Isn’t he specialised in German transfer news ? And even that he doesn’t get right
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Isn’t he specialised in German transfer news ? And even that he doesn’t get right
That's not too much of a hammer blow of a tweet. It's still on.
You're probably confusing him with someone else. He has good United sources.
I don't watch Barca much, but the Athletic article today paints De Jong as a player that hasn't really made the step up at that level. He seems worth buying if we can get him, but perhaps not the slam dunk game-changer that a lot seem to think he'll be?
Xavi will rightfully have feck all to do with it.
Laporta will rightfully ensure the club does what is required, he got rid of Messi ffs, he’ll have no issues doing what is right if it makes sense to move FdJ on.
Xavi’s approval
what do these guys smoke?Not sure why Shrager is considered a good source tbh
He should thrive in a possession based side. Obviously we’ve got a long way to go to get to that stage but this signing could transform our midfield with a DM signing also.
They surely won't want to annoy Xavi by just selling players he doesn't want to be rid of though without at least exploring some options you would think?
I don't think we will get many slam dunk game-changers this summer anyway, no matter how many players we buy
Not necessarily. This confirms that they kinda need to sell and Xavi will probably be in no position to veto the transfer.
Laporta hasn’t been in a position to care about “annoying” Xavi, Xavi was brought in precisely because he knows and understands full well the financial plight of the club and what is required.
Their other options are:
1 Stay shit
2. Sell Gavi or Pedri instead
They're broke. They need to sell an asset in order to invest OR be content with starting Mingueza, Dest or a 40y old fullback. That defense is absolutely shocking by Barca standards.
All this points to Romero being spot on. A lot of catch ups being posted after his exclusive but without the same punch.
He was either correct or not, you cant be half pregnant
He was either correct or not, you cant be half pregnant
Didn't he only recently respond to rumours linking him with United and others by stating he wants to stay at Barcelona long-term?
Regardless of talent, signing players who don't want to be here except for the money is an approach we really need to consign to the past. We've made this mistake before. All I read on here is how terrible our transfer policy has been - rightly so - but as soon as a good player becomes available everyone's happy to forget all of that.
If we're to claw our way back to the top, we need players who are commited to the challenge, not ones that will get fed up as soon as we don't look like instantly achieving.
Regardless of talent, signing players who don't want to be here except for the money is an approach we really need to consign to the past. We've made this mistake before. All I read on here is how terrible our transfer policy has been - rightly so - but as soon as a good player becomes available everyone's happy to forget all of that.
If we're to claw our way back to the top, we need players who are commited to the challenge, not ones that will get fed up as soon as we don't look like instantly achieving.
Neres had a good pace and the other two forwards were very good dribblers, only Sancho qualifies as a good dribbler in this attack.
It's not about counterattack versus pass and move football, that's binary. You generally have a mix of characteristics within individuals and the overall makeup and the managers idea defines the style. It's not just predicated on one characteristic. I'm not advocating signing Theo Walcott of 10 years ago just to inject pace, let's be clear.
I'm only saying that a blend of qualities in the forwards must be considered important otherwise the trends throughout the teams that are better than us would not be present. The holy grail is to have forwards and wide players that are athletes, technical, and score. But that's not feasible within every individual so we generally see complimentary players and I gave the examples. Even if we look to Madrid, to take this outside the PL, Vinicius plays an important role with his pace, dribbling, and then you have Benzema's all-round play. I just don't think anyone great plays with a lineup like yours.
Anyway, I should not detail things further, ultimately we can all have an opinion!
I don't remember Schone being a deeplying playmaker, but more a box to box ball winner type like Fred, Kante, Laimer, Holjberg, etc. It was a similar partnership to that of Kante/Jorginho, Kimmich/Goretzka, etc.
In 18/19 season specifically Schone was often stay deep when FDJ dribble to carry the ball forward. ETH has this principle to always leave 3 men behind, even this season he tends to use blind his left back as his 3rd man or his lone no 6 as his 3rd man in defense. In 18/19 it was two CB plus one of the double pivot.
Kamara is a pure DM.
I'd be surprised if we pull this off but ready to be hurt again. He will have plenty of suitors and our pull is simply financial and ETH right now, which might not be enough. Any likes to get out of the newbie zone also welcome!
I was watching Gérard Romero talking to an economist on his programme today and he said it has to be done by the end of May or Barca can't register their new signings wages on the FFP side of things because they don't have the money. It was also mentioned that FDJs wages rise from 16m to 20m this season due to a clause in his contract. They want/need him gone as soon as possible.
My understanding of the situation is they like de Jong but they know they have no other option but have to sell him to bring more funds for the likes of lewandowski. They are keen on lewandowski and are waiting to see if they can sign him depending on Bayern’s acceptance of course and if bayern decide to let lewa go then they gonna need funds in terms of transfer and wages. In that scenario they would push de Jong out. And I think the wheels are already in motion regarding them getting lewandowski hence the breakout news from Romero yesterday.
Hoping his relationship with ten Hag will win us the race… players should still be excited about joining us under a new era and new project under a decent manager that likes to play attractive football. We may not be in the CL this season but we can still challenge for trophies and hopefully get back into the CL next season.
Reports from everywhere of Lewandowski saying he won’t renew at Bayern and wants to go to Barca this summer so Barca NEED money.
Coutinho to Villa for £17 million is half of what they need for Lewandowski but they also need a right back, a left back and a centre back so Xavi will privately accept De Jong leaving to bring in funds as they have Pedri, Gavi, Busquets, Nico and Kessie but not publicly endorse De Jong leaving.
Seems obvious Laporta is doing everything to undo the crippling contracts placed on the club by the former regime. He’s got the loyal players on pay cuts, got rid of Coutinho, Griezmann & Messi.
If he feels FdJ’s contract is a strain on the club, and that his sale would free up and bring in much needed money to say, resign Dembele, or bolster other positions on more favourable contracts, he’ll do exactly that.
Shut it down boys, let's save on kleenex / heartbreak.
I know. In a double 6 pivot, I just don't think he and De Jong would compliment each other. If, however, ETH played a 433, with De Jong higher as an 8 and Kamara as a single pivot 6, then it'd be fine.
Indeed, he's actually changed his tune a bit since yesterday.
Overall good news today to be honest, Romero double downed, mixed bag out of British journos, all in all, we are still in this.
This wont drag out it seems with the June deadline if that is true, decision time in the coming weeks for De Jong's future. It looks like it is only a question of where he will end up, and we should have a good position in the race.
This wont drag out it seems with the June deadline if that is true, decision time in the coming weeks for De Jong's future. It looks like it is only a question of where he will end up, and we should have a good position in the race.
Yeah, the story yesterday was that Xavi would rather keep him, but if the club want him sold, he's probably getting sold. The Shrager take is just a more negative angle on the exact same information.
It's gonna be tiago mk2 isn't it but instead of fellini we are gonna splaff 75 million on Phillip's at the end of the transfer window
I get you but because De Jong can play in a pivot. I think it works, would only be an issue if he couldn’t pivot.
Think people are a bit too caught up on whether Barca will sell him or not and Romeros comments.
After the initial excitement, I dont think it is about that. I think they WILL sell him. But why are people confident he comes here? Not playing the club down but Barcelona as a City and the Nou Camp, to rainy Manchester, no champions league football, a club in dissaray as he approaches his peak years, little in the way of personal trophies.
Who knows about press rumours of not being keen on here, lack of champions league football, relationship with Ten Hag etc etc etc, but £60-70m.......there will be a few big clubs in for him I think, what lures him here currently over those other clubs. We may be one of the biggest clubs int he world, he would be leaving one, his dream club and there could be the likes of Liverpool, City, PSG, Juventus, Bayern....all offering CL football, competition for the biggest trophies at most, better squads than here, better brands of football and structure, better training faclities, better lifestyle, no ownership issues and less disgruntled fans etc.
Its painful to say, but at this point in time, what top player in the world approaching there peak would want to come here in the short term with some of the other options, I just cant believe other big clubs that offer more in the short term dont get him over us
After the initial excitement, I dont think it is about that. I think they WILL sell him. But why are people confident he comes here? Not playing the club down but Barcelona as a City and the Nou Camp, to rainy Manchester, no champions league football, a club in dissaray as he approaches his peak years, little in the way of personal trophies.
Who knows about press rumours of not being keen on here, lack of champions league football, relationship with Ten Hag etc etc etc, but £60-70m.......there will be a few big clubs in for him I think, what lures him here currently over those other clubs. We may be one of the biggest clubs int he world, he would be leaving one, his dream club and there could be the likes of Liverpool, City, PSG, Juventus, Bayern....all offering CL football, competition for the biggest trophies at most, better squads than here, better brands of football and structure, better training faclities, better lifestyle, no ownership issues and less disgruntled fans etc.
Its painful to say, but at this point in time, what top player in the world approaching there peak would want to come here in the short term with some of the other options, I just cant believe other big clubs that offer more in the short term dont get him over us
Howson did a good video about how Fabian Ruiz might be a very good and a bit cheaper alternative to FDJ. Napoli are a bit of a cnut to negotiate with though.
Aside from the Ten Hag connection (and who knows how much of a factor that may be), I think main factors are that we need him more than any other club close to our size could need a player like that, and with Pogba and several others leaving, we've got the budget room for a player on his wages like nobody else other than PSG if Mbappe leaves - and they'd want a big name forward in first and foremost if that happens.
One factor that literally nobody has mentioned yet in their mostly negative lists is the fact that Cristiano Ronaldo plays for us.
I think you're underestimating the pull of a manager.
Jose got us Pogba who is arguably a bigger star than de Jong in similar circumstances.
Liverpool, City aren't going to go for him, they have bigger fish to fry (Pool need Salah replacement, City have like 6 players who can do the job de Jong does).
PSG will get Pogba and are stacked at CM.
Juve are in as big as a mess as us - they can't really match the money we pay and Italy isn't exactly the league most players want to go to.
Bayern will be a frontrunner if they want him but I haven't seen any links. Just some reports around Gravenberch. But I feel like we can still outcompete by giving him a fat pay check. Bayern are pretty responsible financially.
The only question in my mind is if Barca will tell him to go. He seems happy in the city and will probably just enjoy life there instead of taking on a new challenge.
I think many are overstimating the pulling power Ten Hag may have for De Jong. Yes he was the manager which formed him and they had a great spell together, but he played for him for only 18 months.
Sadly we are in a poor position, and not only that but we have been a disaster for the last 10 years. We are a big club only on the commercial side, so I guess if he's to leave he'll have plenty of offers. I doubt having Ten Hag can make up for all the other things we currently lack.
Sadly we are in a poor position, and not only that but we have been a disaster for the last 10 years. We are a big club only on the commercial side, so I guess if he's to leave he'll have plenty of offers. I doubt having Ten Hag can make up for all the other things we currently lack.
Without a doubt Laporta has to make even more difficult decisions on top of the ones he's already made to try and balance the books after the disaster Bartomeu left behind. What seems certain is players like Pedri, Ansu, Nico and Araujo aren't going anywhere and it's probably only a matter of days before Gavi extends his contract meaning the only viable player left worth anything is FDJ and according to Romero that sale has to happen before the end of May which is when fair play closes. If not Barca will have a hard job registering players/wages already brought in.
I think that's why Romero is playing all his cards on De Jong being sold with apparently Xavi now giving his ok for his exit. Whether or not it's to us I just don't know but when Romero tends to be so sure he really has to be listened to.
I'll leave a link of Gerard Romeros interview with the economist for any Spanish speakers who may be interested in Barcas finances. It's quite informative.
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