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Frenkie to United?


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With all the whining in the Rabiot-thread about his wages... Are you comfortable that De Jong most likely won't accept less than he has at Barca today?

I think thats born out of people not being happy with Rabiot to start with, to be honest
 
Would you take a loss of us this round in exchange of De Jong?
Yeah, on the balance of things and seeing how far and away he's been ETH's number 1 target, I would if given the option, IMHO.

Maybe we immediately submit another bid if he joins Chelsea and keep chasing him.

Until ETH gets court restraining order.
:lol: hey i am a big ETH supporter but if we go to those lengths, I would have to question his appointment :nervous:
 
Timeline A - Frenkie comes, we beat Brentford and Liverpool, much joy is had by all and the bald messiah is born.

Timeline B - Frenkie goes to Chelsea, we lose to Brentford and Liverpool, the stadium is burned down and the Pep Guardiola is my idol is sacked by Christmas.

It’s a real sliding doors moment…
It's quite a worrying sliding doors moment for Ten Hag. The knives could come out quite early for him in timeline B.
 
A positive view.

Chelsea are signing Fofana for a shit load of money.
They might also bring in Auba.
And are apparently trying to land Casadei.

That means that Frenkie is just a smoke screen from Barca
Just like Rabiot and Savić are decoys from United.

It's a poker game.

Erik has decided to go all in for Frenkie.

The river is due soon.

Our percentages are high.

Keep the faith you wankers!
 
A positive view.

Chelsea are signing Fofana for a shit load of money.
They might also bring in Auba.
And are apparently trying to land Casadei.

That means that Frenkie is just a smoke screen from Barca
Just like Rabiot and Savić are decoys from United.

It's a poker game.

Erik has decided to go all in for Frenkie.

The river is due soon.

Our percentages are high.

Keep the faith you wankers!
Really wouldn't surprise me if de Jong is a cover whilst they sign the players they want with little to no fuss.

Fofana is well know, but Auba and Casadei isn't really published much. It's wishful thinking but you never know.
 
With all the whining in the Rabiot-thread about his wages... Are you comfortable that De Jong most likely won't accept less than he has at Barca today?

His normal salary was €260k p/w before this season started and the deferred payments were added on. Assuming the deferred money is sorted out we could pay him the same and he’d earn more than at Barca due to currency differences and slightly lower tax.

Whilst high, it’s still comfortably below Ronaldo and what we offered Pogba.
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?
 
Even though it’s unlikely, a midfield of FDJ, Rabiot and Bruno/Eriksen is something that would be of even more concern. That is possibly the most passive midfield in the league.

Where would the energy and legs come from? As terrible as he has been at times, Fred is still a requirement if that’s the options we have.
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?

Comes across as mostly wishful thinking at this point.
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?
Literally one journalist has said that. The same journalist who said Ronaldo played against Halifax and that we have a 20m transfer budget. Chelsea are reportedly prepared to pay it - which tells you why leaking their interest would be of benefit to Barcelona. You only need to look at this thread - it’s gone from we shouldn’t pay to pay him whatever he wants to see why it could have an impact.
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?

Surely they could demand a bigger fee when another buyer comes along?

And they are greedy cnuts in need of money.
Well, at least that's my viewing.
 
Rabiot is nothing like De Jong either. Neither is SMS to be fair but at least he’d bring quality.

De Jong is fairly unique, to be fair. His main attribute is his ability to dribble the ball through midfield, which is somewhat unusual for a player who likes to play as the deepest midfielder and pick up the ball from the CBs.

There are better passes around (Fabian Ruiz included) and better dribblers, but not very many players who perform the precise role he does in the way he does.

I'm not sure who would be the ideal alternative, given who's left. Ismaël Bennacer, maybe?
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?
who says we have a deal with the player? I don't believe Laurel & hardy have talked to the guy
 
Comes across as mostly wishful thinking at this point.
Indeed. Thats pretty much what it is. I did say in my post it's wishful thinking, but one can hope.

I do believe something has changed though which has caused Chelsea to act quickly
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?
I agree, the term smokescreen gets used too freely here ... I mean who exactly are smokescreens for? I highly doubt that daily twitter rumors about United even come on the radar of the boards of other clubs.
Smoke screens are primarily for the media and supporters, say that a club wants to do a high profile deal for a player but there is a real possibility that if wont come of which would lead to a bad mood amongst supporters.. so they leak a story about their interest about some xy player who they even dont wanna sign, or a player that they know they can sign quickly if needed. Then if the big move for the prime target is successful, they can pleasantly surprise supporters. But I highly doubt that other clubs concern themselves with reading random twitter rumors about the moves of their competitors. If there is something significant happening with a player they're interested in.. they get informed by that players agent and not from the media surely.
 
De Jong is fairly unique, to be fair. His main attribute is his ability to dribble the ball through midfield, which is somewhat unusual for a player who likes to play as the deepest midfielder and pick up the ball from the CBs.

There are better passes around (Fabian Ruiz included) and better dribblers, but not very many players who perform the precise role he does in the way he does.

I'm not sure who would be the ideal alternative, given who's left. Ismaël Bennacer, maybe?

Matheus Nunes?
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?

Exactly this. Barcelona are fully aware of the stance of both clubs and deals have already been agreed.

Nobody stands to gain a thing from peddling a false narrative that Chelsea are seriously in for FdJ.

Maybe Chelsea are using the deal as a smokescreen to tie up all their other business under the radar? Maybe they're just trolling and nefariously trying to stall our deal as a media circus over FdJ hurts us far more than them...

But none of that is likely. Their interest seems pretty conclusive
 
you have Mirror quoting the Daily Mail on that one.

That's like trying to clean vomit from your kitchen floor using watery diarrhea.
You can choose yourself which site represents what :lol:
do you think we are going to win this one? I see no sign of us being any closer than we were weeks ago
 
I agree, the term smokescreen gets used too freely here ... I mean who exactly are smokescreens for? I highly doubt that daily twitter rumors about United even come on the radar of the boards of other clubs.
Smoke screens are primarily for the media and supporters, say that a club wants to do a high profile deal for a player but there is a real possibility that if wont come of which would lead to a bad mood amongst supporters.. so they leak a story about their interest about some xy player who they even dont wanna sign, or a player that they know they can sign quickly if needed. Then if the big move for the prime target is successful, they can pleasantly surprise supporters. But I highly doubt that other clubs concern themselves with reading random twitter rumors about the moves of their competitors. If there is something significant happening with a player they're interested in.. they get informed by that players agent and not from the media surely.


So, what?
You think they're all honest among themselves, that they don't use smokescreens and decoys in a multimillion dollar business?

"Yeah, hi, sooooo, i'll have the duck orange....

-"Back to business, yeah, listen Laporta, we don't have anyone else on the wish list, it's just Frenkie or bust for us."

-"Ohhhh i see. Ok then."

Come on. Of course they use the newspapers and so call ITK's to put false rumours around.
 
A positive view.

Chelsea are signing Fofana for a shit load of money.
They might also bring in Auba.
And are apparently trying to land Casadei.

That means that Frenkie is just a smoke screen from Barca
Just like Rabiot and Savić are decoys from United.

It's a poker game.

Erik has decided to go all in for Frenkie.

The river is due soon.

Our percentages are high.

Keep the faith you wankers!

That sounds like something a Qanon nut job would say :lol:
 
I don’t understand why there’s a belief FDJ going to Chelsea is a smoke screen?

Who is trying to blur who’s vision? Why would Barca need to bluff anyone?

Utd have agreed a fee with Barca.
Utd have a deal in principle with the player.
Utd are reported to be happy to pay the deferred wages.

Why would anyone need to be bluffed?
Only reason I can think is to hurry things along.. Barca need to register their players for the weekend and there’s been an apparent stalemate between us and Barca on paying Frenkies owed wages all summer.

Personally I don’t think this is the case.. I do think Chelsea’s interest is genuine and at the moment I think he’s going there.
 
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