Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

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This sounds much more like Barcelona trying to get another club involved in order to force a bidding war to the point where the deferred wages get covered. Maybe Chelsea will bite and maybe they won't but the 'he will prefer Chelsea because CL" stuff is all just people guessing. For all we know, his favorite English team might be United and with the Ten Hag connection this makes it even more acceptable. On the other hand, perhaps he grew up with Drogba as his idol and loves a bit of hooly culture - in which case, Chelsea is his dream English club.

See - we can all speculate just as well as these folk who are paid to do it ;)
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
It could also be a chance for them to pitch more than one destination to de Jong when they meet him and tell him he has to go. Instead of saying, "here's the offer we accepted from United, now pack your bags and a rain coat to Manchester," they can say, "here's your options, one of them is with your old manager and the other in London, if champions league next season is vital for you. Choose one but make it quick."
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That sounds like exactly what they're doing. In reality, Barcelona couldn't give a feck where he goes, they just want their money's worth and they want him gone.

United are not out of this and it can definitely be done. I'm more convinced now that the Chelsea interest and the fear of missing out may push them to get this done in any way possible. Whether that means they offer him more wages or Barcelona a higher fee, or something, I think we'll push to get it done.
 
Acquire Me said:
We are going to pay the deferred wages in the end. That's the end game and we are going to bite.
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Yeah i think thats the end game here... United are going to panic and pay up. Not something i want to happen, but i think thats what will end up happening in the end.
 
Acquire Me said:
We are going to pay the deferred wages in the end. That's the end game and we are going to bite.
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If the club actually rates De Jong, which they should. Then they shouldn't have an issue doing it, it's a good strategy to try not to but ultimately having the player is likely better than having 17m in your piggy bank.
 
Guys this isnt over, 2 weeks ago Fabrizio said Chelsea were in the background waiting to see if De Jong would become available, They will only bid when they get a green light from the player as they have been burnt recently on other players as we all know.
Until a bid goes in we are still firmly in the race, they have London and champions league and we have Ten Hag, we have to convince him at Utd he will be the fulcrum of the team and at Chelsea he will just be another midfielder. I will say again though, if Chelsea send in a bid then its over but until then we are in the drivers seat.
 
JPRouve said:
If the club actually rates De Jong, which they should. Then they shouldn't have an issue doing it, it's a good strategy to try not to but ultimately having the player is likely better than having 17m in your piggy bank.
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Agree with this. De Jong would be such a monumental upgrade on our current midfield that those 17 m extra are absolutely worth it.
 
There has to be something making ETH hang on. He is no idiot and by all accounts, completely meticulous in his planning and prep. It is so clear that Fred and McT lack the composure to be the first ball out from the defence. It’s a key key position for how we want to start playing. For ETH to wait so long for this signing…for me…there has to be something there that no journalist or insider is privy to.

I hope that is the case.
 
JPRouve said:
If the club actually rates De Jong, which they should. Then they shouldn't have an issue doing it, it's a good strategy to try not to but ultimately having the player is likely better than having 17m in your piggy bank.
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Pretty much, I'd argue having him a month ago with a pre-season is better than 17m in the bank too.
Although wasn't there a story that United couldn't actually pay it due to some tax implications... who knows anyway
 
Brownie85 said:
Yeah i think thats the end game here... United are going to panic and pay up. Not something i want to happen, but i think thats what will end up happening in the end.
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Why would it be about panicking. Logically being willing to pay it should be part of the clubs plans while not being the favored option, if the club eventually find himself at a stage where they do "pay" it then it likely has nothing to do with panicking.
 
GaryLifo said:
This sounds much more like Barcelona trying to get another club involved in order to force a bidding war to the point where the deferred wages get covered. Maybe Chelsea will bite and maybe they won't but the 'he will prefer Chelsea because CL" stuff is all just people guessing. For all we know, his favorite English team might be United and with the Ten Hag connection this makes it even more acceptable. On the other hand, perhaps he grew up with Drogba as his idol and loves a bit of hooly culture - in which case, Chelsea is his dream English club.

See - we can all speculate just as well as these folk who are paid to do it ;)
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It’s the same for saying his wife would prefer London to Manchester. For a couple just married and settling down why would that be relevant?

Nice house in the Cheshire countryside, more for your money and people who aren’t cnuts living at 100mph.
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty much, I'd argue having him a month ago with a pre-season is better than 17m in the bank too.
Although wasn't there a story that United couldn't actually pay it due to some tax implications... who knows anyway
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No, I wouldn't argue that. A pre season isn't worth 17m and never will.
 
Svartzonker said:
Nizaar Kinsella retweeted this tweet and he is also saying that Chelsea have made no contact with his agent Ali Dursun.

In my muppet mind this is just a power move from Frenkie’s agent. The player gets a better contract from us and the agent gets a larger comission from us.

Either way this will end soon.
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I think it's Barca pushing the Chelsea interest rather than his agent tbf
 
JPRouve said:
Why would it be about panicking. Logically being willing to pay it should be part of the clubs plans while not being the favored option, if the club eventually find himself at a stage where they do "pay" it then it likely has nothing to do with panicking.
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Then it should have been made clear weeks ago this was something we were willing to do and then do it, and stop this attempted hijacking occurring. To me, the club just lacks any sense of urgency with these kind of deals.
 
JPRouve said:
Why would it be about panicking. Logically being willing to pay it should be part of the clubs plans while not being the favored option, if the club eventually find himself at a stage where they do "pay" it then it likely has nothing to do with panicking.
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Yeah exactly whilst there’s only us officially bidding for the player then it makes sense to stick to our offer. If another club firmly comes in we will likely have wriggle room, as with any business deal, and then we will see what else we are prepared to do before walking away.

It’s just how negotiations work.
 
JPRouve said:
Why would it be about panicking. Logically being willing to pay it should be part of the clubs plans while not being the favored option, if the club eventually find himself at a stage where they do "pay" it then it likely has nothing to do with panicking.
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Depends on if the Chelsea interest was to materialise into a bid. They might see it as the only way to secure the player and just offer to pay it all asap.
I imagine it will be part of the plan, probably the absolute last resort but my guess is United have planned for this outcome
 
JPRouve said:
No, I wouldn't argue that. A pre season isn't worth 17m and never will.
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Its not about a pre season, its about having the player for the start of the season, fully fit and integrated into the team. He won't be available against Liverpool even if we sign him in my opinion, and losing too many points at the start of the season could be the ultimate difference between UCL and no UCL next season.
Of course that doesn't just go for FDJ, and if its to be believed that this deal has delayed other deals, then the point is even clearer
 
BluesJr said:
Then it should have been made clear weeks ago this was something we were willing to do and then do it, and stop this attempted hijacking occurring. To me, the club just lacks any sense of urgency with these kind of deals.
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Nah that’s not how you do business deals. You show your hand that early then you get pushed for more and more.
 
Cassidy said:
Its not about a pre season, its about having the player for the start of the season, fully fit and integrated into the team. He won't be available against Liverpool even if we sign him in my opinion, and losing too many points at the start of the season could be the ultimate difference between UCL and no UCL next season.
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Dropping points to Liverpool won’t make or break top 4
 
Cassidy said:
Its not about a pre season, its about having the player for the start of the season, fully fit and integrated into the team. He won't be available against Liverpool even if we sign him in my opinion, and losing too many points at the start of the season could be the ultimate difference between UCL and no UCL next season.
Of course that doesn't just go for FDJ, and if its to be believed that this deal has delayed other deals, then the point is even clearer
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De Jong isn't going to be difference between dropping or not dropping points against Liverpool. That kind of senseless points need to stop.
 
TheReligion said:
Nah that’s not how you do business deals. You show your hand that early then you get pushed for more and more.
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Once the fee had been agreed, that’s when it should have been made clear. If we don’t get this done it will be the worst transfer embarrassment in living memory.
 
TheReligion said:
Nah that’s not how you do business deals. You show your hand that early then you get pushed for more and more.
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Gotta agree there. If we said we're happy to pay his wages from the very beginning, then Barca would have majorly taken advantage of us.
It'll be something we're discussing in private, but we won't have told Barca about it i imagine, regardless of what any reporter has to say
 
WPMUFC said:
wait...so the chelsea links are simply the fact that they have approached Barca to look at all the players on the chopping block and Barca has encouraged Chelsea to look at them, and this includes FDJ.....and that's the entire basis of the story? That's the entire reason for the meltdown? :lol: Barca are encouraging more clubs to look at all "for sale" players, this also includes FDJ and this why we got 40 pages of meltdown, comments about the Muppets needing commiserations etc.....jesus christ. :lol::lol:
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This thread got Ornsteined!!
 
My confidence on signing him hasn't wavered at all.

Romero is a clown though. He's fishing for likes with his tweets lately.
 
BluesJr said:
Once the fee had been agreed, that’s when it should have been made clear. If we don’t get this done it will be the worst transfer embarrassment in living memory.
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As I said no, that’s not how you negotiate with people. You’d just get bled dry for every penny
 
Rnd898 said:
Simon Phillips has 294K followers, a little more than a few hundred. :lol:

He often has the likes of Matt Law or Fabrizio Romano as guests in his podcast so he probably knows a lot more than the average twitter fan account. Not saying he's 100% reliable but as a source for Chelsea news he's always seemed good to me.
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So is he like Chelsea’s version of Mark Goldbridge?
 
JPRouve said:
De Jong isn't going to be difference between dropping or not dropping points against Liverpool. That kind of senseless points need to stop.
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If you read my post you will see its not just FDJ, and its also not just Liverpool either.
This deal has delayed other deals, we are very light in attack and we are at risk of dropping points especially if we pick up an injury to someone like Sancho or Dalot

This deal shouldn't really have delayed others though, so there is that
 
TheReligion said:
As I said no, that’s not how you negotiate with people. You’d just get bled dry for every penny
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Then what was the point of negotiating if we are going to end up giving Barca everything they want anyway?
 
KirkDuyt said:
I'm losing faith on this somehow. Someone needs to reignite me belief and zeal for this to happen.
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Stay the course KD. You are Dutch. FDJ is Dutch. What other evidence do you need? He's on his way.
BluesJr said:
If we don’t get this done it will be the worst transfer embarrassment in living memory.
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:lol: Honestly. Even if it was 'the worst transfer embarrassment in living history' (which i doubt it will be by the way) so what?
 
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