Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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How is this thread still going.
He's not coming to United.
He's not coming to United.
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If that's true then why would Barca have over the money? He's refusing to leave. He can't stay and have the next 3 years salary up front.
Would anybody still want de Jong if they knew it was for one year only? That would reek of small time desperation from us.
All of a sudden I want Nandos.
So it turns out that he actually didn't want to come to us all along ?
Hmm maybe what the journos have been saying in the media all along are right.
Pretty much sums up this transfer window:
Hmm maybe what the journos have been saying in the media all along are right.
Pretty much sums up this transfer window:
People really need to stop parroting this “they are only in the CL for one season that can change next year” line to try to make themselves feel better.
Chelsea have won the league twice and the Champions League twice since the last time we have won anything of relevance. Anyone who looks at the performances of the clubs over the last decade would struggle to point to any metric by which United are a more attractive proposition to join than Chelsea.
Agreed, a lot of people here are stuck in 2010.
We are all downbeat so what can we muppet over if not this, those leeches have really twisted the knife into us this summer
Barca barca barca Planca planca planca !
Music to my ears.
Palanca not planca.
Who cares anymore it's all just Frenkie Frenkie Frenkie levers levers levers!
Its all madness.
Palanca de sortida?
You have to give them credit -- only cockroaches have such survival rates. Not sure our fan base has the mental fortitude or stomach to undergo the journey that Barca fans have to endure. First Bartomeu and now Laporta? Makes Woodward seem like some normal CEO.
That Toy Story puppet has damaged us beyond repair and I don't see any way back now
You guys have to be kidding me. Firstly I said it’s a sign of how far the club has fallen. Because 10-12 years ago it’s pretty much unthinkable. Secondly I said if the money was the same, in the case of Mikel it was more money and agents and in the case of Hazard we weren’t willing to pay the agent fees. Thirdly Kenyon wasn’t a player. Fourthly I didn’t say I didn’t understand it now, I said it was a sign of how far the club has fallen. I don’t know about you but I’ve supported the club since the eighties and this choosing Chelsea thing is a recent occurence that has coincided with our dramatic implosion.
Yeah we have absolutely imploded
Hazard didn't choose Chelsea over United, Fergie pulled the plug because of his agents demands. Chelsea were the only team in England willing to pay them. This is common knowledge.
De Jong would choose Chelsea over United, and so would just about any player now. And why wouldn't they? Same money, better run club, more trophies, CL football every year (probably).
And if we have another fecked up era under Murtough and his merry band of clowns we'll end up being behind Arsenal and Spurs in the same way, even though they offer half as much in wages on average.
De Jong would choose Chelsea over United, and so would just about any player now. And why wouldn't they? Same money, better run club, more trophies, CL football every year (probably).
And if we have another fecked up era under Murtough and his merry band of clowns we'll end up being behind Arsenal and Spurs in the same way, even though they offer half as much in wages on average.
It's been a gradual decline since Ronaldo left United..."no value in the market" comments. Then SAF and Gill finally left. Moyes hiring was meh, but then he sacked the successful backroom team that was in place to help him in the transition from Everton to United...then for whatever reason Moyes was given so much transfer power with Woodward. Then the hiring of managers that never built on top of each other, as in zero continuity aside from underperforming and overpaid players.
Now with teams spending a lot more money and recruiting better (all of last season's top 4) and just allowing themselves to go through the necessary growing pains (Arsenal, Newcastle)....United have fully realized their gradual and very painful regression. It is not a recent occurence, it's been happening for the better part of 10 years.
To be fair looking at them im not quite sure if they're much different from cockroaches.
Those Spanish folk sure love to make things convoluted.
Agreed.
Woke up to news we've pulled out of the Arnautovic bid due to negative backlash from media and the fans. Really rammed home how screwed we are.
United, like media giants, have to be employing some type of 3rd party sentiment analysis when it comes to transfers and overall club news. There's too much brand, marketing, and image recognition they are privy to not to track this sentiment. They also sent out some surveys specifically around the time when Moyes was going to be sacked about what makes United special and why I'm a fan, etc. I took those surveys and was actually interviewed by the club and some of their folks..as were some of my friends who support the club.
I think milinkovic savic might actually be a better fit for us now that lazio have lowered his fee from £100m to £55m. Strong enough for the premier league and we don’t need to pay £450k/wk in wages
What?
you can't be serious.What?
I'm unfortunately being serious...especially the latter part re: Moyes.
We really are well and truly fecked until the glazers decide to sell.
I am pretty sure all top clubs do this. It's no different to any large corporation.
This wouldn’t change if we got new owners. All big clubs in the social media era do this.
Thats why the fan forums are really a PR show for both the Glazers and the militant fans -- they will know mainly the more militant or extreme ones will show up. These 3rd party surveys are much more diversified and bigger sample size, and probably a truer reflection.
I've said it all along that this can't be just because of the deferred wage issue. There's got to be a major reluctance on de Jong side to join us. We simply got played by de Jong and his agent. I think we did whatever we could to strike a deal with Barcelona. And if Frenkie want to pursue his deferred wages but wanted to join us, we'd hear about that from reliable journalist. We'd also would hear about how Frenkie and Barca would try to resolve the situation. And resolving the situation was also in Barca best interest because they needed the money and de Jong wage off the books. So the only one who's actually holding the deal was Frenkie himself.
He wanted to go to a CL club and was stringing us all along as his backup plan in case no CL club comes for him.
Once Chelsea wanted to come for him, the leaks in the media is different than the ones leaked about us. Suddenly he'd consider joining Chelsea because of the CL club.
The stupidity in our part was allowing to get played like this. I think ten Hag is really naive in his recruiting strategy, which would make sense as Overmars was the one orchestrating most of the recruitments. I get United wanted to support their manager, but at some point many weeks ago, they should pull the plug because it was clear that he didn't want to join us and only use us as a last resort. And it's illogical to think that United was the only one coming for him the longer this drags on
He wanted to go to a CL club and was stringing us all along as his backup plan in case no CL club comes for him.
Once Chelsea wanted to come for him, the leaks in the media is different than the ones leaked about us. Suddenly he'd consider joining Chelsea because of the CL club.
The stupidity in our part was allowing to get played like this. I think ten Hag is really naive in his recruiting strategy, which would make sense as Overmars was the one orchestrating most of the recruitments. I get United wanted to support their manager, but at some point many weeks ago, they should pull the plug because it was clear that he didn't want to join us and only use us as a last resort. And it's illogical to think that United was the only one coming for him the longer this drags on
Well the management team of Arnold and Murtough will have learnt something from this.
Who's got 4-6-billion US to spend? That's an extremely limited market.
Eh? I'm pretty sure a fair chunk of those active in this thread woild love it if we had Laporta running the show.
I'm not just talking getting the job done with transfers, he sure as feck is miles better than Woodward at pretty much anything related to running a football club.
Yeah I understand and that's why I can't see us getting out of this Glazer hole. Will just see what happens this season. Any last bit of optimism has gone over the past few days. Sorry to be a negative Nancy but I hope we can give a decent account of ourselves on the pitch.
Really? But using Woodward as the benchmark isn't fair. He was a poor CEO but at least he didn't run United into the financial ground where we needed levers and sold out our assets. And with the reports of some of the shadiness of these 25year deals etc? There will be some investigation into them I am sure.
Woodward was very poor but he isn't Laporta today (who was equally good at getting sponsors) and certainly not a Bartomeu.
You make it sounds like United is a school and not a multi-billion dollar business. Such incompetence will result in sacking at other smaller businesses.
Yep, as I said, there was a time when we were king of the hill in England. If a big stat was coming to England, it was United first and foremost. Now I don’t think we have any right to that position, but we worked hard to get there. A century of history and legacy. We’ve thrown it away to the point where City, Chelsea, Liverpool are all bigger draws than us, and we are competing in the same pool as Spurs and Arsenal for talent. We are somewhat wedged between the two.
Yeah the money was always going to talk with the plastic clubs, but United had that magic draw to it still. But those days are gone. The isn’t only living in distant memories, it’s not showing any signs of promise. We’ve only managed to keep pace on transfers by over paying both in fees and wages. Rewarding mediocrity on a mind boggling scale.
What this summer needed was sensible squad building, eschewing the policy of paying big fees for big players that either didn’t really want to be here, or were past their best. But we haven’t really done that. There have been no examples of superb scouting, unearthing gems or top up and coming talent. We’ve signed Martinez, Eriksen and Malacia, who I think are all good signings, but we’ve not made our squad much better, and we’ve failed to address the biggest gaps. What concerns me is that we now seem to be panicking, and I didn’t expect that from the new regime. The desperate pursuit of Arnautovich was truly hamfisted, only to pull out a couple of days later.
Players like Mazroui and Gravenberch should’ve been recruited months ago, and would’ve addressed two huge holes. The De Jong pursuit is shambolic. If we were moving for Sesko, it should’ve happened two months ago for example.
Not when they have basically only arrived themselves -- and dealing with a brand new manager. Its never a sacking-level botch-up anyway.
Forget the benchmark. If we brought in Lewandowski, Raphinha and were still trying to squeeze in Bernardo the entire caf would be fellating whoever was in charge.
Laporta didn't run the club into the ground. He ran the club from 2004 to 2010, I'd say he did a bloody good job.
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