Frank Lampard's Sack Watch / Sacked

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Frank didn't speak to the players in general
But why? How is it possible to convey ideas to your own players if you don’t even talk to them? There were a couple that reached more heights in football than Lampard himself even (he at least had to talk to world champions Kante and Tiago Silva out of respect...)
 
The Athletic say Frank fell out with the CEO over Kepa as he wanted to bin him and she wanted to keep him and that Frank didn't speak to the players in general, was a remote figure and lost the dressing room.
I dont see Tuchel as being a particularly great man manager either.
 
Seems harsh but losing a Championship playoff final does not qualify you for a job such as Chelsea.

He was however offered the job of his dreams within a year of becoming a manager so he was always going to take it.

In a decade he will probably look back and think that was silly.

Abramovich has to take some responsibility here for the same reason, I get that Lampard is a club legend as a player but where's the managerial apprenticeship?

Surely you should have to do more to earn these top jobs. If he'd have had success elsewhere he was always going to get the job one day so why not be patient?

Gerrard has been clever by going to a job where he had a 50/50 chance of winning the title early in his managerial career. When they close out the league this season he's put a huge tick in a box and the powers that be at Liverpool will obviously have noticed for future reference.

Arteta and Ole are in similar boats to Lampard, no managerial success of note at any decent level, they're under extra pressure and will be cut no slack. Fortunately for us at the moment Ole is doing very well!

But the proof is in the pudding at the end of the season, there's a reason it's been Klopp vs. Pep for the last few seasons.

Edit: I forgot to mention Lampard has a right to have expected a lot more from his 2 German forwards, especially Werner.
I appreciate that the Norwegian league isn't in the same bracket as the PL, but I don't know why we keep on ignoring it like it doesn't exist.

Ole coached the reserves here, coached Cardiff and struggled, but then had done very well for Molde (including winning trophies when they weren't always favourites) before taking the United job. I wouldn't put him in the same boat as Lampard at all.
 
Could see it. Not just Kepa the issue though that is for sure.

There's a REALLY long article in The Athletic and the Kepa issue was supposedly what he fell out with the CEO over. It essentially says that his man management was very poor which made the situation impossible to retrieve when things started going wrong. He just didn't talk to the players at all. Some criticism of his tactical instruction from some players, although they only name Kepa in that regard.
 
Love how suddenly transfer embargo is looked at as its nothing plus outgoings, if that was our case the amount of excuses would be built from it, shit would go through the roof.
 
With all due respect, Frank being sacked saddens me deeply. I was looking forward to the excuses that the media would have made on his behalf when Chelsea finished 6-8 spots behind Man Utd. Especially after they had spent months telling us, without any basis, that he was dope and Ole was not.

Roman has made it too easy for them. Now, they will just say that he got sacked too soon and didn’t get the chance to turn it around.
 
I appreciate that the Norwegian league isn't in the same bracket as the PL, but I don't know why we keep on ignoring it like it doesn't exist.

Ole coached the reserves here, coached Cardiff and struggled, but then had done very well for Molde (including winning trophies when they weren't always favourites) before taking the United job. I wouldn't put him in the same boat as Lampard at all.

Yes but the point is, if/when Ole leaves, if we go and get the current Molde manager following a couple of Norwegian titles back to back, would that be considered a prudent appointment?

Can anyone on this forum even name the current Molde manager without the help of Wikipedia?!

What I'm saying is the appointment of Ole wasn't made on his success in what is let's be honest, a tinpot league. It was made because of his name and it wasn't even a permanent appointment to start with anyway.

Chelsea did the same with Lampard, anyone else as manager of Derby finishing runners-up in the playoffs (and totally outclassed by Villa on the day) wouldn't have got anywhere near the Chelsea job.

There's no room for sentiment if you want to be a successful football club.
 
There's a REALLY long article in The Athletic and the Kepa issue was supposedly what he fell out with the CEO over. It essentially says that his man management was very poor which made the situation impossible to retrieve when things started going wrong. He just didn't talk to the players at all. Some criticism of his tactical instruction from some players, although they only name Kepa in that regard.

Could have read it here first, posted here yesterday essentially exactly the same.

Big difference with OGS is that despite your poor run last year, players still had faith.
 
Top player. Him burning you Irish fans doesn’t change that. Hope we take advantage of it, he’d be perfect for us.

:lol:

My interest in the national team is pretty meh tbh. He's wank. Wish Chelsea had of spunked 80m on him. Shame with Lamps gone it won't happen.
 
The stories about him doing strange things like not speaking to the players seem weird to me. He was a top player at Chelsea for years and experienced playing for lots of different managers. I can’t imagine him having such sort of fundamental flaws, if he did I’m not sure he’d have lasted as long as he ended up doing.
 
They will all disagree with it, but there’s definite hypocrisy here too. The media would certainly be campaigning for a foreign manager to be sacked in the same circumstances. They have tried to get every manager sacked at United since Fergie, with the exception of Moyes who they were willing to ‘give time’. This includes campaigning against Mourinho following a second placed finish.
Well they dance around Arteta like he is a demigod.
 
But why? How is it possible to convey ideas to your own players if you don’t even talk to them? There were a couple that reached more heights in football than Lampard himself even (he at least had to talk to world champions Kante and Tiago Silva out of respect...)

I don't think the insinuation is that he looked down on his players. More that his personality is lacking something when it comes to man-management.
 
The stories about him doing strange things like not speaking to the players seem weird to me. He was a top player at Chelsea for years and experienced playing for lots of different managers. I can’t imagine him having such sort of fundamental flaws, if he did I’m not sure he’d have lasted as long as he ended up doing.
They are such a huge group of high profile players somebody going to get hurt over playing time, tactics etc. You simply can't please everyone. Hence Ole is doing remarkable job, so far.
 
No, no, no, no, no, no, and guess what? Nooooooo.
Bye Frank, you can join your mates in studios now.
Tuchel you say...hmmm.. he is sh*te. Sacked at the end of the season.
There.
Ta.
 
The stories about him doing strange things like not speaking to the players seem weird to me. He was a top player at Chelsea for years and experienced playing for lots of different managers. I can’t imagine him having such sort of fundamental flaws, if he did I’m not sure he’d have lasted as long as he ended up doing.

I can believe some of those stories. In the interviews he did over the last couple of months, it always seemed to me that he was brimming with anger. Just not mature enough to be a manager of a top club (yet).
 
In hindsight Chelsea would've been better off just adding 4 good quality players to last year's team, I didn't think it needed anywhere near as much surgery as they gave it. They had a good base to build upon and might have actually set themselves back further due to the teething issues and now disgruntled players.
Could have read it here first, posted here yesterday essentially exactly the same.

Big difference with OGS is that despite your poor run last year, players still had faith.
Yeah, true. Solskjaer's pretty much had the players onside since his first day here, it's primarily the reason his job's never been in any real danger.
 
Of all of them Kepa complaining to the board about Lampard's tactics is hillarious.
 
Big difference with OGS is that despite your poor run last year, players still had faith.
But wasn’t it because Ole spoke to the players, on the contrary? Also, with time Ole became better at selecting players on merit - it can’t be argued even, as we don’t have even one underperformer in the team now who gets games often. Not even one
 
The articles painting a recently sacked manager in bad light are typical. Don't know why clubs always leak these things so quickly.
The issue of Kepa is bizarre. He is a bad keeper bought for £72m. What did hey want Lampard to do with him?
 
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Sacking managers is the Chelsea way. Lampard knew the risks and how Roman works more than anyone when taking on the job so the outcome was inevitable. However, unfair it seems.

From a neutral perspective, it's been an unpredictable season and Chelsea are only a few points from the top the 4, still in the FA Cup and Champions League. He's been trying to integrate too many new players whilst trying to give youth players a chance and this takes time. Not all is lost mind, he'll get a nice handshake which will go some way to mend his bruised ego.
 
The articles painting a recently sacked manager in bad light are typical.
I don't think the articles paint the board in a particularly good light either.
 
Didn't tuchel fall our with mainz, dortmund and psg hierarchy... pretty much all of them based on transfers

Might as well start the tuchel sack watch straight away if he starts working for roman
 
Off-topic: I was actually expecting the hammer to fall on Bruce today.
 
But wasn’t it because Ole spoke to the players, on the contrary? Also, with time Ole became better at selecting players on merit - it can’t be argued even, as we don’t have even one underperformer in the team now who gets games often. Not even one
As they say in management "nothing more can destroy the moral of good employees by tolerating bad employees"
 
The confusing thing is, why they hired Lampard in the first place if they didnt have a plan.
Unless the plan was, Lampard must get top4 without spending in the first season.
If he does, then season 2 he will be given as much money / signings as possible and from there he must challenge for the title.
(But if thats the case, then clearly the signings arent his and they needed Lampard to coach who was bought rather than trying to build a team)

Its a bit bizarre unless they only intended Lampard to be short term and were waiting for the first opportunity of bad results to sack him (and it helped that a manager like Tuchel was available)

That was exactly the plan. He did better than expected last season - I don't think they saw him getting top 4 with that squad so probably planned to sack him in the summer.

They needed someone last season to make it through the season after losing Hazard and with no money to spend. They then went ahead and bought the players they were always intending to buy and now they'll get someone who they think will work best with the group of players they've assembled now.
 
Question is where does one go after this?

He doesnt need to go anywhere for a while, if I remember right when Di Matteo was sacked it was reported in the next earnings report Chelsea would continue paying him his regular salary until his original contract would have ended to avoid paying a massive payoff like they did with Villas Boas and they continued that since with other managers (supposedly). Taking a new role waives that income then which is why Di Matteo delayed taking a new role afterwards for a while.

In short hes fine for a few quid for now :lol: tough call though if he hopes to stay in top flight management.

Wish they waited until they had dropped off even further but you cant say Chelseas management arent ruthless.
 
I'd be slightly worried if I were a Chelsea fan. The Hire / Fire approach doesn't seem to have the same success the last 5 or 6 years, with the time they won the title the only title challenge in that time. I read also that they havent won a CL knockout tie since 2014 as well.

I don't think they have the same characters in the dressing room that they've had in the past to really elevate them, & it seems almost a culture now for the players to give up on a manager really easily if things don't go their way.

That's why I rate Utd for sticking with Ole, & Arsenal for Arteta. Once you have that set in the club, that the manager doesn't have the power, then it tends to not mean good things.
 
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According the Athletic, they tried to sound out Nagelsmann but that was a non-starter until at least the summer and Rangnick turned down the interim gig, so I suppose the choice was between Tuchel or sticking with Lampard.

No manager is a long-term answer for Chelsea it seems. We have tried all kinds of managers from experienced proven winners to young inexperienced novices to whatever the hell Sarri represented. None lasted more than 3 years except Jose 15 years ago and even he lasted just 3.5 years.
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I do feel a degree of sympathy for Lampard. I know he was given a largely easy ride of it from the press but their season wasn't irretrievable.

If they had a genuinely top manager taking his place it would be more understandable but Tuchel isn't and won't be that man. It looks as though their board are more concerned with getting Werner and Havertz playing.
 
Signing so many players was the problem. Half a team of starters with most having no EPL experience.
 
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