heatbeat of the team along with Bruno.
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heatbeat of the team along with Bruno.
What he achieved was making 5/6 successful tackles against Leicester and 4 interceptions. Only Ndidi made more which 7/10 successful tackles but less interception (3).
Passing, he has vision to find the front four and capable to make pass that penetrate through the line. He was the one who made the pass to Rashford one on one chance vs Leicester, made more key pass in that match than Ndidi, McTomminay and Tielemans.
We are top heavy, meaning we play 3 forwards (stikers mainly, as we don't have any actual wingers) and Bruno, who stays inline with them. This is an unusual approach as most teams play midfield 3, while we have there 2 players (whatever combination).
Doesn't matter really who plays as those 2man midfield, we play two conservative box to box midfielders. McTominay has 2 goals 1 assist, Fred should've had 1 assist last game if it wasn't for Rashford poor finishing vs Leicester. I'd say considering we play 4-2-3-1 top heavy, that's good enough.
Sure we could. We could upgrade on many positions, I'd take Ndidi or Tielemans in Fred place but I don't think it will elevate us a level.
Firstly, there is not that much between them and second, if people expect us to do big transfers this winter and next summer in a position we're doing ok, I think they will be disappointed.
The key question is are we losing points because of midfield not doing their job? I don't think so. We create loads of chances with playing midfield which is considered as "2 DMs". We have issues on both ends of the pitch but midfield is doing fine.
Fair points, I suppose we'll have to see what happens. In my view, I feel like we'll be targeting 3 players over the next couple of windows right down the spine of the team. A centre back, central midfielder and and a striker.
I think Fred or McTominay would look a lot more effective with a well rounded top quality central midfielder beside them, probably moreso Fred. For me, when the two of them play together we are lacking from a posession front in midfield. However, when they don't play we are a little open through the centre.
It's a balancing act for Ole, I just never feel like the midfield is a driving force in our squad when we need to get results. Maybe I'm being overly critical, but it seems to me that a lot of top teams down the years have had that presence in midfield, and while our midfielders are good at what they do, as you say, they just don't have that extra spark that I think you need to play in midfield for United.
Good players for sure, but in the sense that they're good enough to get us to third, or second in the league. Will we get back to the top with them? I'm not so sure.
I recently watched some highlights of Carrick and it just makes you realise what we're lacking in midfield at the moment.
He's obviously premier league level. But I think Ndidi, Tielemans, Henderson, Kante, Anguissa, Ward-Prowse and Romeu are better DMs than him. So probably top 8 in the CM/DM positions this season with Rice and Hojbjerg around the same level and competing for that 8th spot. Good not great. A bit of an improvement on last season but an area we could upgrade.
Even if we use your view on him, the reality is that we have no time and money to ask for perfection at this moment. Covid will put a limit into our transfer budget and Fred is the least worry for an upgrade at the moment means if you want upgrade, you can’t expect next summer because there other players and areas that we must upgrade.
There is not another player at Utd that people look at forensically than Fred. People seem to focus on what he can't do rather than what he can. I think the problem is people can't more on from how poor he was when he came here, and are fixed in their view when it's clear there is no comparison. Peoples memories are selective they forget he single handily held our midfield together whilst Matic, Scott and Pogs were injured. Played every game and not rested. Also there was no Bruno at that time and I'd argue without his input, we wouldn't even been in a position to have finished 3rd despite not playing much post COVID.
We have only a 30% win rate when he doesn't play but what I like most about him is his self belief and his character. He was pretty much wrote off by everyone. Ole didn't play him, he was ridiculed by ex player, said was a waste of 50m yet he's proved everyone wrong.
We have only a 30% win rate when he doesn't play but what I like most about him is his self belief and his character. He was pretty much wrote off by everyone. Ole didn't play him, he was ridiculed by ex player, said was a waste of 50m yet he's proved everyone wrong.
People talk about upgrade, we have arguably the need to 2 CB's, cover at RB and a right sides forward. We also probably need cover for Bruno too.
He is probably the second one that has to be on the team sheet after Bruno. Maybe you could say the third one after Rashford. But have you forgotten how awful he was in his first season. He has massively improved and we should acknowledge that.
Look at Fred's stats on Squawka against some of the pure DM's people mention as potential future signings like Ndidi and Rice and you'll notice the following:
- He wins the ball back more (tackles, interceptions, ball recoveries).
- He's a more progressive passer (more forward passes, more chances created)
- Despite the above, his pass accuracy % is pretty much the same.
- He actually takes players on (and at a highly successful rate) meaning he can actually break press and carry the ball upfield.
Watching from afar here in OZ i really have no idea about whats the individual stats disclose I don’t access the sites that disclose such detailed information.
Just seeing what I watch, each game I think Fred is a wonderful player. Apparently his stats reveal no goal assists but he is truly a terrific player and I find it quite sad to come on here and read posters who find reasons to denigrate his performances which I find sad.
Fred is a really special player from what I see from my perspective it is quite sad his attributes are not fully appreciated on this forum.
Just seeing what I watch, each game I think Fred is a wonderful player. Apparently his stats reveal no goal assists but he is truly a terrific player and I find it quite sad to come on here and read posters who find reasons to denigrate his performances which I find sad.
Fred is a really special player from what I see from my perspective it is quite sad his attributes are not fully appreciated on this forum.
Agreed. It's pretty tragic that people can't see what he brings to the team, I think an aspect of his game that's underrated even by a lot of his fans is his positioning. He's always there to make a tackle or interception, he seems to read play very well. I think a Fred, Pogba, Bruno midfield is probably far and away our best and most balanced midfield but we're kind of limited given Raiola's latest outburst. Once we find a good replacement for Pogba we'll probably see the best of Fred.
Which team in Championsip you think he will be going to in January? I believe that in a club as big as Manchester United there are definitely lot of brains around and they will make it happen
My bet is on QPR...
Pogba was poor in the first half yesterday but improved in the second half, and Matic had a very good game, but the two of them as a pivot just doesn't work very well because of the lack of energy and dynamism. Fred's absence yesterday was starkly obvious. He's a really important player in this side.
What good would Fred be in a game like that where the other team sit back and defend for 90 mins ?
He'd have brought intensity. Forced mistakes from them and not have allowed them to take as much time as they liked on the ball. It's a trade off. You either try to force mistakes from them via pressing, or you beat them with your own use of the ball, ability to pick a pass a la Pogba.
You seem sad, Andrew.
Utd were way too pedestrian in the middle of the park yesterday, and the threat of a Wolves counter was accentuated by the lack of mobility of Pogba and Matic. They needed to force more turnovers and move the ball quicker when they did win it back before Wolves sat into the low block. Fred brings energy and tempo to the game, and although he clearly doesn't have Pogba's passing ability, he gets the ball moving much quicker than either Pogba or Matic.
The Pogba/Matic pivot just doesn't work. Either of them would be better with energy beside them.
They were not taking any time on the ball they were happy letting us have it. No matter what i personally think of Fred there is nothing he can do against a team that sits back like Wolves did.
Thats why he wasn't playing he is the last player you need against Wolves
You're seriously overstating how much Wolves sat back. It's not as if Utd had 80% possession. Wolves had 42% possession in the game! When they lost the ball they dropped into a low block, so that made it even more important for Utd to force turnovers and move the ball quickly in the transitions. Fred would have absolutely helped with that.
Yeah, I was saying the same type of thing while watching the game last night. It's not all about playing pretty passes. Playing with a high intensity and unsettling the opposition's comfort levels is also a valid strategy in helping to break them down. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
That was the plan but it didn’t work as what it was planned because wolves didn’t sit back like Newcastle or West Brom, they were still trying to attack which something we didn’t have in midfield to stop their counter, as a result they had 9 shots.
His boy is the spitting image of him
Happy new year, Fred!I thought he was getting married again. Probably have another ceremony once Covid is over.
His boy is the spitting image of him
I knew Fred was short but didn't realise just how small.
Fred is turning into one of my favourite players. Clearly underrated on here. His passing is actually very good and he isn’t one of those side ways passing players. He gets it forward every single time. No flashy business...just keeping it simple and moving the ball forward to start attacks. Defensively he’s sound and will tackle, press and protect the back four. Surprised by some of the comments on here. A championship player? Really!!?
What a truly likeable man our Fred is. Honoured to have him on our team. He’s such an honest lad and has understated abilities. We are nowhere near as good when he’s not on the pitch. He’ll give Grealish plenty to think about tomorrow night.
Ndidi is a hipster option and he is equally limited on certain areas. Fred has been a better player than Kante and Henderson in the last 6-8 months. JWP and Romeu are system players- thanks to Hassenhuttl. They are quite average.
Anguissa is an interesting option to keep a tab on and that's about it. For now, he is a level below.
Tielemans, I agree would be a good option but would be a good partner than replace Fred.
In short, you are seriously under rating Fred .
Ndidi is much better at being an actual DM which is what we need. Not someone who isnt very good at it but possibly passes a bit better than someone who does the DM job very well
Its the same way we don't need a CB who can beat 2 players with a dribble but doesnt defend well. You can get these things when you already have the basics covered by someone doing the real job great. We dont have that
Anguissa is less of a presser but he's absolutely better than Fred so far this season and was good last season for Villareal too as a ball winning midfielder who can play too.
Fred is not a DM, but a pretty good box to box CM (minus his finishing). He gives us energy and solidity in the middle with his boundless harrying, tackles and high tempo. He still lacks the positional discipline and deep lying playmaking of a DM (aka Matic the only one we have). Hence we would do well to get a top level DM to play alongside Fred, not to replace him
Man Utd 2:1 Aston Villa
Monstrous today, what a signing he's grown into
I can't even remember when he had bad game. He is one of our key players
Was a bit sloppy at times but very energetic again
Am I the only one who thinks he makes far too much small little mistakes? He got away with a few today.
He does make mistakes here and there but for me he’s very like Bruno - you take the things that he does wrong because what he does right is so influential to our team. Fred literally wins the ball back more than the rest of our team combined.
He was good for the first 60 minutes then turned to shit around the time McTominay went off. I don't whether it was tiredness but it was all individual mistakes from then on.
you love an agenda shout so I see!
For the record, he was fantastic first half tonight and equally as poor second.
So there's your agenda debunked.
Yep very poor for second half.
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