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Frenkie to United?


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No, none of those I mentioned are perfect FDJ replicas. But if your strategy for rebuilding the team is De Jong or bust, well, that’s just plain stupid.

Also, there seems to be this idea in the Caf that Frenkie is a DM. He’s not. He’s a deep lying playmaker. His defensive statistics are really bad. He’s going to need to be paired with a classic DM in a 4-2-3-1. So if the deal goes through, we’re still going to need a DM to play alongside him IMHO.

Now, I grant you that the guy is a one man high press breaker, but if you think he’s going to protect the back 4 and provide world class distribution (Fabinho or Casemiro anyone?) then I think they are going to be disappointed.

BTW, Brozovic is an incredibly gifted player, really smart and a very good ball distributor. He’s the reason (along with Barella) Inter have been really good despite the turnover in attacking talent.
I’ve read literally dozens if not hundreds of posts on the Caf about needing a DM alongside DeJong, literally can’t recall a single person saying DeJong is a DM.
 
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I think all parties are open to getting it done but if you use your logic also it is clear that the gaps are very wide. Barca seemingly wants the 20m in add-ones to be easily achievable on top of the 65m cash, United wanting badly to get it done but sticking tight to their position and FDJ wanting back-pay etc. It is not bad negotiation to state a deadline and be prepared to walk away. What United can’t afford is to turn this into a longer saga than it already is and impacting all the other transfers they need to do. If they drag this out for another month and at the end of the day FDJ doesn’t come then what’s the plan B?
Which is why this whole transfer just doesn't make sense for our new reputation of not being bullied. We're basically being Barcelona's bitch and just waiting for everything to be over.

Set a hard deadline and move on to the next if Barcelona doesn't play ball so we can give ETH ample time to know who's actually in his squad.

Let Barcelona get fecked for playing games and having to pay for all their newly signed players while not being able to register them for their league. It'll be so fitting for a club that's so horribly ran.
 
Think the idea is he takes a reduced salary if he decides to stay on.

This whole saga is such a shit show tbh, if we don't get a resolution soon I think we need to start looking elsewhere. Can't waste such an important window.
So, he’s still looking for a way to stay on non-reduced wages? Or reduced a bit
 
There is a lot of smoke and mirrors on this deal and so much drama because of FDJ deferred wage deal, It seems that he is not against the idea of moving but at the same time is not Keen either, United should potentially now threaten Barcelona with a deadline date or walk away whilst simultaneously working on Youri Tielemans deal before Arsenal get that deal done. Half the Price of FDJ, pL proven, plus he would probably like to play for a big pl club and also might free up money for a potential CFW which we now need like Andre Silva or Patrik Schick if Ronaldo gets his way, pretty sure we could get either of those for £35/40M and Tielemans for £35M that’s two for one and use the £25M we get for Ronaldo to get Antony and Dyballa.

Would this be such a bad transfer window?
Incomings;
T Malacia - 13M
C Eriksen - Free
Y Tielemans - 35M
L Martinez or P Torres - 41M
P Dyballa - Free
P Schick or A Silva - 35M
Antony - 56M
Total - £180M

Outgoings;
A Pereira - 10M
*Ronaldo - 25M (don’t want to sell but we may not have a choice )
P Jones - 5M
T Chong - 5M
A Telles - 10M
A Tuanzebe or E Baily - 10/15M
Total - £65/70M

Net Spend £120M
I’ve got a feeling James Garner, Victor Lindelof or L Martinez if we buy him will be used in the CDM role for certain Games since we’ve not signed a specialist. And next summer we will go all out for D Rice.

Squad would be ;
D De Gea, T Heaton, M Kovar (3)
D Dalot, AWB, V Lindelof R Varane, H Maguire, A Tuanzebe, *L Martinez, L Shaw, *T Malacia (9)
J Garner, Fred, S Mctominay, *Y Tielemans, *C Eriksen, Bruno, Z Iqbal, DVB(8)
*Antony, J Sancho, M Rashford, *P Schick, A Martial, A Ellanga, A Ganaucho, * P Dyballa (8)
Squad of 28 with 4 academy players promoted For Europa and cup games

We should then Send F pellistrii, A Dialo, H Mejbri, T Mendi and A Fernandez on PL or Championship loans with maybe Dialo loaned to Ajax as part of Antony deal. The 5 sub rule with 9 named substitutes will impact our thinking this window which is why we might take a punt on players like Dyballa and Eriksen on free transfer deals. ETH will want at least 3 or 4 attacking subs on the bench to try and win games late on. There really is no superstar in this time but a few players who think they are which means because of fierce competition for places they need to be performing at their very best to stay in the team.

Yes it would be awful for midfield. We end up with Tielemans and one of McFred in midfield. Martinez at DM is a bad idea both stats wise, and from what ETH has said before. That midfield would get murdered just as much as McFred did. Now arguably we have a better defense, but still no midfield. Plus we are not getting Antony for that price.
 
We should be true to our word and walk away while moving on to plan B.
 
Fabrizio maintains that we haven't even started with personal terms and he wants to stay. This is annoying now. Get it done or move on.
 
So, he’s still looking for a way to stay on non-reduced wages? Or reduced a bit

I mean I'd obviously just be speculating if I was to assume what he wants, but if we are to believe reports, he is willing to come here, but not until he's paid what he's owed. Barca can't afford to/don't want to pay him so at the moment it's at a bit of a stalemate.

Quite funny tbh, he supposedly has no interest of lowering his wage - a wage they simply cannot afford. So unless they figure out a way to get him out soon, this could bite them in the arse.
 
Which is why this whole transfer just doesn't make sense for our new reputation of not being bullied. We're basically being Barcelona's bitch and just waiting for everything to be over.

Set a hard deadline and move on to the next if Barcelona doesn't play ball so we can give ETH ample time to know who's actually in his squad.

Let Barcelona get fecked for playing games and having to pay for all their newly signed players while not being able to register them for their league. It'll be so fitting for a club that's so horribly ran.
I’m with you completely. But there are those (not wrongly) can argue that we have not backed ETH. The club is in a difficult spot but I think we need to realise two things (i) currently the brand name of United alone can’t attract the A listers anymore unless we pay crazy fees and wages and (ii) as a result, fans need to be realistic and not be let down if we can only get another midfielder who is not on the same level as FDJ.
 
Read a report saying that it's taking longer because Barca still owe De Jong 19 million in salary they failed to pay out during covid and due to their precarious financial position aren't very eager to do this right away.

Laughable that they keep signing players on big wages while they can't even pay the ones they have already. mes que un cnuts
 
Fabrizio maintains that we haven't even started with personal terms and he wants to stay. This is annoying now. Get it done or move on.
Seems an easy out for Romano by saying De Jong doesn't want to leave but won't accept a pay cut either. He can't lose then. If it falls through he can say that he told us all along that the player never wanted to come, or if it happens he can say its because of the wage cut thing he mentioned before.

As others have said, if the player genuinely didn't want to leave and genuinely didn't want to join United, then United wouldn't be persisting on it.
 
Fabrizio maintains that we haven't even started with personal terms and he wants to stay. This is annoying now. Get it done or move on.

I don’t think there’s an issue. Again clubs don’t get to this point without everything being sounded out. How often do you see a deal collapse due to personal terms?!
 
More self-loathing.
We are, though. We’re in 500m plus worth of debt, not far behind Barcelona. They’re just at a later stage.

Why do you think we were protesting? This isn’t how a club should be run.

And that’s just the financials. Apparently our dressing room is an absolute state with players being advised to avoid it. We’re in a bad way
 
I’m with you completely. But there are those (not wrongly) can argue that we have not backed ETH. The club is in a difficult spot but I think we need to realise two things (i) currently the brand name of United alone can’t attract the A listers anymore unless we pay crazy fees and wages and (ii) as a result, fans need to be realistic and not be let down if we can only get another midfielder who is not on the same level as FDJ.

The separate issue is not that of not buying a player of FDJ quality, but that if you buy another player then you have to recruit other positions, that would not necessarily be required if you get FdJ. It's not a simple factor of saying if we don't buy FdJ just buy X player who is not quite as good. I am assuming based on how he has set up teams before that he thinks bringing FdJ means he does not have to replace other players in the squad. For example if he brings in Tielemans instead, he then has to bring in other players to that midfield. If you bring in Neves you have to have a ball carrying, progressive midfielder, etc.

ETH has shown he is more than capable of constructing teams, based on players he has in the squad, one has to assume that his initial thought is that bringing in FdJ means he doesnt have to spend in other areas. Getting Neves/Tielemans/Ruiz etc would require not just the investment for that player, but other midfield investment.
 
I think all parties are open to getting it done but if you use your logic also it is clear that the gaps are very wide. Barca seemingly wants the 20m in add-ones to be easily achievable on top of the 65m cash, United wanting badly to get it done but sticking tight to their position and FDJ wanting back-pay etc. It is not bad negotiation to state a deadline and be prepared to walk away. What United can’t afford is to turn this into a longer saga than it already is and impacting all the other transfers they need to do. If they drag this out for another month and at the end of the day FDJ doesn’t come then what’s the plan B?

1st September the window closes? And ultimately, all is agreed between the clubs, just between FdJ and Barcelona.

FdJ is key to EtH. So if it takes a little longer than what fans expect, so be it.
 
We are, though. We’re in 500m plus worth of debt, not far behind Barcelona. They’re just at a later stage.

Why do you think we were protesting? This isn’t how a club should be run.

And that’s just the financials. Apparently our dressing room is an absolute state with players being advised to avoid it. We’re in a bad way

Having debt isnt a problem as long as you can make your payments towards that debt and can pay your other responsibilities like player wages. I have never read or seen anything that said that Manchester United has a liquidity problem or needs to take out extra loans just to pay the players.

There is no comparison between Barcelona and Manchester United finances.
 
Stop plagiarizing my news with those tweets curse you!

I'm trying to become the new Kirkbrizio Duymano.
 
I’m with you completely. But there are those (not wrongly) can argue that we have not backed ETH. The club is in a difficult spot but I think we need to realise two things (i) currently the brand name of United alone can’t attract the A listers anymore unless we pay crazy fees and wages and (ii) as a result, fans need to be realistic and not be let down if we can only get another midfielder who is not on the same level as FDJ.
I think ETH will prefer us to go for an alternative than to have this saga drag on and only finding FDJ still in Barcelona when the transfer window is closed. The biggest issue why we're Frenkie or bust is because our scouting setup clearly can't provide an alternative...
 
The separate issue is not that of not buying a player of FDJ quality, but that if you buy another player then you have to recruit other positions, that would not necessarily be required if you get FdJ. It's not a simple factor of saying if we don't buy FdJ just buy X player who is not quite as good. I am assuming based on how he has set up teams before that he thinks bringing FdJ means he does not have to replace other players in the squad. For example if he brings in Tielemans instead, he then has to bring in other players to that midfield. If you bring in Neves you have to have a ball carrying, progressive midfielder, etc.

ETH has shown he is more than capable of constructing teams, based on players he has in the squad, one has to assume that his initial thought is that bringing in FdJ means he doesnt have to spend in other areas. Getting Neves/Tielemans/Ruiz etc would require not just the investment for that player, but other midfield investment.
He managed Ajax who's had a fraction of our budget, he'll be fine if we're forced to find alternatives.

The club is just in too deep now that walking away would make them look stupid for being strung along so long by Barcelona who's not operating in good faith.

Set a deadline and walk away.
 
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