Fickle United Fans - This place is worse than KopTalk

Originally posted by giggzy:
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Seba's top peformances:


Everton (home) MOM
Olympiakos (away) MOM
Liverpool (Home)
Nantes (home) MOM
Derby (away) MOM
Depor (home) MOM

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I've seen 3 of those matches and thought he was excellent against Deportivo..

He went missing against Derby when they came back at you..and was decentish against us..
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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great. iam debating with an ABU :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

He was terrible against Liverpool, and this is in your list of top performances!

What do you expect.

And I think its funny that because I can see the wood for the trees I am therefore an ABU.

I saw all of the games in your list with the exception of Nantes. If these were top performances then we have a different perception of what a 28 million pound (and world class) footballer should bring.

Ill motivated shoddy play isnt what I would want from a world class footballer.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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You're assuming he will revert to type..

Who says he will?

We can only go on what he's done?

Which isn't a lot...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Correct, this debate should be held in 2 or 3 years but some people on this board are fast to complain when something goes wrong. Then it is possible measure how good the investment has been. When we spent 28 m on one player I do think the board were thinking longer than one season.
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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Techy analogies are suspect - in that they point toward the user having no life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you saying that Mr Dimwitson is a no lifed bore?

Well that must be a first for anybody to think that... ;)
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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Techy analogies are suspect - in that they point toward the user having no life.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I had to use one that was close to Davos situation so that he'd understand faster.
 
Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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I had to use one that was close to Davos situation so that he'd understand faster.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good man.
;)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>This thread wouldn't even exist if his shot on Tuesday hadn't been so excellently saved. We would have won 3-1 and all of the knockers would not have come out with their shite!</strong><hr></blockquote>

There you go again <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Clutching for something that 'Almost' came off

Notice the Pattern
 
Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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Correct, this debate should be held in 2 or 3 years but some people on this board are fast to complain when something goes wrong. Then it is possible measure how good the investment has been. When we spent 28 m on one player I do think the board were thinking longer than one season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You've got to take into the account the result of the "investment" from start onwards..

And replace it if its feckin things up and adding little value
 
Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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There you go again <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Clutching for something that 'Almost' came off

Notice the Pattern</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, that if something slightly goes wrong, people like you start blaiming Verón for no other reason that he's an Argie! :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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You've got to take into the account the result of the "investment" from start onwards..

And replace it if its feckin things up and adding little value</strong><hr></blockquote>

We can always sell him after the World Cup after he plays well with the Argies for a probable profit. The 'investment' is sound - it's just that noone wants to sell him.

Apart from me and Stan.
;)
 
Weaste

Why dont you just resort to saying that i've never been to Manchester before?

That was the only part of your 'Case for Veron' argument that was any fun, cos by asking me that, you were really proving his worth at the same time
 
For Stan -

argentinia-flag.gif


:cool:
 
Originally posted by sutty:
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He was terrible against Liverpool, and this is in your list of top performances!

What do you expect.

And I think its funny that because I can see the wood for the trees I am therefore an ABU.

I saw all of the games in your list with the exception of Nantes. If these were top performances then we have a different perception of what a 28 million pound (and world class) footballer should bring.

Ill motivated shoddy play isnt what I would want from a world class footballer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

oh right so you saw the Everton match where he got MOM??

He was MOM against Everton, Olympiakos, Nantes, and Depor.. i also thought he worked his bollocks of versus Liverpool at OT..and he was our best player against Derby, where he ran the game like the Depor match.


There's no point arguing with a myopic ABU scouser.
 
Originally posted by passiveman:
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We can always sell him after the World Cup after he plays well with the Argies for a probable profit. The 'investment' is sound - it's just that noone wants to sell him.

Apart from me and Stan.
;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


IF he does well in the World Cup...

Lots of ifs and buts re Veron ain't there?

;)
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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There's no point arguing with a myopic ABU scouser.</strong><hr></blockquote>


How true - so feck off to another thread...


;)
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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IF he does well in the World Cup...

Lots of ifs and buts re Veron ain't there?

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

There are when it's you bringing the words up Davo, yes! ;)
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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IF he does well in the World Cup...

Lots of ifs and buts re Veron ain't there?

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

AFTER he does well in the World Cup. But it's irrelevant cos I doubt SAF will sell him.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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oh right so you saw the Everton match where he got MOM??

He was MOM against Everton, Olympiakos, Nantes, and Depor.. i also thought he worked his bollocks of versus Liverpool at OT..and he was our best player against Derby, where he ran the game like the Depor match.


There's no point arguing with a myopic ABU scouser.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He did look far more interested than usual against us..

I found it amusing that you were all so delighted with that, as opposed to being annoyed he hadn't done it beforehand..

And despite his "brillance" we still won.. ;)
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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He did look far more interested than usual against us..

I found it amusing that you were all so delighted with that, as opposed to being annoyed he hadn't done it beforehand..

And despite his "brillance" we still won.. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Danny Murphy's the type of player we need. ;)
 
Another strange thing, if these SA players take so long to settle( speshly when they arrive via Italy )then it's even more ironic that people on this board bounce names around from that part of the world everyday
 
It took me ages to finish reading the thread, and the thread being so long was probably the reason why so few posters reply to it. First page was a heated debate, second page was less so, third page jokes and 'general forum conversations' ;) and the fourth different comments.

I hate it when United loses a match, not only because it dampens my mood for the entire day, but also because of absurd posts appearing all over the forums. I appreciate when comments made are sensible and objective - comments over our play and stuff, but yelling to sell the players and stuff just gets on my nerves. I swear I have never done that, though I had commented on the team's performance before, which I believe everyone is entitled to. And when one gives constructive criticism to the team doesn't mean that he is not a real supporter.

As for the Veron debate, I believe that he is a world-class player but really, he hasn't shown his worth in United yet. We all know what he is capable of, there were glimpses of his genious in matches but he is certainly able to produce better performances. No, it's not asking for him to be world-class in every match, but at least a certain standard should be maintained. However, I shan't give him a death sentence as yet because he has only just joined us for a short period of time and like a lot of posters have said, he should be given more time to prove himself.

United... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Danny Murphy's the type of player we need. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats the thing tho..

Veron's a 28m world class player..

Murphy's a decent enough PL player, no more..

And its hard to tell the difference..
;)
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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oh right so you saw the Everton match where he got MOM??

He was MOM against Everton, Olympiakos, Nantes, and Depor.. i also thought he worked his bollocks of versus Liverpool at OT..and he was our best player against Derby, where he ran the game like the Depor match.


There's no point arguing with a myopic ABU scouser.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Right.

You list a very medicore performance against Liverpool and a reasonable performance against Derby (and a performace against Depor which I acknowledge as excellent) in a list of 6 games this season. He's played in what? 40?

This is supposed to be a world class player. I don't think he has come anywhere near that phrase.
You lot have a go at Gerrard as being overrated but he's turned in far more performances of better quality than the ones you list as evidence that Veron, a 28 million pound "world class player" isnt a disappointment.

If you haven't been disappointed by his this season then I would suggest that it is in fact you who needs their eyes testing. His contribution, without reference to his price tag, has been less than you would expect in one of the best midfields in europe.
 
Originally posted by sutty:
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Right.

You list a very medicore performance against Liverpool and a reasonable performance against Derby (and a performace against Depor which I acknowledge as excellent) in a list of 6 games this season. He's played in what? 40?

This is supposed to be a world class player. I don't think he has come anywhere near that phrase.
You lot have a go at Gerrard as being overrated but he's turned in far more performances of better quality than the ones you list as evidence that Veron, a 28 million pound "world class player" isnt a disappointment.

If you haven't been disappointed by his this season then I would suggest that it is in fact you who needs their eyes testing. His contribution, without reference to his price tag, has been less than you would expect in one of the best midfields in europe.</strong><hr></blockquote>


read my post at the top of this page.. where the feck did i say he WASN'T disappointing...


FFS.


BTW, steven gerrard's had about one good performance all year <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by Huiting:
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As for the Veron debate, I believe that he is a world-class player but really, he hasn't shown his worth in United yet. We all know what he is capable of, there were glimpses of his genious in matches but he is certainly able to produce better performances. No, it's not asking for him to be world-class in every match, but at least a certain standard should be maintained. However, I shan't give him a death sentence as yet because he has only just joined us for a short period of time and like a lot of posters have said, he should be given more time to prove himself.

United... <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with most of that

The trouble is that when some poster will swear blind that he HAS turned in majestic performances and disagree that he's been poor, it kinda makes you topple your own argument over into and extreme opposite
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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BTW, steven gerrard's had about one good performance all year <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Which game was that then?

The game against you at OT when he won MOTM despite the fact that Veron was trying?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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read my post at the top of this page.. where the feck did i say he WASN'T disappointing...


FFS.


BTW, steven gerrard's had about one good performance all year <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


You said disappointing by "HIS" standards. This is different from being disappointing full stop. I think he has been the latter rather than the former. You do me a disservice in implying that its a subjective bias that is motivating what I am saying. I had conceded the league to youse when you bought him. I thought you were improving on an already excellent midfield.

Clearly I was wrong. He has failed to do all of the things that I expected of him, surely your expectations will have been higher?

And Gerrard has been excellent since the Utd game at old trafford. It seems that goal scoring pass to Murphy really gave him confidence to achieve last years standards.
 
Gerrard's a one season wonder.. brilliant last year but this season he's trying to be a player maker... he's a poor mans Nicky Butt and i don't think he should forget that.... ;)
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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Which game was that then?

The game against you at OT when he won MOTM despite the fact that Veron was trying?</strong><hr></blockquote>

His motivation is his biggest question mark IMO.
 
Originally posted by sutty:
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His motivation is his biggest question mark IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

His motivation <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , what are you his therapist or something. What the feck do you really know about his motivation.
 
Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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His motivation <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , what are you his therapist or something. What the feck do you really know about his motivation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

AKA his desire, his work rate. Things that are visible. You could never say the same thing about Keane's motivation.

Fecking hell you're dull.
 
I think that too many people think that Verón is or should be a box to box player, which he is not. He hasn't got the stamina to be so.
 
Listen folks, why do you feel the need to defend every member of our team to the hilt as though not doings so will give the scousers and gooners a good laugh at your expense?

Why are you bothered what they think? Come on let's be serious here, we don't give a shit if they want to have a laugh at you and call you a fickle part time United supporter. Have you all so little conviction in your own loyalties that you let such people get to you?

We all know who we support and if someone wants to have a go at you on an internet forum for a point of view that is clearly founded on little more than a post you have made criticising a player then let him. He means nothing.

Sutty et al are not suggesting anything other than the fact that Veron has been disappointing this season, something I think that in your heart of hearts you know as true.

There is no need for self appointed defenders of the faith to get on their high horses and pretend otherwise. If you diss a player or suggest that a player hasn't lived up to expectation it doesn't make you any less of a supporter now does it?
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>If you diss a player or suggest that a player hasn't lived up to expectation it doesn't make you any less of a supporter now does it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

That depends on how it is done! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by sutty:
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AKA his desire, his work rate. Things that are visible. You could never say the same thing about Keane's motivation.

Fecking hell you're dull.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I'm extremely dull but it has to be said that you and some of your mates are not very good at debating, i.e. you have piss poor arguments.

Davo and to an extent softlad can make a case provided they have some facts. Give the same facts to you, dj sydney or the rest of these amateurs and it is unlikely that anyone will hear a decent argument from any of you. Poor wind-ups are what you are.