Aw, come on. Don't go there.Probably more of a penalty than 1990
Final - Germany vs. Argentina
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"that's how 'the gauchos' are walking, 'the gauchos' walk like that"
"that's how 'die deutschen' are walking, 'die deutschen' walk like that"
Weidenfeller, Mustafi, Schürrle, Klose, Götze and Kroos.
Well, that certainly wasn't the most graceful celebration I've ever seen...
Interesting theory there! In discussing football you ask others to forget where the ball is! LOL
If a striker (or any outfield players) is determined to compete the ball in the air with a goal keeper, unless he's over 7 foot tall hence his head "might" reach the ball only the goalies hands can reach, getting into the path of the goalie that way is just very dangerous play
What is not graceful there. They are very funny and celebratory. When people are happy they do things child like (the most simple way of showing happiness not afraid of being laughed at as being silly etc). As fans celebrating a goal for example you act the way when normally seen as silly. What's the problem?
I keep watching this and really like it
I should have put a winkie. Of course it's funny. But also they're mocking their opponents, which just lacks a bit of humility. I'm german, btw. So there's no way in hell I would want them to keep their joy to themselves.
German seem really obnoxious.... those weird caveman like celebrations paired with that graceful language...
I totaly agree with redevil. I don't see a problem there at all and i hope i didn't start an unnecessary discussion with this video. It's just some celebration and fun.
I know Poldi is.They are all probably still completly drunken
Come on Miro, drink like you've never drunk before! You beautiful son of a bitch!
If the Germans are being mocked as a result of a loss, you know what they would do eh! Keep working hard and improve so next time you come back stronger. Nothing wrong with mocking when you're celebrating honestly. On another note and to be fair, the DFB team should have felt a bit hard done by when the golden ball goes to messi as he didn't deserve it than German players such as mullier etc
well that caveman dance started back in "i dont know" i think. Some People get the wrong Message from it but who cares .
.I could easily reverse the argument you're making and the only difference would be that Higuain seems to have more pain afterwards. That does not decide who gets the foul, though. In a situation like this, where both charge recklessly, there is no foul. The severity of the impact doesn't make it more or less illegal for both of them to be in a final and charge recklessly into the ball, because it could decide the game. The more we talk about it, the more I feel like the ref has done a good job. Not perfect, a throw in would have been proper as many here pointed out, but giving a penalty would have skewed the game endlessly and instead of discussing what the rights of a GK in the penalty box are, we could be discussing how the ref stole the cup from Germany and handed it to Argentina. That's probably not how they would like to win the cup, so how about we bury this...
classy, classy germans
then we are the cavemen
then we are the cavemen
These super efficient androids must be stopped. Both at Bayern and Internationals.
Now you know what they trained in the training camp most - diving...
... or how do you get Lahm to look taller...
... or how do you get Lahm to look taller...
Nope. Wrong interpretation. Nothing to do with that. Nowhere a word of cavemen in that song.
The walk of the "gauchos" expresses depression, grief, mourning. The walk of the germans expresses joy. Zat's all. Much respect here for Argentina.
yes, i can see the respect
What is striking here why should you mention the loser in your victory celebration and mention their sorry, grief etc., You are celebrating for your own victory? or celebrating for the loss of another nation? I hope they won't mind when someone wins against them in future and ridicule them for their depression.
You call that respect?? Maybe your sense of respect is synonymous to mocking your opponents. And remember it's not a traditional rivalry like Argentina-England or Argentina-Brazil where people tend to get bit overboard.
No, I call that fun. In not very good taste, maybe, but still fun. Fan fun. An act of fraternization with the hardcore fans. A drunken act, perhaps. Wasn't meant as an insult, but may have looked like one. Sorry.
Respect for Agentina overall you find alot in Germany today. That's what I meant.
the 'song' is difficult to explain for foreigners, but i'll try my luck:
when i was at a match between VFL Bochum and Stuttgart a few years ago the bochum fans kept singing the song for the whole second half mentioning every single one of their Bundesliga opponents - in place of 'gauchos' today - at that time. If you told other fans about that nobody would feel really disrespected, as it's more of a song that children (or drunken fans) would sing, there is no real offense or swear words in it. As 'tom from munich' said it's just fan fun, you sing, you 'dance' (or whatever you want to call it) and enjoy yourself. No bad feelings towards anybody at all.
when i was at a match between VFL Bochum and Stuttgart a few years ago the bochum fans kept singing the song for the whole second half mentioning every single one of their Bundesliga opponents - in place of 'gauchos' today - at that time. If you told other fans about that nobody would feel really disrespected, as it's more of a song that children (or drunken fans) would sing, there is no real offense or swear words in it. As 'tom from munich' said it's just fan fun, you sing, you 'dance' (or whatever you want to call it) and enjoy yourself. No bad feelings towards anybody at all.
i was still a little butthurt for the loss the other day, so i over reacted
it's nothing more than a group of world champions celebrating whith their fans, and the fact they mention the "gauchos" shouldnt be taken as an insult but as a sign of respect -in the sense that they beat us and that they are happy they did because we were a good opponent-
i can´t see the difference from that celebration with the one that the argentinian players singing along with the argentinian fans the song "brazil tell me how it feels"
brazilians might hate that song, but seriously, it only shows how much we respect and fear them
cheers
it's nothing more than a group of world champions celebrating whith their fans, and the fact they mention the "gauchos" shouldnt be taken as an insult but as a sign of respect -in the sense that they beat us and that they are happy they did because we were a good opponent-
i can´t see the difference from that celebration with the one that the argentinian players singing along with the argentinian fans the song "brazil tell me how it feels"
brazilians might hate that song, but seriously, it only shows how much we respect and fear them
cheers
I don't think its difficult to explain the song.
However you try to excuse it, the song is ment to mock the opponent.
German fans often sing it, even before the match is played.
Probably/Hopefully the popularity was the reason they choosed it, just to have fun with the fans.
Perhaps the 2006 Quarterfinal had something to do with it. Who knows, but winning the world cup shall be enough of a revange.
I didn't like it. Even if they were understandably overconfident and proud about the victory, they shouldd have been a bit more reasonable, before starting to sing.
@argentinas please don't take it personal. it was a little disrespectfull, but certainly not ment to make fun about argentinen citizen, like the cagemen comment suggests.
Bochum-Schalke, 7 years ago:
Germany-Czech, 7 years ago:
England-Germany, 6 years ago:
do you need more examples
Cheers
,Germany has already enough rivals. We don't need the Argentinians to join them
. But you're probably right. We shouldn't overreact. It's part of the game to make a little fun and celebrate. As long they are respectful on the pitch.The song is nothing. This team is just class. It was a celebration which showed the joy the Germans had and have with this victory. And they are men, some humor isnt sweet candy.
Thats totally normal and outside of Germany only haters react to that strongly in the end.
Right, CLARiiON?
People like marcosdeto have the right to be pissed about it after the loss. But he, like any normal human, can laugh about it now.
Its a non event and either fastly forgotten or remembered as a good example for stupid negative storymaking German media.
So, lets end this thread in a good way.
WELTMEISTER
Thats totally normal and outside of Germany only haters react to that strongly in the end.
Right, CLARiiON?
People like marcosdeto have the right to be pissed about it after the loss. But he, like any normal human, can laugh about it now.
Its a non event and either fastly forgotten or remembered as a good example for stupid negative storymaking German media.
So, lets end this thread in a good way.
WELTMEISTER
The song is nothing. This team is just class. It was a celebration which showed the joy the Germans had and have with this victory. And they are men, some humor isnt sweet candy.
Thats totally normal and outside of Germany only haters react to that strongly in the end.
Right, CLARiiON?
People like marcosdeto have the right to be pissed about it after the loss. But he, like any normal human, can laugh about it now.
Its a non event and either fastly forgotten or remembered as a good example for stupid negative storymaking German media.
So, lets end this thread in a good way.
WELTMEISTER
demichelis, who played in germany, was asked about that celebration and he said that there´s nothing to be offended about
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But I do not think that Micho is offended about anything anymore as he has listened 7 years to all kind of Lederhosensongs.
Yes. True.
And sorry man. But you did great and you will have a shot in Russia. Wish you the best.
Right, CLARiiON?
Wrong. But then you don't care, and I don't give a damn..
thank you mate, but playing the final game in front of the brazilians was enough glory for a century
Haha, yes. You can tell me now; would Argentina still be there if you had won? Or would it have exploded?
And you are right. Nothing tops winning in the country of your biggest enemy. 90(sorry again) was before my time but the fact alone give me fun every time.
96 as revenge for 66 was great also. But there is always that one team(country) that you love to beat.
Yeah, it really hurt to watch you guys lose in the most agonizing way possible, after all those songs and such
more agonizing than a 7 1 at home vs. germany? or a 3 0 vs. the dutchs? after paying 10th of billion dollars and watch my worst enemy dancing the final dance?
mmmmmm let me think ...
nope, i rather lose the final game 1-0 at the maracana in front of thousands of brazilians wearing a german shirt
and that's final
I know our performance was far worse, but in the end we got the last laugh and you guys are still stuck at 2 WCs, blowing a huge opportunity to actually be in a position to sing us songs and rivalize with us
I know our performance was far worse, but in the end we got the last laugh and you guys are still stuck at 2 WCs, blowing a huge opportunity to actually be in a position to sing us songs and rivalize with us
well mate, there´s no argument about brazil being the best football nation, all you´ve won clearly states that, but we, and the uruguayans, have our minor victories against you, that show that some times -very few- we can compete with the best
and this was one of those times, that´s why i'm happy
no one will take the jules rimmet cup you deservedly own, the five world cups you won, pele, garrincha, 1970 brazil, or the fact that you are the best,
but the fact that WE played the final game at the maracana is awesome and will always be there for us to remind you
cheers mate
Well, I kind of like the songs anyways.. Adds some colour to the somewhat dull national team football.
Still, I cannot believe the general feeling in Argentina is "yay! we got 2nd place" rather than "I want to throw sharp objects at Higuain and Palacio for scrweing up this immense and historical opportunity"
Still, I cannot believe the general feeling in Argentina is "yay! we got 2nd place" rather than "I want to throw sharp objects at Higuain and Palacio for scrweing up this immense and historical opportunity"
because we never thought we where going to play that game
before the world cup, because of our defense
during the world cup, because it was obvious that only messi was playing well, while aguera, di maria and higuain were failing miserably
and for you playing the final game might be not that important, but it took us 24 years to be there again, so most of the argentinians never saw o remember argentina playing for the world cup
Fair enough, I don't disagree with you.. But it still will be funny next year in Copa America if I have to hear songs about "I got 2nd place in your house!" or some nonsense like that haha