Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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We can't sign every young players we played against and also not every young players is convinced that ManUtd is the right club for their development.
He's got almost a full moon though...
We need to pick these sort of players up before they get to a Juventus/Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern type team really. Otherwise you're just ensuring a sky high fee and wages and always the slight worry why they're off.
We have 200 million deficit. We just sold Coutinho for 20 so still 180 to go.
FDJ probably won’t choose us if we have competition from city, only way he chooses us is if we’re the only ones interested and he’s desperate for a move. Obviously we’re a bigger club but we’re also a bigger mess. We’ve ruined players careers. We’ll always recover? We’ve not won a trophy since what 2017? Been recovering for a long time… I am optimistic though and think things will start to improve under ten Hag.
They have a manager who is known for winning trophies, that automatically puts them in front of us. They’ll probably most likely challenge for top 4 each year aswell with conte being there and him actually having a transfer window to improve his team.
Don’t see why he wouldn’t be.. especially if they get top 4. Only way I see him leaving is if they don’t sign him who he wants in the summer.
Where does that number come from?
So Levy being Levy?
Known for winning trophies ? What's his record in cup competitions ? He isn't getting the league next year.
Let's stop this glorification of our rivals who aren't City or Pool. Everyone else is equally shit.
We have a head coach who has 3 league titles (likely would have been 4 were season not cancelled) and 2 domestic cups (3 but for same reasons) to go along with a litany impressive performances in Europe in the last 4 seasons to his name.
It ain't like Conte is that much better a prospect to play for than ten Hag and we have the added bonus of Dr Jong having played in the ten Hag system which allowed him to play his best football.
Yes they could finish 4th and still win the EL next year.
By finishing 3rd in their CL group in case you are still lost
These days, players who want to win trophies is either joining the club that already been established to win trophies or players who is buying into the project. The only way for player can buying into the project if there is someone that he can trust and believes to be successful and one of these ''someone'' is the manager. FDJ won't choose us if he doesn't rate ETH. If he rates ETH then he will buy into our project that is managed by a manager who was able to get the best out of him and can guarantee the player an important role in the project ETH is building. The player wouldn't just come to Pep if Pep told him that you will be playing as no 8 and involved more in the box, the player would think, that would be the same situation that I'm having at Barcelona, playing in a position that doesn't get the best out of me, he would think that the role ETH offers would makes him feels more comfortable. If he doesn't rate ETH then he has no reason to play in a role that ETH offers and no reason to believe in the project.
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Like I said needs to be focal point of midfield, would then need to find someone capable of doing the dirty work in that area
Aah,fair enough.Yes they could finish 4th and still win the EL next year.
By finishing 3rd in their CL group in case you are still lost
Correct and he was really promising
he’s not really and is better going forward, I think even Xavi himself said something like why would you shackle him with the responsibility of a DM. You’d lose so much of what he is.
City have ruined plenty of careers too. He simply won't play much at city
But Xavi himself shackles him in a way and goes against his natural game of dropping deep, telling him to wait and receive the ball from Busquets in midfield. His best position is still as a DM on paper, but someone with freedom to push forward, rather than a CM, as you will also lose out on his other exceptional abilities of receiving the ball from the CBs and spreading it out/gliding through under pressure.
So basically better as a box to box player with someone around ie a DM doing the hard work for him.
Just leave it, so many people think that playing near the usual 6 position makes him a DM or call him a 6. But haven't actually seen him play much or are just unaware what a 6 or an 8 or a 10 are.
I’m seeing that in action. Ideally what I’ve seen he is probably best in a 4231 sitting with a DM allowing him to come deep and create if he wants as well as get forward doing what he is best at.
I think many just picture his acquisition as a shift to a 433 and him sitting as the single pivot anchoring the midfield. Which I don’t think will get the best out of him.
No, he is a deep lying playmaker and no he isn't better when getting forward, he is better when he can control the flow of the game from a relatively deep position and adequate but unnatural when asked to move into the final third.
'So basically better as a box to box player with someone around ie a DM doing the hard work for him.'
Totally not true. At Ajax he was the link between defence and attack often taking the ball directly from the keeper. He even played Centre half a few times. He is the ideal DM who can quickly turn defence into attack
Totally not true. At Ajax he was the link between defence and attack often taking the ball directly from the keeper. He even played Centre half a few times. He is the ideal DM who can quickly turn defence into attack
A player that can help our transition from defence to attack. Don't think we've had this in a long while to be honest.
The “box to box” comment was sarcasm responding to a post given the description they gave was as a box to box player.
If you read further comments you will see how I view him which is sort of similar to CarRick with lesser passing ability but superior ball carrying ability. But he’s still not someone I would trust to hold a midfield together hence why I’d say he is better with a more defensive midfielder which people seem to be disagreeing with as to me he DeJong is not a DM.
More so what MyOnlySolskjaer just said, Someone to help our transitions from defence to attack.
Not necessarily with a more defensive player but simply not alone. His partners at Ajax weren't defensive juggernauts and again he is the one that was used as a CB.
My bad, read it wrong.
Think you’ve just answered your own question!
All aboard?
Nah still not believing this.
will wait until he’s sat next to Erik signing the contract.
will wait until he’s sat next to Erik signing the contract.
Even then it would be too early to believe. Just wait until December when the Caf is filled with threads about how he's underperforming because he clearly didn't want to come here, or how he should've never been signed because he didn't fit our setup.
No fun in that, you have got to tickle your inner muppet at least a bit!
I want this so badly to be true its hard not getting invested in it.
I'm aboard. Like I said before, Barca clearly want to sell and it's pretty obvious that ETH would be interested in signing him. The fit is there. It's a matter of whether FDJ wants to come here.
Would be an unbelievable signing
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