Did Barca sign Aubameyang permanently ?
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for 0 fees in January. Arsenal just sold him for free.
ffs
you an itk?
clearly not but the thing about the three conversations is true. i have a source that reckons ten hag phoned and begged frenkie to join. frenkie was adamant he is happy at barcelona and ever eth promising that frenkie could go to hollywood mid-season every year and visit universal studios, he still rejected the move.
eth then phoned two subsequent times and affected a spanish accent and pretended to be xavi. he informed frenkie that he wasn’t in his plans going forward and if he had had any contact with other clubs he should probably pursue it. eth nearly got away with it but frenkie caught wind of what was going on when ‘xavi’ said that he “should go for some tapash and think about it.”
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This is a joke, right?
passing the phone over to McClaren was definitely a mistake in hindsight
I can see Madrid going for him now that the turtle rejected them.
No, I have seen the same reports, main stream media will catch onto this soon.
There's no hype around them, that's the point. They played above themselves because of others and did good jobs. And by the way, anyone saying Savage was anything close to being fair (let alone good) loses the argument immediately!!
I know lots of peoples' name, doesn't mean a thing. Milner and Henderson were and still are ordinary compared with those around them but fit and do good jobs. I feel McT might - might - be able to do the same. My point is that there should be lots of names ahead of him to be shown the door
Couldn't help but laugh at this
Hammondo, meet @rimaldo
Who are ‘people’?
Both the aforementioned are better players than McT, for as much as I dislike Pool both the players you mentioned for them are better than McT.
Your point lacks any nuance, there isn’t World Class or McT with nothing in between. You don’t have to be a World Class [whatever that means anyway] midfielder to be a better midfielder. We’ve seen countless examples, against teams of varying quality, midfielders best him.
As for keeping him around because he wants to be here, that’s all well & good but why wouldn’t he? He’s a limited midfielder with fans such as yourself elevating him based on things like ‘pashun’. In the immediate term he needs to stay for the numbers but he’s a prime example of how far the team has fallen technically & should be replaced in the medium term on that alone.
At this stage it’s just Barca making up the story to appease the fans. ‘We wanted/tried to keep him etc… recluctantly accepted a bid etc…. Financial situation, not our fault etc…’
He’ll be in red next season.
Yes they were part of exceptional squads but that should tell you something, they were good players in their own right. Perhaps Fletcher more so. I have no doubt that but for injuries he would have had a very distinguished career
Nicky Butt was the class of 92's attempt of cloning Paul Ince. Nicky lacked Ince's immense strength and physicality (so did Keane TBH) but apart from that he had everything Incey had in his locker. He had the biggest shot of being first teamer out of the lot
Fletcher was a jack of all trades at a time when the B2B role was starting to become popular. He was never really first team material but he served us well at a time when Scholes was growing old and Carrick needed help. I never understood the hype around Fletch who ironically is more known for the CL final he lost then any games he played.
Robbie Savage was a brainless version of Gennaro Gattuso. He lacked the Italian's ability to read the game but he shared his work rate and his grit which made him very popular with squad at the lower side of the EPL. Savage would make a nuisance of himself anywhere he played, disrupting the game and give his 100% everytime.
McT stinks of not being good enough. His work rate is not particularly great, his distribution of the ball is horrific and he lacks that reading of the game that players at this level have. That's a problem in a football world were ball possession is becoming a key part of the game.
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Agreed we’ll have another week of “oh he’s wonderful and we really don’t want to sell him but we’re poor” and then he’ll sign.
Least convincing message coming from Barca I’ve ever seen.
Is it really the case? Its more the case of United (like any other team especially at the time) couldn't afford having a squad of 23 superb players. We had to augment the first team with players of the academy and Fletch/Butt were the best of the lot.
I couldn't see Fletch attracting clubs capable of winning top honours. Butt maybe but not Fletcher.
Curious, why are you so anti-Fletcher?
I don't think fletcher is really getting his dues here.
How could you possibly think anyone could be joking at a time like this?
He was one of those players who we appreciated but probably not rated as much by others, bit like Carrick.
Nicky Butt was a far better footballer than Darren Fletcher.
First of all i don't hate the person quite the contrary. I never met the guy but he comes across from his interviews as a well educated an decent man.
What I am against is us giving him a long term contract at a time when it was evident that his career at this level was over + I find his quick rise within United's managerial ranks as hilarious but that speaks volumes about the way this club is run rather then anything else. I also never understood the hype surrounding him as a player. He was at his very very best an Ander Herrera level of player (and Im pushing it here)
Shame, I felt he made us really tick , always thought he would be a long term solution to our lackluster midfield of the time but his injuries didn't really alow that to come to fruition.
Carrick seems to get his due nowadays due to Perhaps his career going on long after sir Alex retired but fletcher didn’t really get that unfortunately.
I think you're arguing against a scenario that didn't exist. Don't ever remember Fletcher being 'hyped'. I think if anything he was under-rated for a long time after he started putting in very good performances. Suspect he, like Carrick, would be far more appreciated if they were around in the analytics age where we could more objectively appraise their strengths. He was a really good carrier of the ball and fit as a race horse until his illness started to impact him. In his 25th year (the age McTominay is now), he scored 4 goals and made 5 assists.
Disagree. Think Fletcher at his peak was better than butt at his peak
did you mean to say that Keano lacked Ince's strength and physicality? really?
I said playing next to a world-class midfielder would help McT as it helped others we've had...
Yes. Ince was physically a beast. I happened to have met both players and Ince was clearly the stronger guy. Keane was the better overall player and the modern type of a DM
Keane was one of the strongest players in PL history if you ask me
He is not a #6,. He needs someone beside him. That makes him box to box. aka a #8. Again he is NOT A #6. This is what United fans seem to want. A player who can run the show in a 433 not the 4231 we've been playing.
He is not #6
this talk about No. 6 and No 8 and No 10 - that's all Savage ever goes on about on BT. We just need good players - we haven't had a decent midfield three (of four) for years
Christ sake lads, will you set up another thread on what number he plays. It's unbelievably tedious stuff.
He's number 1 in my heart.
He's a midfielder who can keep the ball and get it up the pitch. Everyone happy?
Less debate more tweets. How all transfer threads should be.
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