Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

Frenkie to United?

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AndySmith1990 said:
Beginning to think Barcelonas attitude is feck it, we're in so much debt as it is we may as well keep spending as it makes no difference to how fecked we are in the long term
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In for a penny in for a pound.

Or , as J Paul Getty famously said

”If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.”
 
I wonder if all these Barca supporters were appalled when Frenkie’s deal was agreed in the first place. Probably not.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I like a lot of your posting work but this is all wrong. First off; you wouldn’t be baby sitting your own child in this hypothetical. You don’t ‘baby sit’ a child that’s yours. You’d be simply caring for it.

But the problem is that we shouldn’t be ’pulling out’ in the first place. Pulling out is what you do with random one-nighters, where you run around mid-deposit, wiping yourself on her curtains to the tune of Don’t Stop Me Now as she chases you out of the house with something sharp. When you truly love someone you remain where you are, top of the Reverse Triple Donkey Twister position, shouting ’AND SOLSKJAER HAS WON IT!!!’ as your propeller hat spins around and THEN you run around wiping yourself on her curtains.

I swear, kids nowadays know feck all about romance.
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croadyman said:
Surely if that's the case Whitwell, Ducker & co would talk up this deal a lot more
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It’s either that or we are chasing a player we know full well isn’t joining us.

I just can’t fathom that.
 
Redcy said:
He isn't really an alternative to de Jong, he is a different player we can take, he is not at all in the same class as de Jong, nor does he strictly speaking have the same playstyle other than he picks the ball in midfield off defenders, the difference in quality is huge, but if we are seeking a player as an alternative option he would be a possibility. As people have mentioned though if you think getting FdJ away from Barca has been difficult, wait until you try and get players from Napoli, especially when Koulibaly just left. If we can get him it will be a similar deadline day deal, with the Caf going into suicide watch.

Ruiz is much less defensive than de Jong, and won't drop into the CB role as cover when say Lisandro steps out, he definitely is not a defensive screen, plays more like Xavi than Busquets.
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The two bolded parts contradict each other.

Anyway, I don't agree that the difference in quality is "huge". In terms of getting him out of Napoli, he has 11 months left on his contract, so De Laurentiis is likely to be more amenable than usual.
 
JJ12 said:
It’s either that or we are chasing a player we know full well isn’t joining us.

I just can’t fathom that.
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Yeah I know we are run by morons but surely even this lot aren't that stupid to pursue someone not interested in coming
 
Nicoseth said:
Eh, moral debt? How about ACTUAL debt too - don't they owe him like 100m in unpaid wages? This guy is the worst.
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“We have a moral debt to pay our players their agreed wages… is what you’d think I’d say” Laporta… probably.

At this point, let them keep spending. Once every barrel has run dry then how will the Barcelona apologists respond..
 
romufc said:
Let me tell you why I think they are run worse than us.

1. Barca have had to pull economic levers to get signings.
2. They re-structured their debt in January, still they are in financial issues
3. They agreed to pay a player x amount but are backing down on that.
4. They owe players wages.

In respects to Ronaldo, just because a player wants to leave, does it mean a club is run badly?

Lewandowski said he wanted to leave Bayern, does that mean they are run badly?
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5. Depsite all the above financial wranglings, they still can’t register new signings without either a) selling more club assets at Poundland reduced prices (keep pulling those leavers Laporta) or b) selling players they currently own

Shambles of a club :lol:
 
After 1117 pages. Same opinion as before. Stay away from him. He is not good enough, takes to much money and time and not what we need.
 
Do they really still owe Messi his wages? Or is that BS
 
Godfather said:
How the feck are they buying a whole new football team
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It’s kinda the same as you or me taking a huge payday loan out, buying a sports car, furnishing the house, going on a world cruise & hiring an in house chef. Oh, and skipping my child support payments at the same time.

Great while it lasts, but unless my lottery numbers come up (and I miss playing most weeks) it’s going to come crashing down sooner or later.
 
Gandalf said:
They owe both him and Pique between 40M and 50M each in deferred wages and there are others owed lesser amounts.
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So the deferred wages may not actually be the hold up if Messi is away from the club and getting paid his deferred wages?
 
If they're after Bernardo, then they're confident that Frenkie is leaving.. and not on some BS loan.

The spanish press have literally been reporting that they'll only get Bernardo if Frenkie goes.

Frenkie Friday is real.
 
Its embarrassing how this thread gets updating twice every second for a player Barcelona are treating like like a bag of poop.
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JJ12 said:
So the deferred wages may not actually be the hold up if Messi is away from the club and getting paid his deferred wages?
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Except we don't know how the contracts work, one would assume Messi had smarter lawyers who made sure it was written into his contract he would get his money no matter what. Frenkie seems to have signed a deal which says the deferred wages are just salary. If you don't work here you are not due them. If he leaves he gets nothing.
 
JJ12 said:
So the deferred wages may not actually be the hold up if Messi is away from the club and getting paid his deferred wages?
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Messi deferred wages in the last year of his contract and so the deferred sum went into some sort of payment plan. Frenkie had years left on his contract so his deferment was rolled into future years of his contract. The holdup therefore is Barca saying that money is future wages and therefore not owed if he leaves whilst Frenkie takes the view that if he is to leave he wants the previously deferred amount separated from future earnings and paid to him either as a lump sum or under some instalment arrangement.
 
Redcy said:
Except we don't know how the contracts work, one would assume Messi had smarter lawyers who made sure it was written into his contract he would get his money no matter what. Frenkie seems to have signed a deal which says the deferred wages are just salary. If you don't work here you are not due them. If he leaves he gets nothing.
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Gandalf said:
Messi deferred wages in the last year of his contract and so the deferred sum went into some sort of payment plan. Frenkie had years left on his contract so his deferment was rolled into future years of his contract. The holdup therefore is Barca saying that money is future wages and therefore not owed if he leaves whilst Frenkie takes the view that if he is to leave he wants the previously deferred amount separated from future earnings and paid to him either as a lump sum or under some instalment arrangement.
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Well explained. Cheers.
 
Ragnar123 said:
All Laporta and his board does is negotiation. Is that forbidden? It's ridiculous how you all fire up yourselves on the nerrative him being treated badly.
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It's not forbidden but pressuring a player to accept a wage cut while the club is signing everyone under the sun this summer is pretty scummy, particularly after he had already agreed to help out Barcelona by deferring his wages once.

It has nothing to do with narratives or hate or anything, it's just such an obvious dick move.
 
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Gandalf said:
Messi deferred wages in the last year of his contract and so the deferred sum went into some sort of payment plan. Frenkie had years left on his contract so his deferment was rolled into future years of his contract. The holdup therefore is Barca saying that money is future wages and therefore not owed if he leaves whilst Frenkie takes the view that if he is to leave he wants the previously deferred amount separated from future earnings and paid to him either as a lump sum or under some instalment arrangement.
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Yes. Having agreed to be flexible and help the club out in the past, I am sure he would be quite reasonable about how and when he gets the money but it is not reasonable to ask him to forgo the money.
 
Anyway. Can anyone explain of why Barca needs all these levers to get money, while United can have 500m in debt without sacrificing future TV rights and such? Thanks.
 
Siorac said:
It's not forbidden but pressuring a player to accept a wage cut while the club is signing everyone under the sun this summer is pretty scummy, particularly after he had already agreed to help out Barcelona to defer his wages once.

It has nothing to do with narratives or hate or anything, it's just such an obvious dick move.
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It just proves that if Barca don't value you, they'll absolutely let it be known they don't, all whilst trying to portray this "loving family club" image.
He's been booted out of his favoured position, moved to CB, then told he's going to be a backup CB at that as Kounde and Arujo are "the future".
 
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