Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Not a big day today...
Unfortunately for them, De Jong holds all the cards.
Everyone knows it's about the money.
Their situation is bonkers. You're meant to sell off assets if it turns out you can't afford them. Keeping them and asking them to take less so you don't have to fulfil your obligations is crazy unprofessional. They don't want to make the sacrifices needed to balance the books and are asking the players to do it for them.
Why are they keeping these players if they can't afford and why are these players so thick they are willing to go with it? This is just bad faith negotiating, they are even publicising the requests so there's blowback from the fans. This would be a ticking class action lawsuit anywhere else.
Why are they keeping these players if they can't afford and why are these players so thick they are willing to go with it? This is just bad faith negotiating, they are even publicising the requests so there's blowback from the fans. This would be a ticking class action lawsuit anywhere else.
It's more bonkers than that, because they're continuing to buy even more assets. They've spent over a £100m in transfer fees, while stating they can't afford to meet their current obligations.
I'm astonished that this isn't a big news story. How are Barca doing this under the rug. Only seems like we are discussing this.
Demanding current players take a reduced salary but still signing new players and paying them top dollar! It's fecking criminal i tell you! Criminal!
And where is that lever money going? We all know - new players and their salary, while the current players die of starvation (ok not really but still)
Demanding current players take a reduced salary but still signing new players and paying them top dollar! It's fecking criminal i tell you! Criminal!
And where is that lever money going? We all know - new players and their salary, while the current players die of starvation (ok not really but still)
Barca's treatment of DeJong reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote
One of the worst fanbases in the world.The state of the club and fans
Either way Laporta will come out as a winner. If he stays, he would be on lower salary and if he moves, the fans will see it as FDJ wanting money over Xavi.
Surely there are some labour abuse laws that Barca are violating here ? Honestly I would like FDJ to come but part of me would prefer if he just takes Barca to the court for the shambolic treatment they are giving him.
So not only they deferred his wages for 17m total, but they're also asking him to take a pay cut.
And that barca joker on twitter called FdJ immoral.
And that barca joker on twitter called FdJ immoral.
Wow, things have died down in this thread. One response in a couple of hours? It's like I'm on BarcaForum
Good for him for his stance but my goodness how stupid you can be if he agree to another reduce wage, Frenkie.
He's settled and happy with his life there. Money and accumulating as much wealth as possible isn't the goal for everyone. He's still going to earn more money than he realistically needs to live a very fulfilling and comfortable life.
The way Barcelona are treating him is absolutely disgraceful of course. But if coming to some mutually agreeable solution allows him to stay where he wants and be perfectly happy, then nobody should judge him too harshly.
Muppets gotta sleep too you know.
Busy days at work and tired at night means I've not been on as much unfortunately. 3 weeks Annual Leave starts today though soooo
That’s just not true.
We had Danny Murphy talking about this just the other day, when a player moves, they agree a severance package with the current club. If for example a player like Murphy is moving from Liverpool to Charlton, he’s likely to be leaving a lot of money on the table. The severance deal is what convinces players like Murphy to make the move rather than just sit on his contract and play in the reserves.
Frenkie has no legal right to just leave and get the rest of his contract paid out, as has been explained about a million times by top sources and posters on here, he has been paid as per his deal, to date; and for the following 4 years he is to be paid at a much higher rate. If he doesn’t do a deal now with Barça regarding those next 4 years, he has no claim to it when breaking contract.
Frenkie’s hardline stance is apparently that Barça have two choices, pay him 80m or so over the next four years, or pay him 17-20m now for him to consider a move. The 17-20 is what they feel is owed due to them renegotiating his deal with Barça in 2020 to help out the club during Covid by taking a deal with a drastically reduced wage for 2020-21 and 21-22.
On principle alone I’m right behind them and his team here, even if his new club could pay say 10m of that to him, feck Barça, if they want him to leave after he sacrificed so much, the cnuts can pay and pay themselves. He has all the power to make them pay his contract, by staying, or by agreeing a massive package to compensate him for those two seasons and for his loyalty bonuses. I respect that.
Not sure how many times this needs explaining in here.
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How is salary cut would be enough? 50% salary cut would only give Barcelona 9m euro. If that's what they need, they would be able to resolve it in different way since it's only 9m, which something they can get from selling other players. The reason why they can't solve it in different way is because they need much more than just 9m, thus why they need to sell De Jong. Initially they need 700m, which now became 200m since they got 500m from the TV rights. They can reduce that 200m to 100m by selling Frenkie.
The club is treating Frenkie badly to make him not feeling comfortable and being forced to leave. This happens to some employees in companies where they want to fire a person but they couldn't because they don't want to pay the compensation, so instead, they use this type of method where they treat the employees like a trash and then the player will eventually feel sick of it and decides to have enough and leave.
The club is treating Frenkie badly to make him not feeling comfortable and being forced to leave. This happens to some employees in companies where they want to fire a person but they couldn't because they don't want to pay the compensation, so instead, they use this type of method where they treat the employees like a trash and then the player will eventually feel sick of it and decides to have enough and leave.
He absolutely has a right to remuneration for services already provided. I don't know who the hell explained that garbage to you but I can tell you now they either know jack about employment and contract law or you've criminally misunderstood what was explained. The severance package you just now explained deals with losses in future earnings not arrears for services already provided. These are two separate issues of law and have different guiding principles in how they will be determined. If a sale will earn you less at your new club the old club may agree to cover the difference in wages. Furthermore when dealing with losses in future earnings a severance package isn't always automatic and may depend on several things like who initiated the sale/contract termination. A player who initiates it might find it harder to negotiate a full severance. Don't go around quoting issues of law you don't fully understand. They often contain many contexts and caveats and don't apply across every situation.
If Barca owe FDJ for the services he has already provided, he is owed that money has a right. A move might make the payment of his arrears less straightforward but he is absolutely entitled to the arrears. What he isn't automatically entitled to if he moves clubs are future wages.
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You lucky, lucky bastard.Busy days at work and tired at night means I've not been on as much unfortunately. 3 weeks Annual Leave starts today though soooo
2000 here we come!
His deal, according to all top sources was restructured like this:
2020-2021: 3m /year
2021-2022: 6m /year
2022-2023 onwards: 17-18m /year + bonuses
And all top sources are saying the issue is that he has been paid, in full, for 2020-21 and 2021-22; or as you are saying “services already provided”.
If he wants what he feels is “owed” he has to stay, or agree a severance.
You are making the mistake that he deferred wages on his original deal, he didn’t, he penned a completely new deal, with a full restructuring of his wages over the 6 seasons.
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Woke up this morning feeling fine,
Got Frenkie Friday on my mind.
Got Frenkie Friday on my mind.
Busy days at work and tired at night means I've not been on as much unfortunately. 3 weeks Annual Leave starts today though soooo
Mad to think that he’ll be here by the time you’re back at work.
In this case the determination of the arrears owed will be determined by the difference of the original contract relative to the revised restructured one. The player should honestly just file a claim with whatever tribunal or arbitration panel oversees these things or Barca will ride him for a fool and pocket his wages.
I'm actually now thinking we might have hired Keane's legal firm on this specific issue. I can see how it will cause a lot of confusion in sorting out who is owed what and how much.
No they won’t, the original contract is completely null and void. No-one put a gun to his head to sign a new deal, he signed in on those terms and has been paid in full to date.
He still has every right to his money though, he just needs to stay for the next 4 seasons.
Or he could chance his luck in court, but considering he willingly accepted a new deal, he’d had a very difficult case to prove against FC Barcelona here. They absolutely have paid him according to the terms of his existing contract.
Okay we're making progress here. It's not null and void automatically. It will depend on whether the new one is a revision of the old or a complete replacement. The latter is unlikely if FDJ had the bare minmum legal representation. Most legal pros don't just tear up the old contract. They make sure the changes are revisions rather than complete replacement clauses so that recourse can be made to the parties original intentions if something goes wrong. This is where legal drafting comes into the fray. Depending on the jurisdiction's contract laws they might even be required to make an express provision for the old one to be completely replaced. It's the foundational agreement afterall.
Frenkie’s agent/legal team must have screwed up or been screwed over along the way as it’s clearly a case that Barca think they can wriggle out of their commitments while Frenkie’s team must also realise that they screwed up as the stance both sides are taking is a hard line.
If it was cut and dried then this would have been openly discussed by FDJ’s team and pressure applied and exposed.
The fact it isn’t tells you that the only position he can take is to sit tight and change and agree to nothing. Who blinks first?
If it was cut and dried then this would have been openly discussed by FDJ’s team and pressure applied and exposed.
The fact it isn’t tells you that the only position he can take is to sit tight and change and agree to nothing. Who blinks first?
And top sources that aren’t RAB or Greck on the caf are reporting that he signed a completely new deal, even extending the years of his contract.
Just like Bruno recently signed a new deal with a 100% pay rise, if he leaves next Summer United can’t legally claim back the 120k extra /week they paid him for 2022-23 more than what was on his original contract. The club willing signed a new deal to pay him 120k more per week.
Bruno signed a completely new deal, restructuring his pay, bonuses and length of time, exactly as the reports say Frenkie did.
Hence why this transfer is in this daft situation.
It does not matter how crooked Barcelona is.
The only thing that matter is if FDJ wants to come to us or not.
If the later is the condition then we should go all out, if he does not want to come, pull the plug.
Having a player that doesn't fancy the moves would just be potentially damaging (see Pogba)
The only thing that matter is if FDJ wants to come to us or not.
If the later is the condition then we should go all out, if he does not want to come, pull the plug.
Having a player that doesn't fancy the moves would just be potentially damaging (see Pogba)
This is an issue of law, a professional would have to look at the contracts to determine where the rights lie. It's not something you just infer from layman language used in tabloid articles. My answer is it depends on what is in the agreement. You're the one who seems to think he knows serious issues of law on the basis of shallow tabloid garbage. Neither of us know the finer points hence why I keep saying it depends. I'm not claiming concrete knowledge either way because I know it is fact sensitive and I don't have the facts. All i can do is state general guiding principles of law for how these things are resolved.
Of course it depends on the agreement, but we’re not two months into a transfer saga with every single (Telegraph aint a tabloid nor are the beeb) top journo claiming the “owed wages” are a massive hurdle.
If he was simply owed them legally, it wouldn’t be an issue.
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She would have to live in a tent in Manchester by some of you one here.
And isn't the dutch weather more similar to the one in England?
She would have to live in a tent in Manchester by some of you one here.
And isn't the dutch weather more similar to the one in England?
People defo forget they’ve spent like 90% of their lives in Englishy weather
Yes exactly. The weather and the lifestyle won't be a deciding factor in this kind of complex situation.
This has stretched too long. Going to take a break. Let's just agree to pick up where we left off another time, preferably never. The specifics are getting somewhat tedious.
This is worse than Sunset Beach.
Big day today.
Wonder what todays innate discussion will be? The quality of the boutiques, spas and beauty clinic of the Manchester area in comparision to Barcelona maybe.
Wonder what todays innate discussion will be? The quality of the boutiques, spas and beauty clinic of the Manchester area in comparision to Barcelona maybe.
OK teacher. You come across like a teacher I used to hate and would loved to have smacked. Goodbye.
I’m not surprised they hated you too if you kept talking about “monies” like a babbling moron
They're wrong about the term monies of course.
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