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Frenkie to United?


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It's just embarrassing from United and Murtough. De Jong is a Barcelona player therefore whatever price Barcelona placed on the player that is their entitlement. The issue is Romero said that Murtough has been talking with the club for months before anything was acknowledged or reported. If the club truly have turned aside the old regime why not use an alternative target imstead of wasting all summer.
 
"He'd much rather go to Chelsea, so if I were you, i'd wrap this deal up quickly before they come in...."
 
Yep. This is how I'm viewing Chelsea so far this summer, could change mind, but thus far I don't really get the frothing at the mouth.

Tbf we don’t have a sporting director yet. It’s just Boehly winging it himself. He’s making acquaintances with agents and owners in real time, so it looks like a haphazard summer for us because it is. I don’t think this window is a representative of what the club structure and approach will be in the future. Still, we are targeting all the right positions and 80% of the players we have been linked with, I have been happy with, so it’s not exactly a train wreck.
 
Agree with that. Though I think we'll end up going right back to the start with someone else and getting our pants pulled down on the fee.

I saw a tweet somewhere in the last couple of weeks that said United have other targets and are "keeping them warm". Which I presume means we're signing Kevin Lasagne. Though we could always just promote Will Fish.

We have no other targets, this is all or nothing.
 
Seem's like Barca's attitude is if you want him then pay a bit extra to sort it out.

Then maybe its time to counter that by moving for Fabian Ruiz. Then we let Barcelona and their levers to sort FDJ and his monstrous salary which is meant to kick in few weeks time
 
We have no other targets, this is all or nothing.
Based on what?

This guy is clearly very much the number one target, that is clear. I don't think the manager sees anyone else not being a significant step down so that's where we are. Doesn't mean there aren't other targets that will be approached later in the window if this doesn't materialise.
 
De Jong for 59 mil feels wrong - wrong enough so I understand why Barca would want more money anyway.
 
Then maybe its time to counter that by moving for Fabian Ruiz. Then we let Barcelona and their levers to sort FDJ and his monstrous salary which is meant to kick in few weeks time
Fabian Ruiz would be a pretty interesting alternative in my opinion. Seems like he'd be reasonably priced also as isn't he out of contract in 2023?
 
It's impossible for me to believe all of the following...
  • FDJ wants to stay at Barca
  • FDJ much prefers Chelsea over United
  • ETH and FDJ talk every day
  • United have spent all summer so far negotiating for FDJ
  • Chelsea are going with everything to sign FDJ
 
Based on what?

This guy is clearly very much the number one target, that is clear. I don't think the manager sees anyone else not being a significant step down so that's where we are. Doesn't mean there aren't other targets that will be approached later in the window if this doesn't materialise.
If we have backups then who are they? Who are we being linked to in the media? Teleimans is the only name I can think of, and he's been mentioned in addition to De Jong, and is probably going to Arsenal anyway.
 
If we have backups then who are they? Who are we being linked to in the media? Teleimans is the only name I can think of, and he's been mentioned in addition to De Jong, and is probably going to Arsenal anyway.
If we want Tielemans I'm sure we would get him to be honest.
 
All this talk of Restructuring and its the same ol shambles.
There should have been back up plans for all the transfers.
The pre-season dates would have been what we worked back from.

Cannot believe this.

This is where it's at for me. The inability to sign De Jong is not the issue it's the irresponsibility of not moving on to other targets. Nunez is a good example poor timing and bad prioritisation. This transfer window is already creating the upcoming seasons expectation. The club have lost almost 4 senior players and thus far all that's confirmed is a rotational left back. It's poor to say the least.
 
Barca are behind this. Every last penny they can get. "Frenkie is not for sale" yesterday. They want United to pull the trigger.
 
If we have backups then who are they? Who are we being linked to in the media? Teleimans is the only name I can think of, and he's been mentioned in addition to De Jong, and is probably going to Arsenal anyway.
Not knowing who the backups are does not mean we can conclude that there are none. Nobody in the media was reporting that we were interested in signing Ronaldo until practically the day before we signed him last summer. The Van de Beek deal also happened very quickly.

This idea that we have never been expedient in completing a transfer deal is based on selective memory.
 
If we have backups then who are they? Who are we being linked to in the media? Teleimans is the only name I can think of, and he's been mentioned in addition to De Jong, and is probably going to Arsenal anyway.
What does it matter if they're linked in the media?

This guy is being actively pursued so that's where the media focus is. There is no need for strong links in the media to Plans B, C and D. The club can just be keeping aware of their situation, and Tielemans may be one such player. Depending on what's happening in this one (which they have way more information on) would dictate how they respond.
 
Fabian Ruiz would be a pretty interesting alternative in my opinion. Seems like he'd be reasonably priced also as isn't he out of contract in 2023?

Would definitely require us to buy another midfield player though as him and Fred would not work, and you are trying to deal with Napoli who always ask for high valuations so it is no less of a risk. Definitely one of the few options that makes at least some sense though.
 
This is where it's at for me. The inability to sign De Jong is not the issue it's the irresponsibility of not moving on to other targets. Nunez is a good example poor timing and bad prioritisation. This transfer window is already creating the upcoming seasons expectation. The club have lost almost 4 senior players and thus far all that's confirmed is a rotational left back. It's poor to say the least.
Nail on head!
 
Yes but like I said, CB and RB is more urgent. Having Dalot/AWB on the right all season would be terrible and we're a Varane injury away from watching Lindelof/Maguire partnership again.

Shaw has missed at least 15 games in each of the last 4 seasons because of injury and has been more shite than class in his entire career and so we are 1 easy Luke Shaw injury from Telles who we all saw is shite. Malacia is someone highly rated by ETH and this was the board getting ETH someone he rated at a poistion that will 100% be an issue at some point this season if it's just Shaw and Telles.
 
It's impossible for me to believe all of the following...
  • FDJ wants to stay at Barca
  • FDJ much prefers Chelsea over United
  • ETH and FDJ talk every day
  • United have spent all summer so far negotiating for FDJ
  • Chelsea are going with everything to sign FDJ

I'll make it easier for you, to fit in with the regular caftard
 
If Chelsea want him it will be interesting him fast they get the deal done….it won’t be 2 months that’s for sure.

To be fair, FDJ and Barca have been trying to resolve his contract issue for a while now. So Chelseas attempt will look quicker because that has happened.

Im sure without the contract issues, FDJ would be a united player by now.
 
I have such mixed emotions right now because about 2 hours ago I bought tickets to go to the Camp Nou for Barca's home opener. First time in Barcelona, first time seeing a real football match, going to one of the most iconic stadiums in the world, to see one of the most iconic teams in the world, and now, I just want Bayern's president to be right and for Barcelona to not exist in 2 years.
 
There is no 'way' to sort it other than pay the money themselves. If they want to do that then they will get him.
Ideally although unlikely, UEFA should ban Barca from any transfer business until they have paid debts. However, your suggestion Chelsea pay him the money themselves is probably more realistic.
 
This is where it's at for me. The inability to sign De Jong is not the issue it's the irresponsibility of not moving on to other targets. Nunez is a good example poor timing and bad prioritisation. This transfer window is already creating the upcoming seasons expectation. The club have lost almost 4 senior players and thus far all that's confirmed is a rotational left back. It's poor to say the least.

Its a collective responsibility I know.
But the CEO/board have the final say with money matters.
At the first meeting all the expectations of the seller should have been noted and we could have talked on what is acceptable and what we were unwilling to negotiate on.
If they are moving the goalposts, that is a sure sign we must walk away.

Amateurish will be a compliment for this CEO/board.
 
Ideally although unlikely, UEFA should ban Barca from any transfer business until they have paid debts. However, your suggestion Chelsea pay him the money themselves is probably more realistic.

I don't think even chelsea would do that, that would be a v bad look and open to all sorts of problems. Maybe agree a fee that includes the standard fee plus what he is owed, but thats v risky if he doesnt actually get the money after that.
 
Funny it’s coming from a Barca source though isn’t it? Almost like they want to up the ante…



Squad players? You’ve lost two first choice CB (including your best one) and your £100m CF.

United have lost the squad players bar arguably Pogba

Christensen actually only played in 19 PL games last year which was actually less than Chalboah. Rudiger can’t disagree he will be a big loss but Lukaku was despite his huge fee no more than a squad player last season.
Your talked about the players we have lost and that’s as I stated.
 
What I feel has happened is, Barca accepted our bid. At least the fix part, then FDJs agent probably brought up the issue of his arrears from previous season. To which Barca tried to weasel out of. The deal then got complicated, and Barca have gone on a PR mission to save face.
No basis for this. Just joining the muppetery
 
What I feel has happened is, Barca accepted our bid. At least the fix part, then FDJs agent probably brought up the issue of his arrears from previous season. To which Barca tried to weasel out of. The deal then got complicated, and Barca have gone on a PR mission to save face.
No basis for this. Just joining the muppetery
They’re such a fecking scum club. Honestly. Eurgh.
 
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