadline for the sake of possibly United and Barca paying a bit more. We'd be spending 90% of this fee on some last minute poorer signing.
Xavi's coming on Monday..
Definitely 1000+ pages on this. Maybe even new transfer page record.
I can't believe the Ayatollah of Tiki-taka thought he could just waltz into the US. Hopefully Gitmo has a prison team for him to manage.
Can you imagine the meltdown if our manager was stopped by US immigration
I'm glad someone else finds this as amusing as I do.
I can't believe the Ayatollah of Tiki-taka thought he could just waltz into the US. Hopefully Gitmo has a prison team for him to manage.
I'm glad someone else finds this as amusing as I do.
It's always midfielders.
Sneijder
Thiago
Vidal
Frenkie
ffs.
Sneijder
Thiago
Vidal
Frenkie
ffs.
joke of a club. embarrassing. Sack ETH sell Bruno
Are you saying he’s got a large booty? I’m still a bit lost in the point
This is the first time I see that a fee is agreed but there are still so many obstacles to overcome.
Why agree the fee in the first place? There are too many unknowns and politic in this deal.
We have been very sensible and reasonable right from the start. Barca need to sell and we didn't low ball them. We offered reasonable fees and have been waiting patiently. All this while Laporta was fecking around.
It's time to move on to our plan b.
Why agree the fee in the first place? There are too many unknowns and politic in this deal.
We have been very sensible and reasonable right from the start. Barca need to sell and we didn't low ball them. We offered reasonable fees and have been waiting patiently. All this while Laporta was fecking around.
It's time to move on to our plan b.
Be nice to hear that narrative of De Jong and his agent keeping quiet in order to get his money coming from Ducker, Luckhurst, Whitwell. I would then maybe have a bit more positivity on this one
20 something pages since i posted the tour list, not one negative update from Stone/Ducker/Hirst etc. Not one update about back up midfielders being explored. Not one update from Romero or Romano that the deal is dead and we've walked away....it's almost as if transfers are not impacted by the pearl clutching rantings of a social media forum.
I don’t think journos of that tier would risk relationships with the agent and club to report that. They have to play along.
Come on, this is never happening now, isn’t it? I’ve never heard of a transfer not happening because a player hasn’t been paid, but I can totally see that being the case for United because I’m sure Barcelona is not paying the player.
Don't think there's been many pandemics during football seasons before, its bizarre though.
You’re taking this far too seriously.
Why the hell would Romano share his info with Goldbridge instead of saying it himself?
He will be ours next week. I can feel it.
We need to pay Barcelona first, this takes 2-3 working days. Barcelona then will use some of the money to pay what they owed to FDJ, this takes 2-3 working days. He will be ours next week.
We need to pay Barcelona first, this takes 2-3 working days. Barcelona then will use some of the money to pay what they owed to FDJ, this takes 2-3 working days. He will be ours next week.
You don't walk off the moment you find some obstacles do you? You need to work the negotiation.
Nuances. Chess and not checkers.
Murtough/Arnold are trying to nudge the negotiation in a certain direction; eliminating some of the possibilities, and pressuring them to speed up solving the bottleneck between Barca and Frenkie's party.
Now there is more clarity -- if the negotiations fails its because Barca and Frenkie cant come to an agreement. Then they will know what United's next steps will be. Its a smart, logical move.
fecking 2022 all over again. Sick of this shit
No, his dad does. That’s why we are walking away.
Don't understand why people complaining. We were overpaying for so many years.... What should we do? Simply give them tens of millions extra?
You answered your own question there.
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