Final Signing

A summer of signing Mathijis De Ligt, Lenny Yoro, Noussair Mazraoui, Joshua Zirkzee, and Manuel Ugarte is pretty fecking great all things considered.

If Ugarte is the final one, consider me happy.
 
A summer of signing Mathijis De Ligt, Lenny Yoro, Noussair Mazraoui, Joshua Zirkzee, and Manuel Ugarte is pretty fecking great all things considered.

If Ugarte is the final one, consider me happy.
Not to mention some of the deadwood we transferred out. A very good start to the INEOS era.
 
I think Zirkzee can play that part. He scored 16 for Anderlecht and 11 (2 pens) for Bologna as a central attacker. Toney from open play has scored 14 and 7 league goals not counting last season. David without pens has 17 and 14 in the french league. The difference isn’t huge.

Again... its asking alot for a youngster new to the league to fill that role. Zirkzee is a completely different type of attacker - he likes to be involved in the link up play (hence the comparisons to Firmino) - we have a few players who can play this role. Hojlund is much more a traditional number 9 that we have no alternative for - we absolutely need another one.

You put far too much emphasis in these no pen goals etc. Huge difference between playing for United vs Brentford who have only been in the league a few seasons. To score 20 in 33 league games is not to be sniffed at.
 
Good thing is no one has took him yet, so can still explore the opportunity at any time

Maybe he has been told to hold tight, Ashwprth is Coming.

Many seems to have their doubts that he is still a ticking bomb. At least he won't be first choice if it all kicks off
 
Again... its asking alot for a youngster new to the league to fill that role. Zirkzee is a completely different type of attacker - he likes to be involved in the link up play (hence the comparisons to Firmino) - we have a few players who can play this role. Hojlund is much more a traditional number 9 that we have no alternative for - we absolutely need another one.

You put far too much emphasis in these no pen goals etc. Huge difference between playing for United vs Brentford who have only been in the league a few seasons. To score 20 in 33 league games is not to be sniffed at.
Oh, I’m not sniffing at it. Just saying that if Toney played with Bruno Fernandes at Brentford, he’d likely be registered with 14 league goals in his most prolific season. Wich is not so far ahead of Zirkzee’s 9 for
Bologna (not Utd).

I think Toney has other uses as a nine than scoring btw. But so does Zirkzee I believe. I’m willing to wait though, we’ve got frontline alternatives like Garnacho, Højlund, Amad and Zirkzee, all 19-23. It’s a bit about perspective as well. Toney would be useful with his experience (moreso than 24 year old David?). I accept it if some people have a shorter perspective - and Ten Hag has reason to, he might not be here for the long haul that Ashworth et all seemingly is aiming at. Therefor I would understand if Ten Hag preferred Toney to Zirkzee. But I prefer Zirkzee’s promise and a more patient perspective.

But Jonathan David doesn’t really tick any of my boxes so far. I don’t claim to be in the right, though, it’s all hypotheses, hunches and guesswork on my part.
 
We scored 57 goals last year. We’ve lost Mctomminay’s goals. Brought in only Zirkzee to add to this. I’m concerned. Need a scorer.
 
I’m also very concerned at our lack of goal options. We don’t create a truckload of chances but the little we do we don’t even take half of them. I’m really hoping Ruud can help teach these players a thing or two about finish off chances. Otherwise it’s a long season ahead once again.
 
I’m also very concerned at our lack of goal options. We don’t create a truckload of chances but the little we do we don’t even take half of them. I’m really hoping Ruud can help teach these players a thing or two about finish off chances. Otherwise it’s a long season ahead once again.

Yeah that's all we can hope
 
Maybe he has been told to hold tight, Ashwprth is Coming.

Many seems to have their doubts that he is still a ticking bomb. At least he won't be first choice if it all kicks off

Like I have said before IF he wants that Utd move bad enough he will negotiate wages and contract to fit in with INEOS structure.

Much as I want us to pick him up if he's not willing to do that then feel free to stay a free agent until someone will pay you enough
 
I have a sneaky suspicion that you might get your wish @croadyman. I feel we will get a cheeky deadline day striker and links to Toney and DCL are heating up now Ugarte is done.

I’m going for Sancho and Lindelof out, Toney in and hopefully not touch Sterling with a barge pole.
 
Lacking a difference maker in the final third, but those don't grow on trees. The team is built for Rashford to get chances, but he doesn't seem like he has it in him to get back to his level of a couple of years ago.
 
Lacking a difference maker in the final third, but those don't grow on trees. The team is built for Rashford to get chances, but he doesn't seem like he has it in him to get back to his level of a couple of years ago.
Harsh on Rasmus and Garnacho. When we are up and running they will both be banging them in!
 
We scored 57 goals last year. We’ve lost Mctomminay’s goals. Brought in only Zirkzee to add to this. I’m concerned. Need a scorer.
One would hope Rashford picks up form, Hojlund, Garnacho and Amad will develop into better players and will add some goals in and the midfield will be stronger and will provide more for the attackers.
 
One would hope Rashford picks up form, Hojlund, Garnacho and Amad will develop into better players and will add some goals in and the midfield will be stronger and will provide more for the attackers.
Harsh on Rasmus and Garnacho. When we are up and running they will both be banging them in!
Yea, that is the hope. But you can't hang your hat on any of them. To be competing near the top of the league you need players you can rely upon to deliver when the chances are there. We have made good chances in the first couple of games and have found many different ways to blow most of them. When you look at the likes of Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle (not even the elite teams in the league), their attacking options are not only much more reliable than ours in front of goal, but they give the team much more out of possession too.

This will especially cost us away from home. You need to take your chances when you are on top.
 
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ST: Hojlund/Zirkzee/Chido

LW: Rashford/Garnacho

CAM: Bruno/Mount

RW: Amad/Antony

CM (Def): Ugarte/Casemiro/Kone

CM (B2B): Mainoo/Mount/Colleyer

LB: Shaw/Malacia/Amass

LCB: Licha/Maguire

RCB: De Ligt/Yoro

RB: Nous/Dalot

GK: Onana/Vitek/Heaton
Given Sancho, Eriksen and Lindelof leave, it looks like a decent squad going into the season. Should atleast be able to challenge for Top 5 positions. If I were to add a final signings to these, it would be clinical winger profile (ala Trossard) or a versatile CM to cover Mainoo/Ugarte (ala Rabiot). Bringing a striker would mean 3 players for 1 position, overkill.
 
ST: Hojlund/Zirkzee/Chido

LW: Rashford/Garnacho

CAM: Bruno/Mount

RW: Amad/Antony

CM (Def): Ugarte/Casemiro/Kone

CM (B2B): Mainoo/Mount/Colleyer

LB: Shaw/Malacia/Amass

LCB: Licha/Maguire

RCB: De Ligt/Yoro

RB: Nous/Dalot

GK: Onana/Vitek/Heaton
Given Sancho, Eriksen and Lindelof leave, it looks like a decent squad going into the season. Should atleast be able to challenge for Top 5 positions. If I were to add a final signings to these, it would be clinical winger profile (ala Trossard) or a versatile CM to cover Mainoo/Ugarte (ala Rabiot). Bringing a striker would mean 3 players for 1 position, overkill.

Obi-Martin is an academy signing, don't know why I'm asking this but would you consider Sterling a clinical winger (was at City in my opinion)
 
Obi-Martin is an academy signing, don't know why I'm asking this but would you consider Sterling a clinical winger (was at City in my opinion)
I have a sneaky feeling he will get some 1st team minutes this season, especially given the new european format, depends how he performs in them. There's a reason he picked us over Arsenal.

And no, he has regressed a ton since leaving city and I feel even at City he wasn't clinical. The sheer amount of chances they generate was the driving force behind his numbers, was sold for a reason.
 
Starting to look like Ugarte was final signing, maybe we will realise after window closes that Rabiot could be useful 8 to add but who knows. Hermoso too as he has that flexibility to play LCB/LB
 
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Starting to look like Ugarte was final signing, maybe we will realise after window closes that Rabiot could be useful 8 to add but who knows. Hermoso too as he has that flexibility to play LCB/LB
As a free agent Rabiot can be signed after the window closes. It’s logical management spends time on other deals currently
 
Nearly every summer people say they are happy with the business. We have no idea how this summer will work out. But I do think it is clear that we couldn't solve every problem in a single summer. Would like to see ten hag make some actual progress now and would like to see a clear approach, that would make the job of identifying gaps actually possible
 
Still think there’s a rabbit in the hat somewhere but I’ve moved away from my initial thought of Toney due to finances and I’m now hedging all my bets on Sterling, mainly due to us trying to offload a winger and the seemingly opportunistic predicament he finds himself in this late in the window.
 
Starting to look like Ugarte was final signing, maybe we will realise after window closes that Rabiot could be useful 8 to add but who knows. Hermoso too as he has that flexibility to play LCB/LB
Hermoso is close to joining Galatasaray it seems. Rabiot will probably end up at Milan/Barca - perhaps we weren't willing to accept his demands regarding wages and/or contract length.

Only signing that could still happen is Sterling on loan imo. We need goals and he is experienced attacker who'll provide us decent amount of G/A probably. So final signing is either Ugarte or Sterling. Interesting 36 hours or so coming up. No more outgoing transfers either except for Sancho.
 
I guess it's between Ugarte, Koné and Obi Martin ( I understand the contract still hasn't been signed)
 
ST: Hojlund/Zirkzee/Chido

LW: Rashford/Garnacho

CAM: Bruno/Mount

RW: Amad/Antony

CM (Def): Ugarte/Casemiro/Kone

CM (B2B): Mainoo/Mount/Colleyer

LB: Shaw/Malacia/Amass

LCB: Licha/Maguire

RCB: De Ligt/Yoro

RB: Nous/Dalot

GK: Onana/Vitek/Heaton
Given Sancho, Eriksen and Lindelof leave, it looks like a decent squad going into the season. Should atleast be able to challenge for Top 5 positions. If I were to add a final signings to these, it would be clinical winger profile (ala Trossard) or a versatile CM to cover Mainoo/Ugarte (ala Rabiot). Bringing a striker would mean 3 players for 1 position, overkill.

Chiesa and Rabiot would have fit the profiles you mentioned. Shame.
 
ST: Hojlund/Zirkzee/Chido

LW: Rashford/Garnacho

CAM: Bruno/Mount

RW: Amad/Antony

CM (Def): Ugarte/Casemiro/Kone

CM (B2B): Mainoo/Mount/Colleyer

LB: Shaw/Malacia/Amass

LCB: Licha/Maguire

RCB: De Ligt/Yoro

RB: Nous/Dalot

GK: Onana/Vitek/Heaton
Given Sancho, Eriksen and Lindelof leave, it looks like a decent squad going into the season. Should atleast be able to challenge for Top 5 positions. If I were to add a final signings to these, it would be clinical winger profile (ala Trossard) or a versatile CM to cover Mainoo/Ugarte (ala Rabiot). Bringing a striker would mean 3 players for 1 position, overkill.
Ok reality Check, C Obi Martin isn’t even signed yet and he’s a 16 year old kid, I’d go as far as to say Ethan Wheatley is currently ahead in the pecking order, Shaw is at least 3 weeks from first team football, Malacia is at least another 3 months, Leny Yoro 3 months, Rasmus 1 month, Mason Mount 5/6 weeks. Kone and Amass will be playing U21 football, and dare I say Johny Evan’s will probably play at least another 15-20 games this season.

Can’t see Lindelof going, he’s on crutches but Eriksen probably leaves, who knows what Sancho going to do?

So that’s a squad of 21 to 22 Fit first team players to probably play 4 PL games in September, 1 Europa League and 1 Carabo cup, followed by 3 Pl games, 2 Europa league and 1 potential 4th round carabo cup.

That’s 12 high octane matches in next 8/9 weeks with two international breaks, our squad has as usual huge injury issues it’s why we need more, even if they are from the loan market.

Releasing and selling 15 players has Reduced the wage bill by £1.5m per week and the club have so far only added
M De Ligt(180k), N Mazraoui(100k),
J Zirkzee(85k), M Ugarte(160k),
L Yoro(120k), Bruno(.+80k upgrade),
C Obi Martin(20k), S Kone (10k)

That’s a total of about £755k per week so currently a surplus £745k, the club still needs to sort out a contract for Kobbie which will be another £75k per week let’s say £95k and that leaves £650k left, so I’m sure we can do a left back loan deal and should Sancho be sold last minute that would free up £35/40m transfer funds plus £275k per week to replace a striker/wide player.

We are still two players short of having a competent top 4/5 squad and ones of those players needs to guarantee at least 12/15 goals per season in the PL.
 
Ok reality Check, C Obi Martin isn’t even signed yet and he’s a 16 year old kid, I’d go as far as to say Ethan Wheatley is currently ahead in the pecking order, Shaw is at least 3 weeks from first team football, Malacia is at least another 3 months, Leny Yoro 3 months, Rasmus 1 month, Mason Mount 5/6 weeks. Kone and Amass will be playing U21 football, and dare I say Johny Evan’s will probably play at least another 15-20 games this season.

Can’t see Lindelof going, he’s on crutches but Eriksen probably leaves, who knows what Sancho going to do?

So that’s a squad of 21 to 22 Fit first team players to probably play 4 PL games in September, 1 Europa League and 1 Carabo cup, followed by 3 Pl games, 2 Europa league and 1 potential 4th round carabo cup.

That’s 12 high octane matches in next 8/9 weeks with two international breaks, our squad has as usual huge injury issues it’s why we need more, even if they are from the loan market.

Releasing and selling 15 players has Reduced the wage bill by £1.5m per week and the club have so far only added
M De Ligt(180k), N Mazraoui(100k),
J Zirkzee(85k), M Ugarte(160k),
L Yoro(120k), Bruno(.+80k upgrade),
C Obi Martin(20k), S Kone (10k)

That’s a total of about £755k per week so currently a surplus £745k, the club still needs to sort out a contract for Kobbie which will be another £75k per week let’s say £95k and that leaves £650k left, so I’m sure we can do a left back loan deal and should Sancho be sold last minute that would free up £35/40m transfer funds plus £275k per week to replace a striker/wide player.

We are still two players short of having a competent top 4/5 squad and ones of those players needs to guarantee at least 12/15 goals per season in the PL.
Looks like Rasmus is back in training so I'm hoping he's back into contention after the break. Idk I just have a cheeky feeling Chido will have a bigger part to play, there's a reason he left Arsenal given they have almost no Competition for the ST position (Only Havertz/Jesus).

My post was based on us not having many more injuries, what a fool I was, haha. Honestly these injuries are just so weird, Mount had a full pre-season, looked sharp, and still ended up getting injured. Honestly if we maintain our injury record we'd need at least 5 more signings.
 
Looks like Rasmus is back in training so I'm hoping he's back into contention after the break. Idk I just have a cheeky feeling Chido will have a bigger part to play, there's a reason he left Arsenal given they have almost no Competition for the ST position (Only Havertz/Jesus).

My post was based on us not having many more injuries, what a fool I was, haha. Honestly these injuries are just so weird, Mount had a full pre-season, looked sharp, and still ended up getting injured. Honestly if we maintain our injury record we'd need at least 5 more signings.
What about Sterling joining in the next 14 hours on loan ?
Do you think its possible?
 
Ok reality Check, C Obi Martin isn’t even signed yet and he’s a 16 year old kid, I’d go as far as to say Ethan Wheatley is currently ahead in the pecking order, Shaw is at least 3 weeks from first team football, Malacia is at least another 3 months, Leny Yoro 3 months, Rasmus 1 month, Mason Mount 5/6 weeks. Kone and Amass will be playing U21 football, and dare I say Johny Evan’s will probably play at least another 15-20 games this season.

Can’t see Lindelof going, he’s on crutches but Eriksen probably leaves, who knows what Sancho going to do?

So that’s a squad of 21 to 22 Fit first team players to probably play 4 PL games in September, 1 Europa League and 1 Carabo cup, followed by 3 Pl games, 2 Europa league and 1 potential 4th round carabo cup.

That’s 12 high octane matches in next 8/9 weeks with two international breaks, our squad has as usual huge injury issues it’s why we need more, even if they are from the loan market.

Releasing and selling 15 players has Reduced the wage bill by £1.5m per week and the club have so far only added
M De Ligt(180k), N Mazraoui(100k),
J Zirkzee(85k), M Ugarte(160k),
L Yoro(120k), Bruno(.+80k upgrade),
C Obi Martin(20k), S Kone (10k)

That’s a total of about £755k per week so currently a surplus £745k, the club still needs to sort out a contract for Kobbie which will be another £75k per week let’s say £95k and that leaves £650k left, so I’m sure we can do a left back loan deal and should Sancho be sold last minute that would free up £35/40m transfer funds plus £275k per week to replace a striker/wide player.

We are still two players short of having a competent top 4/5 squad and ones of those players needs to guarantee at least 12/15 goals per season in the PL.

We clearly do need more but I think the aim is to keep that surplus you are referring to. The wages and amortisation fees were out of control and this is the first step to resolve that.

Maybe we take someone on loan if we can offload Sancho but this season we are going to have to make do and then build from there.