Just sell him already .
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Fabian Ruiz, Neves, Kante, Milinkovic-Savic, Kalvin-Phillips, Tonali are some of alternatives we have been linked, one or 2 of them are good to start with.
Wish we can move Henderson/Martial/AWB/Baily/Fred/Axel/ to fund more players
Wish we can move Henderson/Martial/AWB/Baily/Fred/Axel/ to fund more players
I haven't followed news today clearly. What is this CVC thing and how does it affect Barca's willingness to sell De Jong?
Almost as if they had a sudden influx of cash…
Think its something to do with Spanish tv deal? Not 100% sure but basically it would have gotten Barcelona money and might have alleviated the need to sell some players. But they aren’t signing it for one reason or another
It was about selling off their TV rights as a club, would've helped them short term but it would've fecked with their revenue long term
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They now have 28 days to recover 590 Million Euros. They hope two independent deals they have in place will bring them €400m, the rest needs to come in players sales and salary reductions
They now have 28 days to recover 590 Million Euros. They hope two independent deals they have in place will bring them €400m, the rest needs to come in players sales and salary reductions
"ManUtd is the best club in the world" says every new signing and we all know it's lies.
Even Ten Hag said we were his *favourite English team* which is pretty much a yes but not really. It’s a stupid question.
I think United is playing the long game here. They could just pay what Barca wants now, or wait until the last moment where Barca would just have to accept any amount offered.
OR
This new management is just incompetent like the ones before them. Same ol' same ol'. Grrr.
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This new management is just incompetent like the ones before them. Same ol' same ol'. Grrr.
And then they want to register Christensen, Kessie and buy and register Lewandowski?
Oh and Alonso and Azpilicueta too of course.
How exactly should this work out?
The reported source is Tier 3 as per their reliability rating. Not official new by any means.
If they rejected it, he is 100% off. I mean the most priced asset on big wages and the area where they are well covered with talent (midfield). His sale in June is a no brainer. It will not be Xavi‘s decision either, the club will have to sell him.
We should make an offer for Pedri, just to focus their minds a little.
where can we buy him, which market?
Well well well. Hello Frenkie, hope you received confirmation from Barca now. It's time to discuss that new project with your former boss.
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Can’t you see this is exactly the same thing?
You say we should stay clear of a player that doesn’t want to leave Barcelona, but you don’t know what we are waiting for on another player who prefers Barcelona?
Both of them could have us as their second choice (or eighth for that matter) for all we know.
Same thing.
Do not know who mctorresa is but I believe this
Do we really want another player that doesnt really have desire to be here?
Wouldnt be suprised if ended up in City or PSG instead. What a beating the latter would be for Barcelona.
Wouldnt be suprised if ended up in City or PSG instead. What a beating the latter would be for Barcelona.
This is on like Donkey Kong
To the Flightradar24
Marca are Tier 4 according to their tier list, not certain about the journo. However, since they are not tier 10, this obviously on!
I read a column here in NL which described my thoughts on Frenkie de Jong perfectly. Its protected, but I will translate for you guys.. (sometimes roughly as he uses some dutch saying for which there is no direct translation)
Ronald Koeman started it and also Xavi stubbornly tries to find a player who is not there. Frenkie de Jong is not a midfielder who goes deep without ball and plays with the spaces without ball in front of the goal. He lack the dynamics and the feeling there. He is a player who is on his best when he gets heavily involved in the first phase of possession.
De Jong can break pressing machines and confuse plans of opponent managers, when he is played in his right position. Just ask Santiago Solari, Massimiliano Allegri, Roberto Mancini or Didier Deschamps. Or Luka Modric, Cristiano Ronaldo, Marco Verratti or Ngolo Kanté. Frenkie de Jong drove them crazy because he kept floating away from them like a weightless butterfly.
When he has the freedom to dictate play from the back with his passing and dribbling he creates spaces. When - like at Barcelona - he plays on the half of the opponent part of his talents will dissapear. De Jong needs to have the major of the game of play in front of him. Now everything happens in his back. No one would ever think of playing Erling Haaland or Kylian Mbappé from midfield. How crazy would you be.. But in some way there are mulitple managers who try to push De Jong in to a frame in which he clearly not fits.
At Barcelona he is trapped in a web of false expectations. He is being told he needs to score more. The real problem is rarely talked about. As long as Busquets is the compass of the team, the team can't be formed in a way that there is place for the real talent of Frenkie De Jong. Busquets is not comfortable in a 4231, meaning in the past three season not much has really changed.
Ten Hag has said something about this after De Jongs departure to Barcelona. That he functions best in a double 6 role and has a large degree of freedom to get involved in the game. In the year where he was voted amongst the best midfielders in the Champions League - as an Eredivisie player - he rarely scored goal. He did however have incredible impact on the build up of play.
In Catelonia there has not been a positive development since Xavi took over. His game became more unnotable and signs that Xavi is planning to move the game more De Jongs way arent there. The opposite sounds more true, that De Jong is being told in a very friendly way on the pitch that he is being kindly requested to play football somewhere else. If Pedri wouldnt have gotten injured, de Jong would have spent the final part of the season on the bench next to Memphis Depay. Now in stead he tagged along on the pitch on a place where he doesnt belong.
It is ofcourse no coincidence that Julian Nagelsmann jokes about wanting to bring Kylian Mbappé and Frenkie de Jong to Bayern more than anyone else. The German manager would be able to explain clearly why De Jong would be the ultimate player next to Joshua Kimmich. The last thing that would be expected of him there would be goals. De Jong needs a coach who plays him to his qualities.
The past three years we have been looking at a lesser version of what could be a inredible football player. The Spanish and Catelonian media are right when they conclude that for 86 million euros he has been a failure. Sporadically there was applause when the was decisive with a goal or assits. Never did Nou Camp see the playfull footballer who thought it was a good idea to trick Benzema in his own box. The cheerful midfielder who played with a smile on his face and had a smashing impact on the build up and attacking play. Thát Frenkie de Jong we will only see again when he has been freed from Barcelona.
Ronald Koeman started it and also Xavi stubbornly tries to find a player who is not there. Frenkie de Jong is not a midfielder who goes deep without ball and plays with the spaces without ball in front of the goal. He lack the dynamics and the feeling there. He is a player who is on his best when he gets heavily involved in the first phase of possession.
De Jong can break pressing machines and confuse plans of opponent managers, when he is played in his right position. Just ask Santiago Solari, Massimiliano Allegri, Roberto Mancini or Didier Deschamps. Or Luka Modric, Cristiano Ronaldo, Marco Verratti or Ngolo Kanté. Frenkie de Jong drove them crazy because he kept floating away from them like a weightless butterfly.
When he has the freedom to dictate play from the back with his passing and dribbling he creates spaces. When - like at Barcelona - he plays on the half of the opponent part of his talents will dissapear. De Jong needs to have the major of the game of play in front of him. Now everything happens in his back. No one would ever think of playing Erling Haaland or Kylian Mbappé from midfield. How crazy would you be.. But in some way there are mulitple managers who try to push De Jong in to a frame in which he clearly not fits.
At Barcelona he is trapped in a web of false expectations. He is being told he needs to score more. The real problem is rarely talked about. As long as Busquets is the compass of the team, the team can't be formed in a way that there is place for the real talent of Frenkie De Jong. Busquets is not comfortable in a 4231, meaning in the past three season not much has really changed.
Ten Hag has said something about this after De Jongs departure to Barcelona. That he functions best in a double 6 role and has a large degree of freedom to get involved in the game. In the year where he was voted amongst the best midfielders in the Champions League - as an Eredivisie player - he rarely scored goal. He did however have incredible impact on the build up of play.
In Catelonia there has not been a positive development since Xavi took over. His game became more unnotable and signs that Xavi is planning to move the game more De Jongs way arent there. The opposite sounds more true, that De Jong is being told in a very friendly way on the pitch that he is being kindly requested to play football somewhere else. If Pedri wouldnt have gotten injured, de Jong would have spent the final part of the season on the bench next to Memphis Depay. Now in stead he tagged along on the pitch on a place where he doesnt belong.
It is ofcourse no coincidence that Julian Nagelsmann jokes about wanting to bring Kylian Mbappé and Frenkie de Jong to Bayern more than anyone else. The German manager would be able to explain clearly why De Jong would be the ultimate player next to Joshua Kimmich. The last thing that would be expected of him there would be goals. De Jong needs a coach who plays him to his qualities.
The past three years we have been looking at a lesser version of what could be a inredible football player. The Spanish and Catelonian media are right when they conclude that for 86 million euros he has been a failure. Sporadically there was applause when the was decisive with a goal or assits. Never did Nou Camp see the playfull footballer who thought it was a good idea to trick Benzema in his own box. The cheerful midfielder who played with a smile on his face and had a smashing impact on the build up and attacking play. Thát Frenkie de Jong we will only see again when he has been freed from Barcelona.
Wish.com. I hear you get another Di Maria when you purchase him.
Thanks for posting that. I guess the next question is who will be the other #6?
Thanks for this! Seems like Bayern would be a good fit for all parts if they can afford him. I remember that De Jong started as a CB in Europa League final against us. Does he still have potential in that role?
How Uniteds first signing isnt sure to be a number six I´ll never understand.
It’s transfer season coming. May as well just stay unzipped for the next while
VDB?
Hardly. He plays like a mezzala in his favoured role, doesn't he. Where he ends up overlapping with the wide forward on the right, no? In any case, he's not what we need there, I don't think.
Phillips would be my choice.
What’s his attitude like out on the pitch? Need a few leaders and probably need him to get over the fact he’s been sold to us quickly too.
According to Ajax fans I watched on YouTube, he's not a leader. But who's out there available a leader?
That seems pretty accurate.
I wouldn't really blame Xavi or Barca, however, as its not necessarily easy to fit this kind of player into a lot of modern tactical systems. There isn't room for this kind of player in the midfield of Pep's City, which requires a real 6 to anchor the midfield rather than wander and then two 8s that play much higher and are more involved in the attacking third. He doesn't have nearly the defensive energy and off-the-ball workrate to play in a system like Klopp's. FDJ is a bit of a passenger without the ball, his defensive statistics and rate of involvement in pressures/tackles/interceptions/blocks are shocking and far lower than any other Barcelona midfielder.
So while massively talented it seems like FDJ needs a very specific system around him. Ten Hag obviously knows him as a player as well as anybody so I would back him to figure it out.
The number 6 shirt vacated by you know who, is waiting for him
No idea tbh. It’s just evident that we need fighters out there and not more shrinking violets.
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