Fergie selling macheda?

Donut said:
Why would Macheda be worth more than Welbeck, when Welbeck had a very good loan spell and on the other hand Macheda had a disastrous one.

Macheda, probably around 5 million and Welbeck I'd say Sunderland would be willing to pay around 12, but we won't sell him in any case.
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I thought that because over the last 3 years or so I have seen more technical ability from Macheda than from Wellbeck. Both great young players, but for me Macheda has the bigger name on the European market, and I think clubs would pay more for him.
 
Jonno said:
Im not saying we will sell either, I personally think we should, and will keep both of them and try to integrate them to the first team in the next 2 years
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You don't think we will but you think we should....??:confused:
 
Jonno said:
I thought that because over the last 3 years or so I have seen more technical ability from Macheda than from Wellbeck. Both great young players, but for me Macheda has the bigger name on the European market, and I think clubs would pay more for him.
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Now I know you're joking.
 
Jonno said:
I thought that because over the last 3 years or so I have seen more technical ability from Macheda than from Wellbeck. Both great young players, but for me Macheda has the bigger name on the European market, and I think clubs would pay more for him.
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More technical ability from Macheda? Really? Welbeck's brilliant technically.
 
Aaron said:
Same as Macheda. I've said before that I cannot imagine the manager wanting to have such an inexperienced 'back-up' for our strikers this season. It would go against the grain as to how he's done it before. Our sub strikers are usually very experienced players. McClair, Sheringham, Ole, Saha, Owen, Berbatov etc. All at one time or another were support for our first choice partnership. You need some experience on the bench in that respect. I cannot imagine, regardless of how much potential they have, Fergie being happy going into the a Champions league semi-final knowing that if Rooney got injured 'its okay because we've got Danny Welbeck.'

I could be wrong but I don't recall a time when any of our top three or four strikers at the a club have been so junior in stature as Welbeck and Kiko are.

Not meaning to be disrespectful to the player but at this stage or in the foreseeable future, I cannot imagine the boss going into that scenario with that being an 'ideal' situation.

And if he isn't third but fourth or even fifth choice striker, only called upon in a severe injury crisis, I'd not view that as particularly fair to the player either.
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Well we did start this season with Hernandez as the main backup and he was even less experienced than the likes of Wellbeck and Macheda.

In any case, Macheda's probably gone. He's pretty good but you have to be exceptional to play regularly for United, especially upfront and he hasn't shown enough exceptional. I suppose we could do a loan deal with a PL club to see if he can break through this year.

If I had to guess, i'd say we'll let Owen and Macheda go and start next year with four strikers in the main squad - Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov and Wellbeck. Thats a nice blend of experience and youth.
 
Jonno said:
I thought that because over the last 3 years or so I have seen more technical ability from Macheda than from Wellbeck. Both great young players, but for me Macheda has the bigger name on the European market, and I think clubs would pay more for him.
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Wellbecks more technical then Macheda I think and quicker. Machedas raw, not that quick...we could still get decent money for Macheda, even now.
 
Jonno said:
I personally can't seperate the two players for talent, but in terms of European reputation, it goes without saying that Macheda has his name in two countries, England and Italy, where as Wellbeck is only well known in England.
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Machedas only known in two countries, because he's an Italian playing in England. He's got a finish on him, but he's not better then welbeck. I think Hernandez's form and the kids coming through only put the pressure on him to start delivering yesterday

But you never know. .
 
He needs to start progressing as a player. 2 years and he's barely made a mark in every game he's played. A couple of goals here and there but his overall play has been poor. His positioning and tactical awareness leave alot to be desired. He may only be 19 but there is very little indication that he's working on them.

A good finisher will always be a good finisher. Its a predatory instinct but by focusing on other parts of his game he can bolster the effectiveness of his finishing. Take Michael Owen for example, he's not as quick as he use to be, but his positioning still allows him time and space. He's in the key part of his development as a player. While not wanting to add too many parts to the engine, he needs to work on other avenues.

Again his lack of development in a 2 year period is what concerns me. People say give youth a chance, but to give youth a chance they first have to prove that they can do it. He proved he can finish, he now has to prove he can work with other players.
 
marchi-91 said:
He needs to start progressing as a player. 2 years and he's barely made a mark in every game he's played. A couple of goals here and there but his overall play has been poor. His positioning and tactical awareness leave alot to be desired. He may only be 19 but there is very little indication that he's working on them.

Again his lack of development in a 2 year period is what concerns me. People say give youth a chance, but to give youth a chance they first have to prove that they can do it. He proved he can finish, he now has to prove he can work with other players.
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You could be talking about Darron Gibson at 20 there. Little development, poor loan spells and poor attitude etc. He's still here. If SAF sees something he stays loyal until that player needs to move on.

The only problem for Macheda is that there are other young strikers in the reserve/ academy system that are just as talented or more talented.
 
Escobar said:
A loan move to Sunderland wouldnt be that bad for Macheda
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Definately a loan move in England would be good for Macheda, as he did show good progress in the few games he played for us, but he needs to play 30-35 games in a Premier League season so that we can see how good he really could be for us. It's worked with Welbeck!
 
Drainy said:
You could be talking about Darron Gibson at 20 there. Little development, poor loan spells and poor attitude etc. He's still here. If SAF sees something he stays loyal until that player needs to move on.

The only problem for Macheda is that there are other young strikers in the reserve/ academy system that are just as talented or more talented.
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We'll see come summer. I think it would be wise to give him another loan spell, but perhaps somewhere else other then England. He doesn't need a lesson in hoof the ball which is exactly why I think Fergie sent him to Italy.
When you look at our youth strikers over the year, really only Welbeck has become a promising top class player. The rest have been sold off to midtable or lower division clubs. All strong powerful players but lack the finesse approach to their game. Players like Rooney and Ronaldo had different roles or were already super developed before coming to United. All they ever needed was time to develop their bodies and shining up on skills.
 
Red-Indian said:
Well we did start this season with Hernandez as the main backup and he was even less experienced than the likes of Wellbeck and Macheda.

In any case, Macheda's probably gone. He's pretty good but you have to be exceptional to play regularly for United, especially upfront and he hasn't shown enough exceptional. I suppose we could do a loan deal with a PL club to see if he can break through this year.

If I had to guess, i'd say we'll let Owen and Macheda go and start next year with four strikers in the main squad - Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov and Wellbeck. Thats a nice blend of experience and youth.
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Hernandez was more experienced than Welbeck and Macheda at the start of the season.

When Hernandez was Macheda's age he was considering quitting football. And yet retards on here are writing Macheda off.
 
marchi-91 said:
We'll see come summer. I think it would be wise to give him another loan spell, but perhaps somewhere else other then England. He doesn't need a lesson in hoof the ball which is exactly why I think Fergie sent him to Italy.
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Fergie wanted him to stay in England. Kiko asked to be allowed to go to Italy to put himself in the spotlight for the international teams, and Fergie agreed to do that. I think both parties would be regretting that now.
 
MadDogg said:
Fergie wanted him to stay in England. Kiko asked to be allowed to go to Italy to put himself in the spotlight for the international teams, and Fergie agreed to do that. I think both parties would be regretting that now.
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I doubt that is the real reason why he wanted to go home. If its obvious that staying in England was his best option and he decided against it then its very possible that he was not fully settled in England and wanted to go home for a while. That would seem to make the most sense really
 
Ringo 07 said:
I doubt that is the real reason why he wanted to go home. If its obvious that staying in England was his best option and he decided against it then its very possible that he was not fully settled in England and wanted to go home for a while. That would seem to make the most sense really
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Well considering he's since said that he prefers the English style of football, hopefully he's got that out of his system if that was the case.
 
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