Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful

sullydnl said:
Hard to come out in a sport where the biggest tournament is willfully held in a country where homosexuality is illegal and people back down at showing even the mildest, blandest type of gesture in support for LGBT rights at even the threat of a yellow card. How much faith could you really have in the industry and insititutions around you?
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Completely agree. This is utterly disgraceful.
 
Marwood said:
Well I'd ask why hasn't a single pundit or celebrity mentioned the money?

We all go to work for money. We all make it clear its for the money. It's no problem.

So why do these guys say their motivation is everything but money?
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I don't know but I've seen plenty of pundits and players talk about money in the past. Agents too. Not this tournament however yet.

But generally for the big nations what the players earn at a world cup is usually peanuts compared to what they earn at their clubs.
 
Roane said:
Yes I did and of a couple, heterosexual or homosexual suddenly started ahvingbsex I'd kick them out too
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I actually agree with you on the virtue signalling. I don't like it either. It's dishonest.

However in the same fashion you're reluctant to clear up where you(not Islam or a book) stand on these matters. It's not a good look when you can't give a straight answer to basic questions. Or when you go a bit arbitrary with rules on drinking and being gay.

Especially when you're voluntarily in a thread discussing LGBTQ issues. I wouldn't question you on this for any other reason than you being here in this thread.

For me its tricky to take your opinion on board when I'm unsure if you think homosexuality is immoral or if you think it should be illegal.
 
stevoc said:
You wouldn't let someone who's been drinking alcohol into your home or you wouldn't let someone drink alcohol in your home?
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Both tbh.

If I was single with no kids I may reconsider drunk
 
Really disappointing. Any future gestures they make will be meaningless in the knowledge that they wilted under the slightest bit of pressure.
 
Roane said:
Both tbh.

If I was single with no kids I may reconsider drunk
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Not to sidetrack the thread but what’s the issue if you had a friend and they have a glass of wine or a beer in your house? I’m assuming you’re only letting people you know well into your house.
 
Abizzz said:
I don't know but I've seen plenty of pundits and players talk about money in the past. Agents too. Not this tournament however yet.

But generally for the big nations what the players earn at a world cup is usually peanuts compared to what they earn at their clubs.
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I don't mean the players. They have less of a choice.

I'm about the fringe characters. The millionaires who are there with their hands out.

I don't think any of them have mentioned money. Alex Scott is there because she "loves her job." No mention of the huge pay she'll be getting.

I'd personally have way more respect and time for them if they stopped treating us lile idiots. Just be a grown up and say "while I care about the issues I also want to earn a lot of money."
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Not to sidetrack the thread but what’s the issue if you had a friend and they have a glass of wine or a beer in your house? I’m assuming you’re only letting people you know well into your house.
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Tbf even though its not my style(my parties would be super boring), if someone is super puritan about alcohol in their own home it's fair enough for religious reasons or otherwise.
 
Marwood said:
I don't mean the players. They have less of a choice.

I'm about the fringe characters. The millionaires who are there with their hands out.

I don't think any of them have mentioned money. Alex Scott is there because she "loves her job." No mention of the huge pay she'll be getting.

I'd personally have way more respect and time for them if they stopped treating us lile idiots. Just be a grown up and say "while I care about the issues I also want to earn a lot of money."
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Oh gotcha. What makes you think she's a millionaire though? The Beeb pay everyone like they are Lineker these days?

Generally I do agree there are plenty who take the money and still try to come across as on the "right" side. Feck them. But that pales in comparison to the shit Qatar and FIFA are pulling of this November.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
"Virtue signalling" is such an empty phrase to use. I suppose she is "woke" too.

Or maybe... Because 4 years ago she was the first female pundit on the BBC and doesn't want to stop that progress?

Maybe she wants to raise awareness while she is there working for a national broadcaster?
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Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football.
Yes, let’s respect her wearing the arm band in a show of unity - but is she any different to the Gary Neville’s and David Beckhams taking ££ from this WC? I’m not sure how I feel on that one.
 
sullydnl said:
Hard to come out in a sport where the biggest tournament is willfully held in a country where homosexuality is illegal and people back down at showing even the mildest, blandest type of gesture in support for LGBT rights at even the threat of a yellow card. How much faith could you really have in the industry and insititutions around you?
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Yup. Looks even more pathetic in light of Iran actually doing something to protest their own government. Just the weakest of all positions in the end.
 
Abizzz said:
Oh gotcha. What makes you think she's a millionaire though? The Beeb pay everyone like they are Lineker these days?

Generally I do agree there are plenty who take the money and still try to come across as on the "right" side. Feck them. But that pales in comparison to the shit Qatar and FIFA are pulling of this November.
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I didn't mean literally every pundit or celebrity is a millionaire but for sure Alex Scott will be a very wealthy woman. She's been on TV a while now. She doesn't need the world cup money.

But then I have no problem with her going and earning a few quid. Or Lineker or Neville, who are no doubt multi millionaires.

But just own it, be honest and I think any gestures they then make towards the issues would have some merit.
 
Eleven. said:
Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football.
Yes, let’s respect her wearing the arm band in a show of unity - but is she any different to the Gary Neville’s and David Beckhams taking ££ from this WC? I’m not sure how I feel on that one.
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I think that all depends on how she interprets her job there. If she uses her position to highlight injustices then I don't see how it is wrong to work at this WC. After all she's not being paid by Qatar, but by the BBC who so far don't seem to shy away from criticising the host country's human rights issues even at the expense of not broadcasting the opening ceremony on TV.

Beckham's role is basically being paid millions to say "oh what a wonderful country", while Neville works for the Qatari owned Bein sports. Neville might justify his role in the same way Alex Scott will but given his employer it's a different role. Maybe it's a minor difference, but different nonetheless.
 
Gehrman said:
Tbf even though its not my style(my parties would be super boring), if someone is super puritan about alcohol in their own home it's fair enough for religious reasons or otherwise.
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Yeah I hadn’t read back through the chain but if for religious reasons then each to their own. I didn’t realise that was a thing (no alcohol whatsoever in home) I thought it was more avoiding personal consumption.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Yeah I hadn’t read back through the chain but if for religious reasons then each to their own. I didn’t realise that was a thing (no alcohol whatsoever in home) I thought it was more avoiding personal consumption.
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I'm sure someone more qualified can answer the question whether alcohol can be consumed by others in your home if you following what is supposed to be 100% correct Islam by their definition.
 
According to some people, literally no human being would ever be able to complain about anything. It's astonishing that something so obvious as qatar having a shit human rights records turns into discussions about how much a pundit earns.

The way some people defend qatar as if they're defending family kinda shows how football fecks people's brains. In that sense, sportswashing has been incredibly effective.

Also this "oh but it's over there" it's such bullshit. I would bet the people saying this stuff wouldn't get off their couches if lgbt rights were being taken away where they live. They just don't care.
 
I'm not really sure I fully understand the nature of LGBT support controversy in the world cup.
Are the teams showing support for the LGBT community suffering under Qatari laws? In other words, the Qatari LGBT community?
Are teams protesting the treatment of LGBT tourists during the World Cup?
Or is it just to stand with the international LGBT community, much like the Black Lives Matter movement?
This is genuinely not a pi$$ take, I'm really confused.
 
It’s going to be very odd when Kane puts the arm band back on for the next Tottenham game.

People really do believe in nothing.
 
Gehrman said:
I'm sure someone more qualified can answer the question whether alcohol can be consumed by others in your home if you following what is supposed to be 100% correct Islam by their definition.
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Think a Muslim would answer better than this, but my Muslim friends would rather not hang out with me when I'm under the influence. Even more so in their own homes. Never took it personally, nor really ever had a problem with it. Similar with Pork beef in more religious households.
 
Eleven. said:
Alex Scott, however she identifies now, was in a long term relationship with an ex Arsenal team-mate. She’s personally invested in this - no doubt she’ll also have plenty of LGBT friends through playing womens football.
Yes, let’s respect her wearing the arm band in a show of unity - but is she any different to the Gary Neville’s and David Beckhams taking ££ from this WC? I’m not sure how I feel on that one.
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Slightly different in that Beckham has never mentioned any of the issues in Qatar to any serious extent.

Also Beckham is reported to have event between £10M and £150M to endorse Qatar. Plus he is a Worldwide star and icon. So that is barely comparable.

Neville I don't know much about. But don't recall him speaking out at all?
 
Sweet Square said:
It’s going to be very odd when Kane puts the arm band back on for the next Tottenham game.

People really do believe in nothing.
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We don't know what he believes in, it could be that he's just a spineless shell who doesn't have the courage of his convictions. Ideally, they shouldn't have gone, but that's a huge sacrifice. Honestly, while it's easy for me to boycott as a fan whose country hasn't qualified, I'm not sure I'd be able to boycott it as a player, but there's no way I wouldn't make some acknowledgment of the wider issues. Like you say if he does wear it again it will warrant comment.
 
I gotta say, looking at social media it's alarming the number of europeans who just say "well, they're homophobic, but it's their country, we have to respect it".
 
maniak said:
I gotta say, looking at social media it's alarming the number of europeans who just say "well, they're homophobic, but it's their country, we have to respect it".
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Yes, there is a huge spotlight being shone on those of us 'enlightened' westerners who seem to tolerate homophobia. It must be quite depressing for the LGBT+ communities all over the world.
 
maniak said:
I gotta say, looking at social media it's alarming the number of europeans who just say "well, they're homophobic, but it's their country, we have to respect it".
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They don't care about the matter itself, that's the underlying issue.

Another thing is that half of the "people" who reply in any longer Twitter thread are clearly bots or trolls. It's farcical at this point. People actually engage with the bots and trolls too - they don't seem to get it.
 
moses said:
We don't know what he believes in, it could be that he's just a spineless shell who doesn't have the courage of his convictions. Ideally, they shouldn't have gone, but that's a huge sacrifice. Honestly, while it's easy for me to boycott as a fan whose country hasn't qualified, I'm not sure I'd be able to boycott it as a player, but there's no way I wouldn't make some acknowledgment of the wider issues. Like you say if he does wear it again it will warrant comment.
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Maybe if it was a boycott of the tournament overall but just for the arm band, the sacrifice was a yellow card, something most footballers are willingly to get to stop a counter attack. They could even take the Keane line and just do it for one match, make Fifa booked them on the world stage for wearing a gay rights armband.


Tbh the standard of footballer we have today is incredibly shite. I’m someone who always hopes England loses every World Cup game 10 - 0 and even I feel embarrassed for their lack of commitment.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Slightly different in that Beckham has never mentioned any of the issues in Qatar to any serious extent.

Also Beckham is reported to have event between £10M and £150M to endorse Qatar. Plus he is a Worldwide star and icon. So that is barely comparable.

Neville I don't know much about. But don't recall him speaking out at all?
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He said on Have I got News For You "it's better to go and highlight the issues than not go and say nothing.". And then got slaughter for it instantly, because he was still taking the Qatari money. To the best of my knowledge, he has done nothing to highlight the issues. But Im sure if Im wrong about that, someone will be up my arse any second with a little video to prove me wrong. And I will happily bend the knee.


It's kinda infuriating to see England taking the knee to support Black Lives Matter, but not have Kane wear an armband to support LGBT folks. Kinda makes it look like they dont support either and will only do whats easy for social media praise. No doubt as soon as they are all back it will be rainbow laces and flag shagging but we wont forget that when it really mattered, only Alex Scott had the balls to defy systemic bigotry.
 
Sweet Square said:
I get can it if it was a boycott of the tournament overall but just for the arm band, the sacrifice was a yellow card, something most footballers are willingly to get to stop a counter attack. They could even take the Keane line and just do it for one match, make Fifa booked them on the world stage for wearing a gay rights armband.


Tbh the standard of footballer we have today is incredibly shite. I’m someone who always hopes England loses every world game 10 - 0 and I feel embarrassed for their lack of commitment.
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Yeah it sucks. Not just footballers either. Really depressing.
 
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