This. It's a fecking joke.
Football leaks: Ibrahimovic and Pogba wages
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Not sure i can believe those figures. The Zlatan wages quoted are insane, i don't think even we are that stupid to gamble that much money on a 35 year old.
Even I have doubts about the stuff they release. For example in the Martial document, Woodward name was Ed Woodward, hard to believe in official documents Ed is used instead of Edward isn't it.
Ok this makes sense! Interesting
Don't really care what the club pays players. We can afford it.
I'm guessing there would be an appearance clause for the CL bonuses and the like.
Interesting how Pogba's wage actually goes down but the rest goes up. Good move from us if true. All taken with a large pinch of salt of course
Interesting how Pogba's wage actually goes down but the rest goes up. Good move from us if true. All taken with a large pinch of salt of course
Image rights mean that we earn from him image though. I bet he adds a lot to our marketing value.
Certainly not a lawyer, in many countries lawyers are obliged to serve their clients interests. Raiola was working for a pizzeria before, I don't think he's disappointed about his career switch.
Scandalous? Yes, but not anymore than the general problem of money taking over the sport and players beeing traded like cattle and race horses.
This. Plenty of football leaks documents have been proven doctored in what concerns portuguese football transfers.
As long as we can afford it, I don't really care.
Plus I'm sure they both add a lot of revenue from marketing & branding
Plus I'm sure they both add a lot of revenue from marketing & branding
Good job Rooney's wage doesn't have to be in line with the top earner, like everyone said a couple of years ago. 
Isn't third party ownership illegal?
Why would anyone believe this obvious nonsense.
We're fecking load, we are.
Only in the UK. It was fine for his agent to own part of his rights as long as he was playing in Italy.
Holy shit. Not that it´s surprising, but it really is insane, how much money these footballers make.
They´re both good, but £367,640 a week is ridiculous. My own club isn´t much better, considering we´ve just given Lovren 100.000 a week. If only I had pursued my excellent chance of becoming a professional footballer..
They´re both good, but £367,640 a week is ridiculous. My own club isn´t much better, considering we´ve just given Lovren 100.000 a week. If only I had pursued my excellent chance of becoming a professional footballer..
This is quite clearly bollocks. Why are people still discussing it?
If true I'm not sure why the surprise?
Zlatan was free so was always going to make a high wage to even that out.
Pogba's wage is very low. That would be the surprise really as thought he'd be on more.
Zlatan was free so was always going to make a high wage to even that out.
Pogba's wage is very low. That would be the surprise really as thought he'd be on more.
422k a week for Zlatan (after bonus)...feck me.
boy are you lucky treble winning is banned. Hed go nuts at you criticising ibraWith the zlatan money, he could/should have scored 40 this season
Notable misses at home against various bottom half of table teams.
We paid Juventus a fee.
They had to share that fee with Raiola as they had agreed with him in 2013.
It had nothing do with us.
In fact Juventus actually ended up paying more for Higuain than they did from the Pogba transfer.
Daily Mail?
Saw a TV show a while back,where they were interviewing the Neville brothers and that's basically what Gary said. He said whenever he wanted to negotiate a new contract he would call the PFA and they would tell him what is the average wage of a player playing in his position for a top 4 club and that's the salary he would demand from the club, give or take a few thousand quid. He said he could understand why a player like Beckham needed an agent, because of all the image rights and the endorsements he used to do. But for a player who doesn't have a lot of endorsements, he said its fairly simple to negotiate your own contract. Makes sense what he says. I mean an average footballer who makes his money from his wages rather than endorsements doesn't really need an agent taking a portion of his pie. Of course for players like Pogba or Zlatan or the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo etc its different because a huge portion of their income is supplemented by image rights.
FIFA banned it recently, but it wasnt at the time the contract was signed. Its definitely banned in the premier league though after the Tevez and Mascherano fiasco.
Another similar case is Neymar to Barcelona. Neymar's father and his company actually got more than half the fee paid. Santos got peanuts instead at the end.
I´d just let them pay me a million dolar to tell them that they don´t need me. Even as the dumbest self negotiator in history Pogba could have banked something of those €50M himself. I´m sure there are lawyers that would handle that shit for 10% of the costs. It´s completely out of hand.
Well he didn´t cost a transfer fee, so naturally that will reflect in his wages.
I think Raiola has handled Pogba's career excellently. He is 24, already has 7 major honours to his name and earns £275k a week after image rights and loyalty bonuses. Which other 24 year old players have achieved so much in sporting and financial terms?
exactly. Mino takes care of his people. His bullying tactics makes club's cringe but they are pretty effective from a player's perspective.
He doesn't appeal to everyone of course. A loyal lad like Scholes would probably kill the guy with his own hands. There again, if you're a player who who want to make the most ££££ out of your career and you wouldn't mind moving from one club to another to achieve that then he's the perfect agent for you.
If Raiola had a % stake in Pogba then he received at least two separate fees. One from Juventus for buying him out of Pogba's ownership %. Another from Man Utd for the deal brokering. The club doing the buying ALWAYS pays an agent fee, I have not heard of case when they don't. Even if Juventus were to pay the brokering cost (extremely unlikely) they would just slap it on top of their valuation for the player and thus increase the total capital we pay them. We still end up paying Mino for brokering the deal, even if it's indirectly.
By the sounds of it he received £22m for his ownership % and £16m for brokering the deal. What I don't know is if the £16m is considered part of the £89m quoted for the deal as whole. Did Juventus receive, after all fees, 89-22-16=£51m... or did they receive 89-22=£67m? Did we pay a total of £89m or 89+16=£105m for the deal? Was the player's actual valuation £67m or £89m?
In either case a £16m broking fee for a transfer of either £89m or £67m in value is basically either 18% or 24% of the deal's value as commission. That's an absolutely insane overhead considering broking commissions in financial services, real estate etc. etc. is usually in the 1%-2% bracket. And those transactions are very heavily regulated from a series of bodies.
Football needs regulation, pronto. FIFA has revelled is the fact that governments and supranational organisations left them to their own devices for years. Football business has been dominated by backhanders, scandals and shoddy business practices for years and there seems to be 0 willingness from the top football body to impose reforms and structure. Even their FFP rules are a joke.
I think the 16m is for brokering three deals.
Ibra, Pogba and Micky. Sadly for such three huge deals, such a figure is nothing out of the ordinary.
As for the fee, United only paid 89 mil(105+5 mil euros)
Juventus statement here: http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2016/paul-pogba-joins-manchester-united.php
and within that official statement pdf file, it states the following:
The economic effect is positive for about € 72.6 million, net of solidarity subsidy and auxiliary expenses.
This is all public information released by Juventus themselves, yet the English media will still basically lie about the fee and all sorts.
And Lingard gets 100
No point in excluding loyalty bonus thoughI'm actually more interested in how much Rooney is shafting the club for. At least these guys are earning their money.
Yeah, but how do you know it's for all 3 deals? The article above says it's just for the Pogba deal. Not that I'm taking the article to face value, but do we have any counter to go by or we just speculating?
None. You need to apply to a license.
I think FIFA released some kind of "guideline" that the limit on an agent fee should be 3 % but I think it's just a recommendation, not an enforceable rule. I could be wrong though.
Because we paid about 10 mil last season for agent fees. And we were the highest spenders I seem to recall. And that was for all our deals.
No one pays 16mil for one deal. Its never happened before.
There was also a strong rumour that Raoila was getting a fee and a bonus if he could broker all three deals.
Its not out of the ordianry for British scribes to inflate the amounts we play. The BBC still claims we paid 31mil pounds for Depay, even after the club that sold him laughed off those rumours.
Where any non Utd players details leaked? I know we pay big wages, but we are not the only club, and are pretty frugal compared to our t/o I believe
According to this leak we are paying Pogba the same amount City offered Milner before his move to Liverpool.
These numbers are bullshit.
These numbers are bullshit.
Are you expecting Rooney to walk away from his 300k a week contract? Or are you expecting a club to buy him and pay him more?
He won't seek a move, so the club will have to pay him his contract in full to move him on, on a free. Or somehow tempt a club willing to purchase him and we'll still need to sort out some kind of deal on the remainder of his deal.
China could beat even the wages we pay.
Even so, he must be doing his nut sat on the bench every week. People love to assume money is the most important factor for already rich footballers, but imagine driving into training every day and keeping yourself (kind of) fit for no reason whatsoever. Yeah you get a paycheque but you know you haven't earned it.
Rooney has maybe 2-3 seasons left in his career. I don't see him spending another sat on the bench just so he can pick up some money.