Delany adds on some extra BS though and then uses Duckers coat tails to add to his own credibility.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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@Judas one of the top posters in 4/5 threads, surely RedCafe's greatest transfer muppet?
Lift the ramp!
I'm getting Done Dealio vibes
Amen brother
Correct me if I am wrong, but why is the deferred wages an issue in this transfer? If he is owed them, he is owed them regardless of if he moves or not and could take legal action against Barcelona for non payment even after a move away.
Unless is it tied to a loyality bonus?
Unless is it tied to a loyality bonus?
Yeah, we've wasted way too many pages on FDJ's intentions. Ducker was likely briefed direct from the Club. This was right before the trip to Spain. I don't know how people keep glossing over it. We are still in the deal because FDJ's camp gave us the green light. The noise about staying is solely related to the money.
Why folks want to twist themselves into "agendas" beats me. It's a simple case of "man wants his money before he leaves". It's no simpler or complex than that.
I have no idea why the matter of his wage deference would impact his departure. The two do not seem related to me.
Campaigns to force him out - fecking hell.
He deserves better than that. The sad thing He’s leaving a shower of shit to a slightly lesser shower of shit
He deserves better than that. The sad thing He’s leaving a shower of shit to a slightly lesser shower of shit
According to Gerard Romero United's latest offer is €70M + 17M
Because Barca are trying to wiggle their way out of paying him the deferred wages. I believe they are telling his agent something along the lines "if you move to man utd now, you will have to forfeit all the deferred wages because our agreement is the deferred wages will be paid BY the end of your contract which is Jun 2026. So now you're "breaking" your contract and leaving early so we wont be paying your deferred wages"
Barca are really a sneaky bunch
His wages were restructured to be a low salary for several years then higher for the final years of his contract. If he doesn’t fulfil the contract, he won’t be paid those latter years.
It increasingly feels as if his agent fecked up. He seemingly signed him up to a contract that didn’t consider the possibility that Barcelona would just sell him, before he finally gets paid the megabucks of the final years of his contract.
If I was de Jong I would take great pleasure in just ignoring Barca until they came and said "here are all the wages you deferred". Just let them stew.
I am kind of at the point with this transfer where I hope he stays and just makes Barca look like complete idiots. They can't afford for him to stay so just leave them to it. If their ego is more important than the club then so be it.
I am kind of at the point with this transfer where I hope he stays and just makes Barca look like complete idiots. They can't afford for him to stay so just leave them to it. If their ego is more important than the club then so be it.
Looks like we are helping you pay your bills
Right, so, restructured offer. More money up front meaning Barca have more capital immediately available to mitigate some of his deferred wages, in addition to capital arriving this week as a result of secondary levers.
Campaigns to force him out - fecking hell.
He deserves better than that. The sad thing He’s leaving a shower of shit to a slightly lesser shower of shit
One of the Tier 2 Spanish journo's claimed yesterday that Xavi told Frenkie he liked him, but it's about money for the new signings
Shivved him good....if even close to accurate reporting.
As far as I understand, the Spanish laws did not allow anyone to take a paycut more than 50%. So they renewed FDJ’s contract by extending it by two years and reduced his wages for the first two years which would later have been compensated in the subsequent years. Now barca are trying to wriggle out of paying it by asking him to either take a paycut or a transfer as if he is transferred the deferred wages will have to be forgoed.
His agent didn't feck up, Barca can't sell a player unless the player agrees to leave. He won't agree to leave unless they pay those wages. Barca fecked up. Only Barca. The only way Frenkie fecked up is if he wanted to leave which by all accounts never entered his mind.
I assume you speak spanish. Does he report "latest offer" or "final offer"?. I've seen both interpretations on twitter.
Because he wants to make sure he gets what’s owed to him, quite rightly. His alternative is just to sit tight on his fat new contract at Barca, which is not ideal for them either. Barca really do need to cough up before he moves.
We do not really know but the assumption is that Barca are asking him to waive the money they owe him in order to let him leave, whilst publicly stating they want him to stay and take another pay cut (he will be paying Barca to play there if he stays long enough), FDJ is stating that he wants to stay at Barca without a pay cut....the next assumption is that privately he is happy to join UTD or else why would our fluffwitt club spend so much time and energy on signing him.
In the words of TLJ in under siege "assumption is the mother of all fluff ups"
Just wondered if you have placed any money on FdJ being a Utd player next season?Yeah, we've wasted way too many pages on FDJ's intentions. Ducker was likely briefed direct from the Club. This was right before the trip to Spain. I don't know how people keep glossing over it. We are still in the deal because FDJ's camp gave us the green light. The noise about staying is solely related to the money.
Why folks want to twist themselves into "agendas" beats me. It's a simple case of "man wants his money before he leaves". It's no simpler or complex than that.
By and large Real were able to carry on as usual while still paying Bale. It seems, if reports are to be believed, that Frenkie staying would be quite problematic for Barca's finances
If i was to bet on anything sports related, you'd still have to pay me to bet on transfers.
Some parallels obviously, except de Jong‘s wages are not that high, it’s been mentioned many times but over the course of his six-year deal he will be receiving around €250,000 per week. The only reason the wages are high this season and the coming seasons is because he was nice enough to take enormous pay cuts to help the club out over the last two years, something Gareth Bale would never have done. Therefore you’d imagine he deserves a little bit more loyalty from the club and expect them to be more thankful.
True,If i was to bet on anything sports related, you'd still have to pay me to bet on transfers.
Definitely more chance of a miss than a hit.
What are Barca doing not paying their players? Crazy mismanagement over there.
So he needs to physically be there saying to Laporta ‘don’t forget my money, don’t forget my money’ everyday in order to get paid?
It is a matter of contract, and to me, has no bearing on whether or not he continues to play for Barcelona next season or not. The notion that he wants to leave, but will stay if he can’t sort out his deferred wages sounds odd.
Ok.. not ideal.
Exactly! Which is why I’d rather we went for someone else. He doesnt want to play for his ex manager he doesnt want to play for Man united, feck him. I’d rather we sign players like Martinez that will actually enjoy playing for us, not be forced to.For his player presentation it feels like it’s going to a Messi to PSG type where FDJ is crying
Just tell him to feck of already. We look like silly bollocks begging him.
Romero is gospel isn’t he?
ETH has been in contact with him - so I don’t fecking understand
I think he's very reliable for Barca news, yeah. I'm still hoping this is just a narrative that they're pushing though..
I think us raising our offer, you'd have to think that would let them settle the wage issue. I guess the real worry is they try to use that money for other things, then this just won't happen.
Deal Agreed.
FDJ doesn't want to join.
Rinse and repeat.
FDJ doesn't want to join.
Rinse and repeat.
This (if it’s true)
He’s crossed a line. Ten Hag hopefully has been persevering to sign him as plan a, with a plan b ready to kick in if it gets to a scenario such as this.
Outright saying he doesn’t want to play for us. Not what we need and he can feck off and enjoy being unwanted at Barca
Can we address the elephant in the room...
4 goals and 6 assists in 61 games across all competitions and internationals last season.
Is 1 in 10 really enough? If all he does is pass to the person who does the actual work then why are we paying so much for FdJ.
13 goals, 23 assists in 230 total professional games all clubs. 91.4% pass accuracy, 12 MOTM so about 5% of the time and this is only marginally better than 1/22 so he barely outshines the average if there are no stand outs.
Per game defensive
1.3 tackles, 1.1 interceptions, 0.6 fouls, 0.1 offside, 0.8 clearances, 0.6 dribbles, 0.1 blocks, 0 o.g.s
Offensive
0.5 shots, 1.2 key passes, 1.7 dribbles, 1.2 fouled, 0.8 dispossessed, 0.9 bad control
Passes
64.6, 0.1 crosses, 2.2 long ball, 0.1 through balls
This player is no Michael Carrick. He also isn't a DM. He isn't a destroyer. He isn't a Pirlo..
He is basically the one missing element from Fred and McTominay...he can do simple passes effectively! Is this really enough?
Maybe stats isn't enough.
I've not watched loads of him and the passing aspect was the key thing I was sure we needed, but now I'm left questioning if this is really a stand out player worth this kind of money.
4 goals and 6 assists in 61 games across all competitions and internationals last season.
Is 1 in 10 really enough? If all he does is pass to the person who does the actual work then why are we paying so much for FdJ.
13 goals, 23 assists in 230 total professional games all clubs. 91.4% pass accuracy, 12 MOTM so about 5% of the time and this is only marginally better than 1/22 so he barely outshines the average if there are no stand outs.
Per game defensive
1.3 tackles, 1.1 interceptions, 0.6 fouls, 0.1 offside, 0.8 clearances, 0.6 dribbles, 0.1 blocks, 0 o.g.s
Offensive
0.5 shots, 1.2 key passes, 1.7 dribbles, 1.2 fouled, 0.8 dispossessed, 0.9 bad control
Passes
64.6, 0.1 crosses, 2.2 long ball, 0.1 through balls
This player is no Michael Carrick. He also isn't a DM. He isn't a destroyer. He isn't a Pirlo..
He is basically the one missing element from Fred and McTominay...he can do simple passes effectively! Is this really enough?
Maybe stats isn't enough.
I've not watched loads of him and the passing aspect was the key thing I was sure we needed, but now I'm left questioning if this is really a stand out player worth this kind of money.
Thats why I have faith that this is just Barca setting out the stall to their fans of "sorry, but we had to sell him or we couldn't have signed anyone". "He didn't want to go.. nobody would ever want to leave us" etc...
Hard to believe. I'm more inclined to believe that he refuses to leave until he's paid what he's owned. And fair enough.
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