Just a bit of a reach.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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So you are leaving permanently.
Chelsea 5/4 favourites to sign him now
Ornstein tweets carry more weight for the market than Elon Musk's.
A lot of posts in this thread about this deal being "on" have been based around inferences and chaining together information so I'm just going to put this out there.
Last week there was a Utd brief that alternatives are being kept warm. Over the last few days there's been suggestions that De Jong would prefer London and CL, and the last couple of days Chelsea's name has started to come into it. Yesterday Neves' name came into picture.
So is it possible to infer from that, that Chelsea started, getting involved last week, Utd starting getting bad feedback and are floating alternatives because this went south quickly?
Just to be clear, I'm not stating that is the case, because I'm not certain of anything. But it seems plausible.
Last week there was a Utd brief that alternatives are being kept warm. Over the last few days there's been suggestions that De Jong would prefer London and CL, and the last couple of days Chelsea's name has started to come into it. Yesterday Neves' name came into picture.
So is it possible to infer from that, that Chelsea started, getting involved last week, Utd starting getting bad feedback and are floating alternatives because this went south quickly?
Just to be clear, I'm not stating that is the case, because I'm not certain of anything. But it seems plausible.
Well there you have it. Confirmation of what any sane person had figured out weeks ago.
He was never going to sign for us.
He was never going to sign for us.
Maybe Barca need to offload De Jong in order to sign Azpilicueta and Alonso from Chelsea, so they called in a little favour for Chelsea to leak a story and push us to pay the deferred wages or convince Frenkie to take less of what he's owed?
We don't hang in there for this long without assurances from the player, surely?
Whatever happens, if we end up buying Ruben fecking Neves then we really are in trouble. Not because he's a terrible player, but because he's not worth what they'll ask for him and he's not a significant upgrade. It's a Wan Bissaka like signing that just shows we're not learning from our mistakes.
I'd rather throw Garner in, honestly.
We don't hang in there for this long without assurances from the player, surely?
Whatever happens, if we end up buying Ruben fecking Neves then we really are in trouble. Not because he's a terrible player, but because he's not worth what they'll ask for him and he's not a significant upgrade. It's a Wan Bissaka like signing that just shows we're not learning from our mistakes.
I'd rather throw Garner in, honestly.
Don’t say that! In it till the bitter end brotherI was over this deal a week ago mate
I stopped following it for the most part and just checked in now and then.
I’ve already come to terms with potentially Not getting him.
Don’t let those 2000 souls (posts) die in vain
Personally don’t think it’s over yet. We will see.
If he joins Chelsea now, it certainly adds credence to the stories that:
1) He never wanted to join United
2) CL football was indeed significant for him
Which makes this entire 14 week pursuit look utterly deranged.
1) He never wanted to join United
2) CL football was indeed significant for him
Which makes this entire 14 week pursuit look utterly deranged.
Such a weird reasoning. Did I end up in a West Ham forum.
You guys do know how to lose your minds one way or the other.
I’m going down with this ship mate. I can see the iceberg though.
At least the lads had a great time in Barcelona
The clubs did their role. They actually got a deal in place with Barcelona. ETH failed in convincing him to join him at the club.
He should stick to the training ground
He should stick to the training ground
And it's worrying that despite the vaunted revamp of upper management, we are doing the exact same thing that failed several years in a row. Hell, even if we somehow managed to get De Jong against all odds, I'd still be worried that all of our transfer targets seem to be players our manager knows personally.
If you banged Kate Winslet on the way there though, it was totally worth it
I think this is a classic case of overrating a transfer target and building him up to stupid levels on here.
He hasn’t exactly shone at Barca. Excuses about Busquets being in his position or the manager not knowing how to use him (to be fair ETH said this) doesn’t disguise the fact he’s been underwhelming for them. It’s just trying to explain it all all away.
Honestly think our side is crying out for a DM, someone who can pass a bit but tidy up behind Eriksen. I was always stumped as to how a de Jong and Eriksen midfield wold work, especially in England.
I’m actually quite looking forward to Goldbridge today. Probably be Chernobyl FM
This guy was never coming to United.
What irks me more is the club spending months chasing him and not lining up any alternatives.
The moment we realized Barca was fecking Frenkie over, we should have withdrawn the offer and looked for alterntives.
We need to be equally as ruthless in the transfer marker as we look to be on the pitch.
Stop. Fecking. Around.
What irks me more is the club spending months chasing him and not lining up any alternatives.
The moment we realized Barca was fecking Frenkie over, we should have withdrawn the offer and looked for alterntives.
We need to be equally as ruthless in the transfer marker as we look to be on the pitch.
Stop. Fecking. Around.
The hold up has always been the deferred wages. That isn't the fault of United.Waiting if he didn’t want to join and let someone else steal him obviously
If Chelsea decide to pay the wages for Barca, that isn't 'letting' anyone steal him.
United's modus operandi in those situations though is to brief Ducker/Stone etc. that we have pulled our interested due to [insert lame excuse nobody believes]. Ornstein going with Chelsea interest is bad for us, but the fat lady hasn't appeared on stage yet. Also the issue has seemingly never been about agreeing fee with Barcelona.
It's not. We're still going to sign him, this is just the first actually interesting moment in the saga for months. Business is picking up! Choooo choooooooo!
Remember that idiot who said he’d happily have his account deleted if De Jong didn’t sign? I bet that guy feels pretty stupid.
Judging by our targets, he is?
Proof is in the pudding.
I’m aware of the situation mate, I didn’t say it was the fault of Barcelona. United have been given false assurances from someone and been strung along.
What a grade A muppet, though
Players. I don't think it was all that great how easily Timber was swayed by Van Gaal either
The lure of playing at your first World Cup is pretty strong.
And whos fault is that then?
I am on vacation but still can't wait for this fecking month to end
Yep that would be a good buy two players who would be an upgrade on the MF that we have now. Question now is will the club move on from FDJ and move quickly or will they still give pursuit for FDJ and have no new MF at end of the transfer window.
Yup.
Makes Murtough and Arnold's little trip to Barcelona look like when Woodward left Moyes' preseason tour for urgent transfer business.
Funnily enough Fabregas, ultimately, ended up at Chelsea.
History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme...
This place is going to be chaos when United fund Chelsea’s deal for De Jong by buying Kante on deadline day.
All jokes aside, my main concern about us publicly chasing a player who doesn’t want to join is that the asking price for Target B & C will now be a damn lot closer to €80 million.
All jokes aside, my main concern about us publicly chasing a player who doesn’t want to join is that the asking price for Target B & C will now be a damn lot closer to €80 million.
How does it serve us right if we don't get him then?
I think that might have been me when I was drunk.
Honestly, I'm happy to stick by it; having my account deleted from here if this deal goes tits up would be absolute blessing.
The phrase "confidence a deal can be completed" worries me. To me that indicates a willingness from the players' end.
Serious questions to be asked if they wrap this one up quickly now. Hope it's just another twist in the saga though.
Serious questions to be asked if they wrap this one up quickly now. Hope it's just another twist in the saga though.
What? I didn’t say it would?How does it serve us right if we don't get him then?
So hard to tell if we are absolute idiots in this saga or if he joins us after all and it was just a waiting game. Guess we find out in the next weeks
I’ve been negative on this deal all summer, probably over negative in all honesty because I thought he’d stay at Barce. It would be a new low if he joins Chelsea after we’ve chased him for 3 months.
Complete embarrassment for the new manager and ‘transfer team’ in their first ever window. We needed a big summer and it’s turned into a mess.
Complete embarrassment for the new manager and ‘transfer team’ in their first ever window. We needed a big summer and it’s turned into a mess.
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