If we get Felliani then we can easily ignore any creativity in CM and aim for two wingers capable of looping crosses in. The guy is strong, determined and good in air but he's as technical and creative as Philip Neville was.
Fellaini
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I suppose we'll have to disagree there. I think he's a very good DM. Strong in the tackle and generally takes care of a ball, while being capable of breaking from a deeper role and joining the attack.
Our manager is on record as saying he thinks Fellaini is a better deep midfielder than attacker, and used him in that role last year only because they didn't have any better options. Fellaini has also said that he prefers a deeper role where he can launch attacks rather than finish them.
He's not as bad technically as people like to think. He's certainly capable of beating players just with his feet, I've seen him do it a few times this season when I've watched Everton, and tbh whether you beat a man with some tricks or by just sheer power is irrelevant, the outcome is te same, my only worry is that his passing isn't at the level of a top level midfielder but I think his ability to hold the ball under heavy pressure makes up for that.
We need sheer creativity in CM, something Felliani wont provide. Scholes had retired and Rooney is a goner. Replacing such talent with Felliani would be hilarious.
Carrick already provides creativity while being the more defensive midfielder, if he has someone to support him with that I'd think he would naturally provide more, and if we are playing Kagawa in the centre we definitely have enough creativity. We had no problems scoring goals last season, that isn't an issue that needs addressing, our defending was often shocking though and that often started with the midfield not being capable of any type of screening. Why do you think we kept playing Jones in midfield? Sir Alex recognised that our defenders were being left exposed to often.
The trouble is that Felliani never impressed in a deep position. Gibson did a better job there. Felliani main strength are his aerial ability and frame which makes him a nuisance to defenders. In deeper role such qualities aren't really needed.
Felliani may well be our Plan C or D for it matters but honestly, Id rather see us stick to Rooney. At least the latter is a quality player.
Fellaini is madly effective if we play to his strengths...and with wingers like Young, Valencia, Zaha, as well as Evra and Rafael from the backs...he would probably be a success at United
Well you've made it pretty obvious now that you've never actually seen him play in CM or ever paid any attention to Everton. Their strike force was a hopelessly out of form Jelevic and Anichebe (spelling) he was moved because having an effective attack is more important than midfield, especially for a side like Everton.
I know the story and I followed Everton long enough to know a thing or two about them. However my point still stands. Felliani was much more effective upfront then in CM. His set of skills are more appropriate in that role then in CM.
There's also a big difference in terms of quality between the likes of Thiago/Alcantara/Rooney/Scholes and this guy
It depends what you mean by effective, you are looking at it from the point of view of a creative midfielder, so of course he was more effective up front in your opinion, but when he was played in midfield he was there to screen the defence as pretty much his sole duty and he excelled, the stats point to him being excellent in that role and it was in that season that people started to take notice of him.
There are better and cheaper 'screeners' around. You may not notice but our team needs some serious quality especially if Rooney leaves. We've lost Scholes and our wingers are nowhere near to the ones we had in the past. Do you think that Felliani would sort that?
At the rate our targets are decreasing I'd gladly have Fellaini at United.
Like who? Bear in mind that Fellaini will surely have developed his game this season beyond purely screening a defence and is a much more rounded player.
Like who? Bear in mind that Fellaini will surely have developed his game this season beyond purely screening a defence and is a much more rounded player.
Would be a very useful player to have in the squad and he has a physicality asset that we lack in the squad.
I can see us playing 4-2-3-1 if we buy him. Such as:
.................RVP.....................
Nani......Kagawa....Valencia
.......Carrick...Fellaini............
Evra.....Rio.....Vidic.....Rafael
.................RVP.....................
Nani......Kagawa....Valencia
.......Carrick...Fellaini............
Evra.....Rio.....Vidic.....Rafael
Honestly if we are reduced to Felliani then it would be better not to take anyone and hope for the best. However there are better players around which are gettable. Mccarthy, Ander Herrera and Cabaye to mention a few. FFS even Tiote is a better screener then him.
ok then. I give up.does Fellaini offer anything different to Phil Jones as a deep lying midfielder?
not a lot in my opinion - we can surely do better than big hair as a midfield signing
if our initial target was Fabregas its hard to think of a different type of player than him than Fellaini - surely we will be looking for a more technical player
not a lot in my opinion - we can surely do better than big hair as a midfield signing
if our initial target was Fabregas its hard to think of a different type of player than him than Fellaini - surely we will be looking for a more technical player
Its aint funny. The thought of replacing Rooney/Scholes with Felliani is depressing.
Why is everyone hating on Felliani? Not sure I'm really getting that one to be honest. It's not a porn star type signing but it certainly isn't crackslut tier..?
It's not replacing either. Scholes hasn't been a first team player at all this season. We don't need to replace everyone like for like, we could simply alter our system slightly like we always do. We hardly ever replace people like for like.
Me too. He might not be someone us fans would favour as a first choice pick, but he'd significantly improve us in the middle of the park.
In the past the system was altered but quality players were replaced by other quality players. Robson was replaced by Keane, Ince by Scholes, Kanchelskis by Beckham and Beckham by Ronaldo while Sharpe was replaced by Giggs. The truth is that the quality of our team has nosedived. World class players had been replaced by the likes of Young, Nani, Valencia and now (god forbid) Felliani. The midfield is crying out for some quality.
Honestly if this club cant bring one quality midfielder then we should stick to what we've got. We lost Pogba because we havent given him enough chances and he's proven at Juventus that he's got more talent then the likes of Felliani can ever dream off having. Guys like Adnan Januzaj may soon follow. Mind Im pretty sure that we're able to get a quality midfielder that can improve us. However if we've had to choose between sticking to our guns and relying on a midfielder whose more renowned for his work with the head and elbows then with his feet then Id say give the kids a try. Feck the worst thing that can happen is one long year However our scouts would have found someone by that time.
This beggars cant be choosers mentality sickens me.We're Manchester United FFS, a great side which can attract 90% of all players in the world. If our wide net of scouts can only come out with names like Fabregas and Thiago then why the hell are they employed in the first place? Do they need a specialized person to tell Moyes that Fabregas is a great player? We need to attract the talent before it move to another big club. The likes of Dortmund and Juventus had been doing that. Why cant we?
Jesus, what a fecking sook.
I just dont agree with 'the beggars cant be choosers' mentality. If we cant find anyone who can improve us then it would be better to go through SAF's route and not getting anyone in the first place. Powell and Cleverley may turn good next year and hell....this could be Ando's year or something.
Well as others have said his performances mainly driving his price are in a role other than what we need him for. That's not to say he hasn't played well in that position, he clearly has, a couple of seasons ago he had an excellent season there, but since then he hasn't refined his game or progressed it in that department and so I don't see why spending over £20m on him is really a good deal. I think he would be a good option to have but from what I've never really been impressed by his distribution and I would be concerned about his defensive style against the much more stricter refs in the CL. Personally I would think that there are lesser known players in other leagues who might be able to make the step up who would represent better deals. Or if we were buying within the league I'd prefer Cabaye. That said if Fellaini was someone we got whilst bringing in another creative player then that would be good, but if he was our main signing I don't think we'd really have addressed our problem that much.
What world class player did Ashley Young replace?
One thing about fellaini that is being ignored is his potential development as a player. Imo, even though he s 25 he still learning his trade as a midfielder because he spent most of his career playing up front. And maybe that's what makes him attract the interest of both Moyes and Wenger.
God knows what needs to be done to attract interest these days. I mean according to reports we snatched Bebe off Real's hands.
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Who said anything about Fellaini being a last resort? I didn't, if we got Fabregas I'd still want Fellaini because I think he is a quality player who has something we could definitely use.
If we get Felliani and a quality CM then that changes everything. We need some cover for Carrick (although there are cheaper options around).
Fellaini certainly isn't my first choice but there are few players I would rather have on the pitch in the last 5 minutes of a game when either team is chasing a goal.
haha I didn't realize people take so much notice of my posts.Well I was only half joking anyway, yeah I do feel we should have gone for Mourinho seeing as he was just about to quit Madrid and all, but also think/hope Moyes might turn out to be the new Klopp and prove me wrong.
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