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Frenkie to United?


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I hope you are right, that would be immense.
They can't register new players if they don't make money + reduce the wage budget. In a normal situation they would sell him. But being Barça they might have their backs covered by shady politicians.
 
Not about playing along though is it? If you don’t think the deal is a goer that’s fine, but coming in here banding around words like desperate and embarrassing is just unnecessarily fishing imo.
It is so fecking easy to troll like that.

Obviously the deal isn‘t dead, although on a respirator. It may die, get defibrillated and we end up getting Frenkie after all.

Real muppets believe and don‘t care what others think. If I come off desperate and get the woman of my dreams, what does it matter? If not, at least I tried.

Death or the Gladioli!
 
Selling Auba to pay off FDJ sounds kinda logical….. but that’s a woeful source!

His "source" he says is some dude who is the "Snake's Head", and personally knows Frenkie's agents/camp.

Grain of salt, of course. :lol:

He's been calling this medical at the weekend for a week now, so, he's gonna look foolish if/when it doesn't come to pass.

Still...........the Auba sale is the thin hope I hold onto that pushing the Frenkie move through, but, I have little optimism.
 
The deal looks quite straight forward to me and I never thought that it would drag all summer.

1. Man Utd desperately want FDJ
2. Barca and Man Utd agreed transfer fees
3. Man Utd have no problem paying FDJ wages
4. Barca want to sell FDJ or forced him to take paycut
5. FDJ make it clear that he won't take paycut
6. Barca don't need FDJ and use him as subs and even played him at CB
7. It's world cup year and FDJ needs to leave for first team football
8. FDJ work with ETH before and played his best football under him

All these points to no brainer that FDJ should already be Man Utd player long ago. Somehow, somewhere there are still gaps that we can't closed. But it's definitely still hope. It doesn't make sense for all parties (Man Utd, Barca and FDJ) if FDJ stays at Barca.
1 & 2 agreed.
3 is completely unknown - legal/tax reasons I suspect prohibits this.
4. Agreed.
5. He wont take a paycut to the extent Barca needed him to, but always thought if push comes to shove a compromise would have been reached.
6. Not true, he has started their last 2 games in midfield and Busquets leaves at the end of the season - the only reason now, they would want rid, is if they could get Bernardo Silva.
7. See above - he will play 1st team football.
8. A lot has been made of this and the fact he performs better in a double pivot I accept, however, he only played under EtH for 18 months, so we don't actually know if there is a special relationship there. Some reports have cast doubt on this.

In all the above, you are missing a key point - he loves the club and the lifestyle it brings. His wife clearly wants them to stay as well. Would your wife, allow you and your agent to solely decide where in the world you live - no. So ultimately the reason why this hasn't happened is because those on the players side don't want it to happen.

Barca are now NOT under the same pressure to get him off the wagebill, as by moving on fringe players such as Aubamayeng, Depay & Umtitti, allows them to comply with La Liga FFP and register Kounde & finalise Alonso.

This is 99.9% dead. United have spent the budget elsewhere, FDJ get's to stay on his full contract, and City keep Bernardo Silva. The only way this gets resurrected is Bernardo Silva pushes for the Barca move, which he doesn't seem like he will agitate for, and Barca re-negotiate affordable terms with Utd, pay's FDJ is deferred wages (Somehow) and convinces him to make the move, which he doesn't want to make.

It's not going to happen - sadly..
 
I remember a movie where some plucky Spartans went up against Persians with all the odds firmly stacked against them. The title, incidentally, was super close to 291 as well. Now, I did not watch more than 50% of that movie, but we must take hope in stories like that. Maybe those 2000 pages and/or the deal with De Jong will indeed have a similar conclusion as the film, which must have been epic and triumphant. I, for one will not despair yet.

The Spartans were crushed though by the Persians at Thermopolyae, their king Leonidas killed in battle and with Athens eventually being sacked.

Hardly a inspiring tale. :smirk:
 
Still...........the Auba sale is the thin hope I hold onto that pushing the Frenkie move through, but, I have little optimism.

Alas, I fear your hope is misplaced. If the reason Barca can’t move FDJ along is the lack of available cash, there would still be no reason for Auba to be sold or for United to pay additional sums to cover it. When th hypothetical FDJ to United transfer is closed, the money that would otherwise be wired upfront to Barca’s account would be reduced by the €17m and wired directly to FDJ. This “use of proceeds” split of closing sums is quite common, from real estate transactions to corporate M&A…Auba as another “lever” is just such bs.
 
There was a segment on skysports yesterday, I think it was where Damerseth said we are so keen that if De jong becomes available we maybe use some of next year's budget to sign him now.
The big If is, will he become available.

Don't get your hopes up, my man.

In any case, Casemiro is an excellent alternative to FDJ. You could argue he was the better option all things considered. At the very least we have someone who needed very little persuasion to join us in Casemiro, unlike FDJ were we've been nothing short of begging :p
 
Alas, I fear your hope is misplaced. If the reason Barca can’t move FDJ along is the lack of available cash, there would still be no reason for Auba to be sold or for United to pay additional sums to cover it. When th hypothetical FDJ to United transfer is closed, the money that would otherwise be wired upfront to Barca’s account would be reduced by the €17m and wired directly to FDJ. This “use of proceeds” split of closing sums is quite common, from real estate transactions to corporate M&A…Auba as another “lever” is just such bs.

Who art thou, o manner of man who vanquishes faint hope? :wenger:
 
Like I said last night we were either going to miss out on a DM and be lightweight or miss out on a CM and lack creativity
Yeah exactly, we were crying out for a proper DM and a metronome-type CM at the start. We have Casemiro, but I fear his impact will not be appreciated without a technical player beside him.
 
Yeah, some people lap that shit up...others don't. No big deal either way. Always the muppets that lose their shit though when everyone doesn't play along.

You could try a more diplomatic approach.

You know, the opposite of "Feck me, the desperation in here is embarrassing!".
 
Don't get your hopes up, my man.

In any case, Casemiro is an excellent alternative to FDJ. You could argue he was the better option all things considered. We have someone who needed very little persuasion to join us in Casemiro, unlike FDJ were we've been nothing short of begging :p
Nah, not begging. We agreed a deal and waited. If anything we have been too passive to force the issue. I can’t say I’ve seen any begging. ETH won’t talk about it even when asked, Barca have said we’ve conducted ourselves with utmost respect and done things the right way and I think we’ve been pretty classy.
 
Nah, not begging. We agreed a deal and waited. If anything we have been too passive to force the issue. I can’t say I’ve seen any begging. ETH won’t talk about it even when asked, Barca have said we’ve conducted ourselves with utmost respect and done things the right way and I think we’ve been pretty classy.

I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of this deal, but it certainly 'feels' like FDJ isn't willing to join us at this time. Whether it's an issue with his contract or reluctance to join a club outside the CL is open to debate, but I think we all know this deal is dead in the water as things stand. For the time being, at least.

Bringing in Casemiro was the end of this deal. I'm just being realistic about it.
 
I thought posting ITK was banned. This Kent guy's tweets I see on this thread is just someone in their room wanting some clout. Its an account opened in May, come to the end of it he will say the same thing Mark Goldbridge will about the De Jong deal, "The Glazers pulled the plug"

How can you be 90% sure when you already know the Glazers own the club? Clearly people like him and Goldbridge do this to say, I always knew we would sign him if it happens, then blame the Glazers if it doesnt.
 
I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of this deal, but it certainly 'feels' like FDJ isn't willing to join us at this time. Whether it's an issue with his contract or reluctance to join a club outside the CL is open to debate, but I think we all know this deal is dead in the water as things stand. For the time being, at least.

Bringing in Casemiro was the end of this deal. I'm just being realistic about it.

I so want to believe we will go in for him again next summer, however gut feeling is he won't be available again.
 
I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of this deal, but it certainly 'feels' like FDJ isn't willing to join us at this time. Whether it's an issue with his contract or reluctance to join a club outside the CL is open to debate, but I think we all know this deal is dead in the water as things stand. For the time being, at least.

Bringing in Casemiro was the end of this deal. I'm just being realistic about it.
It’s not over til the fat Laporta sings!
 
Yeah exactly, we were crying out for a proper DM and a metronome-type CM at the start. We have Casemiro, but I fear his impact will not be appreciated without a technical player beside him.

If you listen to Sheth the other night he suggested we have budgets for different areas of the team, trouble is because we needed a RB, LCB, DM, CM, RW & ST at start of the window we aren't able to splash it all on just a midfield rebuild.
 
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