Pretty hit and miss but his fitness level is ridiculous. His run for the goal shouldn't be possible in extra time.
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Played the Pogba role in the first half but he's got a quarter of his ability in terms of passing. Why was he trying to spray long passes left and right when they never come off for him?
what? The starts account for the horrible passes as you’d put it. 10% of them were shite. 10% and everyone is flipping out. The problem was our attack wouldn’t have scored if the match went on for another 2 hours.
Garbage
He's an absolutely garbage footballer, but I'm not really sure why today is the day many people decided to pick him up on it. I didn't think he was any better or worse than he usually is. A few imprecise passes, some terrible shots, a couple of overhit and underhit passes and no pressure and a lot of running.
I've said a million times on here that I don't see him having enough quality to play in centre-mid for a title winning side, but until we have enough options in midfield where 'effort level' alone is a good enough reason to pick someone he's got a role to play, unfortunately.
I've said a million times on here that I don't see him having enough quality to play in centre-mid for a title winning side, but until we have enough options in midfield where 'effort level' alone is a good enough reason to pick someone he's got a role to play, unfortunately.
it doesn’t though. Unless I’m mistaken the stats count passes that go to players? The 6-10 passes I’ve stated were poor, went to players but were short, to the wrong player, on in between two players.
that’s why I’m saying watching a game through stats does not in any way tell the whole story.
You guys are mental. Do any of you think Rice(valued by most at around 60 million) who was playing with his regular midfield partners was better than Fred who was playing a new midfield lineup without our best player tonight? He could have had an assist at the end and his cross caused all the trouble for our goal and his obvious defensive work.
They do count. The one he inexplicably hammered at Telles’ chest from ten yards counts as a successful pass. That’s why passing percentage stats are fairly useless.
Energy levels are ridiculous
It’s a pity he’s so rubbish near an opposition’s goal
It’s a pity he’s so rubbish near an opposition’s goal
Jesus....he’s not great is he?
that’s exactly what I’m saying.
yet some people will immediately come in after a game and present useless stats to try and prove a point, when we’ve just watched 120 mins of really poor passing.
The thing is that he made 138 in total. Nobody is going to remember all of those. Even if you added 6-10 onto the missed passes, his accuracy would range from 86%-83% (but you would have to do this for other players to be able to compare).
I think he is a good passer for getting the ball around, and he is good in open space. I think his ground passing's good, but a few were possibly too forced today.
His best performances come from deeper, but he is also good at winning the ball high up the pitch. He is very good at winning the ball back before we score. He has done that a lot this season in the opposition half. I think he is important to the way we play.
He’s a completely different player next to McTominay. He basically had to hold the midfield alone until Bruno and McTominay came on.
Just like us to get the Gatusso brazilian.
Couldn't he at least have some samba shit in him...
Couldn't he at least have some samba shit in him...
my point is you come in spouting a 90% pass rate to try and prove he’s a good passer. Watch the game, he’s not.
I’m not sat there with a tally chart of how many bad passes be made - what I can tell you is that his passing was very poor today, as it usually is. He has great energy and enthusiasm, but very poor quality on the ball. Blunt stats are useless.
At least you tried.Gif
Fred is not good enough is he? People will call it knee jerk to make that judgement. However, with Fred the great games are him playing above himself. His actual level is the averageness we see most of the time. The fact he cost us £50m and replaced a superior footballer, Ander Herrera, says so much about how this club has been run post Fergie.
He was fine. Matic was camped out in defence and VDB might as well have stayed at home. We know Fred is not a DM or a playmaker, but he was having to do both those jobs in addition to his own. Why on earth was he the one sitting outside their box looking for openings? It's not his job.
Agree with this. Also, it’s uncanny how often he is in position to snatch the ball when the opposition clears it from their box.
His passing is decent but no more. He’s good at recycling the ball and finding a more creative player. He’s a lousy long range passer
Anyone that thinks that was an acceptable performance for a Man United centre midfielder needs to have a word with themselves. His passing was backwards and sideways for the vast majority of the game. So many times he had the space to receive on the turn but he just kept sending it back the way it came. When he did try and play forward passes he did them with enough power to send them into orbit and the receiver would unsurprisingly fail to control.
There was a spell in the first half when West Ham just let him have the ball and it was borderline embarrassing seeing how clueless he was to try and come up with anything progressive and instead just look for someone to take it off him. That's just not good enough on the ball ability for a Man United centre midfielder. I'd excuse him a bit if he was a specialist holding midfielder but he needs another player (McTominay) to do that job right.
Don't think I want to see him anymore in these sorts of games where we're gonna have more of the ball. He's just too poor a footballer
There was a spell in the first half when West Ham just let him have the ball and it was borderline embarrassing seeing how clueless he was to try and come up with anything progressive and instead just look for someone to take it off him. That's just not good enough on the ball ability for a Man United centre midfielder. I'd excuse him a bit if he was a specialist holding midfielder but he needs another player (McTominay) to do that job right.
Don't think I want to see him anymore in these sorts of games where we're gonna have more of the ball. He's just too poor a footballer
He's not at his best lately as if he's carrying a knock but it's still solid 7/10 performance which is very important. On the other hand VdB was total shite, didn't help one bit and Matic is just a walking passenger. VdB was supposed to show he could be a Bruno stand-in and even though the bar is set high, he was pretty horrible, invisible or too simple. I don't think Andreas Pereira would do worse than him and he didn't get many chances to play as a no 10 as this fraud. BTW I don't rate Andreas at all now but jusst to point out that VdB is there to create and Matic as a Pogba replacement as often Ole uses him did nothing either.
I am not sure why people think Fred needs to score ton of goals, he's there to provide a solid base, cover for players, tackle and intercept, pass it quick and sometimes to create which on a occassion he did very well but he will never get his assist because his player will fail to score, unlucky. His shooting should get better at times but you know if you're using that as an argument that he shouldn't start than I don't see why Martial & Rashford shouldn't be on the bench too, their finishing of late is abysmal.
I am not sure why people think Fred needs to score ton of goals, he's there to provide a solid base, cover for players, tackle and intercept, pass it quick and sometimes to create which on a occassion he did very well but he will never get his assist because his player will fail to score, unlucky. His shooting should get better at times but you know if you're using that as an argument that he shouldn't start than I don't see why Martial & Rashford shouldn't be on the bench too, their finishing of late is abysmal.
even if you are a fan of Fred’s - no sane person is rating him 7/10 today.
I know you will disagree with me I got it. I know you will be in this thread to slate him whenever possible and praise McTominay in other for little. But we controlled the midfield well didn't concede any chances and the more game was played the better he got, passing accuracy was also okay in the end, created a couple of chances, this is enough from the most defensive CM we played today. If you can't understand that and that players have different roles other than scoring goals, then I am afraid that sanity is something which you should strikethrough in your dictionary.
Was probably the best player on the pitch. thought he was great today. Amount of times he got a foot to something just as it looked like West Ham might do something. Yes some slopppy passes but overall thought he was good.
In terrier mode tonight, hunting the ball and dropping it off short, which is when he’s at his best.
We don't lose when Fred is playing . Beast mode !
People here are mad. There is clearly a bias against him. He was 2nd in the motm vote here. Miles better than Rice and Matic. Stopped so many of their transitions/build ups. The odd pass is sloppy but most of the time he turns quickly on it into space and moves it on quickly into dangerous areas. His energy to get around the pitch is brilliant.
The forwards were cat, Fred was not.
The forwards were cat, Fred was not.
How do people expect so little from their Midfielders.
The lad couldn't pass the ball. He cannot be a starter in a top team without dramatic improvement.
The lad couldn't pass the ball. He cannot be a starter in a top team without dramatic improvement.
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Fred is a strange player in a game like tonight where we were obviously going to have most of the possession he's bit pointless as let's be honest he's a horrendous passer of the ball. Pure garbage it's honestly hard... no painful to watch him trying to move a ball around the pitch. He must be the worst passer to play so many games for Manchester United in central midfield 
And yet i really do love the little bastard as he's so hard working, in big games where he has a lot of defensive work to get through he shines.
We should have played Van De Beek in midfield tonight and any game where we are resting Pogba and/or McTominay as that guy is clearly not a no10.
And yet i really do love the little bastard as he's so hard working, in big games where he has a lot of defensive work to get through he shines.
We should have played Van De Beek in midfield tonight and any game where we are resting Pogba and/or McTominay as that guy is clearly not a no10.
I almost said the same thing a few games ago but thought it was too early to make what would be such an unpopular opinion. If we go purely in their performances as the #10, Pereira was better last season than VDB has been so far this season. Pereira was obviously utter trash when he played in the deeper central midfield, but in the earlier part of the season when he was playing at #10 he was at a decent squad player level. Whereas VDB's looked more impressive to me when played a bit deeper.
He has good energy and tries hard but he can't pass, shoot, or dribble very well. Pretty bad going forward. Hard to believe he is Brazilian.
Passing ability is perhaps the worst I've ever seen from a United central midfielder.
Fred struggled a bit at the start of the match which I feel turns people against him and they seem to think he continued like that throughout the match. While he certainly wasn't great he was arguably the best of a sad bunch over the full 120 minutes. Our attackers were poor, our defenders didn't really have much to do, Matic struggled in the second half and had to be taken off and nobody for West Ham (including their highly rated midfield duo of Rice and Soucek) impressed.
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I'm a big critic of Fred and I think that position needs improving maybe more than any other position, but I have to say that today he was the best player on the pitch. I know that's not saying much because no one stood out but that guy was still full of energy and running until the final whistle. Compare that to Martial who looks gassed after his first run of every match he plays. As far as I'm concerned I'm okay with Fred staying around as a squad player.
They can play whoever they want at #10 and that includes Bruno and our front three (that doesn't include Cavani) are most often awful. Why would it be any different when Donny is playing there?
I'm a big critic of Fred and I think that position needs improving maybe more than any other position, but I have to say that today he was the best player on the pitch. I know that's not saying much because no one stood out but that guy was still full of energy and running until the final whistle. Compare that to Martial who looks gassed after his first run of every match he plays. As far as I'm concerned I'm okay with Fred staying around as a squad player.
Apart from the Centre backs who were not tested, he was our best player. Not sure what some were watching.
He should never be allowed to shoot or try passes more than 5 meters.
Somehow we signed Brazilians with very poor shooting technique, Fred and Anderson. Tbf Fred makes Anderson looks like Scholes. At least he should give up shooting, it's just a turnover and opponents counter attack.
Very mixed game for him, did well and played poorly too, especially at the start with loose passes.
Very mixed game for him, did well and played poorly too, especially at the start with loose passes.
Had a decent game in the end last night. Moved the ball quick to the flanks.
BUT when he tried to be a Pogba, fizzing balls forward, the hail-Mary of long balls, he is atrocious, he really is.
he should be demanded to play it simple or will be dropped. His passing range is just awful, it’s not his game so don’t play it. He might as well kept his hand aloft apologetically all of first half as his passing was that shit.
BUT when he tried to be a Pogba, fizzing balls forward, the hail-Mary of long balls, he is atrocious, he really is.
he should be demanded to play it simple or will be dropped. His passing range is just awful, it’s not his game so don’t play it. He might as well kept his hand aloft apologetically all of first half as his passing was that shit.
Ridiculous energy and stamina other than that Mark Noble has more football in him and probably the same level of talent.
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