Might have been the case if it wasn't for ten Hag. Very much doubt De Jong will play ten Hag. There must be a reason we are still on this.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Well I looks like they’re a fecking problem as we stand right now
Well I looks like they’re a fecking problem as we stand right now
They really are though from what ive seen. Everyone who has reported it have linked back to Sport. It's always "according to reports in Sport, a Spanish publication" etc.
People like Romero, Romano etc have said he wants to stay, but have NEVER said he won't join United.
If you want to know how unreliable Sport are, they tweeted twice in a few hours, or 24 hours one says "de Jong prefers to join Chelsea over United and will push to make it happen" then put "de Jong absolutely does not want to join Chelsea, his priority is Manchester United" now it's "He has no intention of joining Manchester United but isn't against leaving"
If that doesn't tell you what you need to know... i don't know what does. They caught wind of the Chelsea interest, de Jong wanted Chelsea over United. Chelsea interest dried up or was proven false "he had no intention of joining Chelsea and wants United" They're a mess
Pretty sure it was reported a few days ago that we did set a deadline and that it was today.
Although if we do make the decision to move on from signing him it'll be briefed and we'll find out conclusively in a wave of news coming from multiple outlets.
Why are people making out that him going on tour means the deals off? 
WE LITERALLY AGREED A FEE WITH THEM THIS WEEK
WE LITERALLY AGREED A FEE WITH THEM THIS WEEK
Who gives a feck about Barca. We get what we want. Feck them.
I for one will be happy that this will be over. FDJ is a good player but feck me he's not prime Zidane for all this headache.
So Frenkie goes to Hollywood then?
Indeed, but lets see what happens when he tries to do so.
Barca will do everything the LEGALLY can to make his time there hell so he either leaves in January, or puts in a transfer request at the earliest opportunity.
Their transfer plans hinge on him leaving from what i gather
Saw your user name and knew the post would be dross. Unfortunate waste of bandwidth.
The tour finishes a few days before the league starts, if we can’t get the deal done by that point then we’re in trouble.
So late in the summer as well I really hope we have alternative players.
My point was general, Sport are a Barcelona mouthpiece which is a good reason to read the nonsense they write. Now it doesn't mean that they are only used by Barcelona, I remember at least one occasion where they reported a hit piece against a player and later an article that put the club in a bad light. Sport are a good window into Barcelona's circus, now it's not a good idea to believe what they write.
Regarding De Jong it's possible that on one hand they share Barcelona's narrative and on the other hand Dursun's own narrative and the article that you are referring to seems to show that. None of it actually makes sense if it comes from a single angle but it clearly doesn't.
Barcelona and De Jong are playing a game of chicken.
Not true. He extended his contract when deferring the salary and the money he deferred was added to the remaining 4 years on his deal. Barca are taking the stance that if he leaves they owe him nothing as his contract has not been fulfilled. Legally they are correct but morally they are very much in the wrong as they know that they are not honoring the spirit of the agreement. Laporta would probably shoot his own children for the price of a big mac though so what do you expect.
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Assuming it's because of the first Sancho pursuit, whereby him going on the tour with Dortmund effectively spelled the end of our chances of signing him in the Summer of 2020. Thing is, we were explicitly told by Dortmund that if Sancho went on the tour with them they would not be selling him. Barca have given us no such ultimatum with De Jong (at least not publicly), and in fact seem highly keen to sell him.Why are people making out that him going on tour means the deals off?
WE LITERALLY AGREED A FEE WITH THEM THIS WEEK
But maybe the holdup is because you want us to pay it?
There’s a gif with Frenkie walking through the door to Erik having got off the plane a la Ross and Rachel waiting to be made here.
I don't like this a bit, but the desperate need that we are in... pay whatever it takes and get the guy. He is worth it.
Yes but again, if he goes on tour he is not stuck there for the duration. Commercial flights do exist you know.
Yeah I know, I'll be happy when this is finally over the line but my point still stands.
Why are people making out that him going on tour means the deals off?
WE LITERALLY AGREED A FEE WITH THEM THIS WEEK
So why is he going on tour then? they won’t want to risk a 70m sale and if he’s going looks like they have zero intention of paying him the money owed.
We simply can’t risk this deal any longer, we need to move on.
Problem is even if we do have alternatives, which sane club would let go of one of their key midfielders a week before the season starts. This needs to be sorted asap if not we'll be getting charged 90 million for Neves.
Who is saying that? It doesn't mean a deal is off but what it definitely means is that it's not as close as some people suggest here. Deal will still most likely happen but I think it's fairly obvious at this point that FdJ's wish is to stay and we are his fallback option if he is forced to leave.Why are people making out that him going on tour means the deals off?
WE LITERALLY AGREED A FEE WITH THEM THIS WEEK
That i can clearly see.
These deferred wages are a big big problem, and unfortunately, if United truly want him, i see them paying his deferred wages to get this done. I think the board will do all they can to get ten Hag his priority players, even if it means being reckless on their side, which this clearly would be.
Makes no sense for de Jongs agents to leak such stuff though either, as puts United in a bad light and as has been said, if he does join, people will definitely think he had no intention and was forced against his will, so won't give it his all etc. Unless United are being kept in the loop about what his agents are saying and the reasons behind why it's being said? I just don't understand.
From what I have read, it more a case of him not wanting to leave Barca (but reluctantly accepting that he might have to) rather than personally having anything against United.
I'm sure we'll have been given some encouragement from player/agent that he's at least willing to join us if Barca accept an offer and pay him off for the deferred wages. United aren't a particularly attractive prospect for top players anymore, but De Jong is a special case because he played the best football of his career under Ten Hag. If City or Bayern or PSG etc suddenly throw their hats in the ring, we might be in trouble, but at the moment, it looks like we are the only game in town for him if Barca force him out.
It definitely appears to just be United interested at the moment. I'm sure Barca have done what they can to attract interest from elsewhere, but they look to have failed (so far...) and have now seemingly accepted United's offer.
They want to sell Memphis and unless I missed something he is supposed to also go on tour. Clubs rarely leave players out of tour because they may be sold in the following month.
It does not. They can sign players anhow
Yup i agree there.
I can definitely see that they're tried everything to get other clubs interested, and i think Chelsea were for a very short time, but they just didn't think it was worth it, or was told by his agent that he wasn't interested? I don't know, none of us do to be fair. Theres much more going on behind the scenes that we know about, and the media are playing out the story that both Barca and de Jong want us to see.
Because no one else is crazy enough to pay that much
I mean we’ve agreed a fee why the feck would he be going on tour. We’ve been patient to this point but this is the time where we force their hand. If he gets on the plane we should walk.
Makes zero sense to take him, what are they getting out of taking him to the US if they want him sold?
Yes they can, but they can't register them with La Liga... so they'd have all these new players that can't play in the League
I'm starting to believe that he was a Liverpool fan as a kid and hates us just like Haaland despise United.
You dont take a player after a bids been accepted, i‘ve never seen that one.
That’s actually very unclear due to the terms of his new contract.
Not yet. They can sell some other players and with their levers, the cap can be adjusted, i.e. increased
It does makes sense for the agent, he wants to force Barcelona's hands. The agent is allowed to say one thing to United in private and claim something else in public in order to push Barcelona into a corner. And I don't think that United, De Jong or his agent give a damn about what people will imagine, they care about getting their money while the club cares about getting the player.
Did John de Jong (Frenkies dad) have any form of contact with Roy Keane in the past?
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