Showed some nice touches at times today. Thought he was miles better than Jones.
Fellaini
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Apart from the fact that Jones had him in his pocket.
Exposed again as nothing more than a target man.
Please kill me.
Even if this was true, which it isn't, what would be the relevance in him being better than an opposition player who plays an entirely different role? Jones is a centre half who occasionally plays in midfield who was given a man marking role today. Felliani is a clown haired shit midfielder who plays his best football when he's pushed forward as a target to lump the ball up to.
The fact that some in this thread reckoned he'd be perfect for us is laughable and offensive in equal measure.
They're in awe over at RAWK.
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He was pretty invisible today mainly because Jones stuck to him.
Jones owned him so badly that he had to come off in the second half because Everton got a restraining order against him.
Jones will haunt this guy's dreams for the next week. Utterly snuffed Fellaini out as a threat.
Jones will haunt this guy's dreams for the next week. Utterly snuffed Fellaini out as a threat.
Cut a very frustrated figure out there at times. Was never able to get going or really influence the game this time round. Credit has to go to Jones initially and then Carrick after that who totally shut him out
Let's not go overboard. He was the guy playing for Everton against Manchester United. It's always harder performing for the team with lesser quality. It's also usually easier being the "spoiler". I still think he's a good player.
Always said he was overrated, even at the start of the season when he was in good form and everyone seemed to have a hard on for him. He's nothing more then a decent midtable midfielder, and he's at his best when he plays as a target man (something that I really hope united never do). He's not actually that good defensively or at breaking up play, he's just big and good at winning headers. Even so, he was invisible today.
You're blind.
Was interesting to hear Joe Royle say he didn't think much of him as a midfielder, he only really likes him playing just off the striker. Seemed like he's watched a lot of Everton too.
He's a good player who's had a good season, yesterday's poor match from him doesn't change the opinion I had of him.
He's obviously a good player, otherwise we wouldn't need to have Jones mark him out of the game in the first place.
But as usual, words like average and midtable will be bandied about(even though Everton are fighting for a top 4 spot and he's one of their best players this season, which makes him a non midtable player by definition). There's no such thing as just a very good player on red cafe though.
But as usual, words like average and midtable will be bandied about(even though Everton are fighting for a top 4 spot and he's one of their best players this season, which makes him a non midtable player by definition). There's no such thing as just a very good player on red cafe though.
He's only any good as a number 10 (albeit an unorthodox one), and we already have the best number 10 on the planet.
Surely it's possible to give credit to a player without wanting us to sign him.
Let's face it he is shit. Jones' man-marked him and he got utterly exposed. He's too slow and tumescent on the ground to play quick passing or escape tight marking, he is only good when Everton hit long balls at him to use his height and size advantage to chest control the ball and lay it off for onrushing midfielders.
Not a player you would want for a top team. Very useful player for mid-table teams.
Not a player you would want for a top team. Very useful player for mid-table teams.
I suppose many of you have missed the last few seasons when he's had some of the best defensive stats in the league, last season where he had the best for a midfielder.
I don't think Jones had him in his pocket at all. If that was the case he'd have created/not been able to head or chest the ball and touch it on at all, yet he set Mirallas through for the Anichebe chance and there were a few other nice touches. He chested it down on occasion but was unable to get the final touch away as Jones + the man who was already there were on him, so it was harder for him to play.
For being man marked he did okay. Not terrible, not great, just okay.
I don't think Jones had him in his pocket at all. If that was the case he'd have created/not been able to head or chest the ball and touch it on at all, yet he set Mirallas through for the Anichebe chance and there were a few other nice touches. He chested it down on occasion but was unable to get the final touch away as Jones + the man who was already there were on him, so it was harder for him to play.
For being man marked he did okay. Not terrible, not great, just okay.
That's not the definition of a 'shit' player
We reserved special treatment for him mainly because of his size and the position he plays in. Its not everyday you get to play with a very physical 6'4" trequartista. Everton have been very innovative in utilizing his height and size to deal the most damage.
Your point being?
I think a lot of credit has to go to Fergie for how he set up the team. Jones did a decent job of marking him but I wouldn't go so far to say he was the only reason Felliani wasn't effective. The team as a whole cut off any supply lines to him and he had to continuously drop deep to get on the ball which is not playing to his strenghts.
It does go some way to show the quality of the player if Fergie felt the need to set up in such a way to nullify his influence as much as possible.
My point is that his football abilities have nothing good to write home about. He's just a big guy with decent technique playing as a #10.
Looked like a mistake (again) since it disrupted your fluidity more than affecting Everton. Don't do it v Real or else.
Teams have often put a man on Scholes to stifle us and it's worked well. Fulham, if I remember correcltly, did it at the cottage to great effect. In fact, the fact that we actually used that tactic was a compliment to him. And he's clearly not "shit". He might be a top drawer player but he is good.
He's style is not to your liking. That doesn't mean he isn't effective, and though you claim Everton are being incredibly innovative by playing him in that position, it's actually no different to what they've done for years. They've played Cahill in that position before him, who admittedly wasn't as tall, but was very much a physical specimen with an enormous leap, and in the same mould.
We never had to put an anchorman in midfield just to stop Cahill from playing though.
Fellaini is obviously elevated his game this season playing in that role and has been one of the main reasons Everton are doing so well.
It may be that we shouldn't sign him, but that's not to say he's rubbish. The implications of that would be very unflattering to Manchester United.
I wish we disrupted our fluidity like that at Goodison.
I don't think it was a mistake given how much better we looked defensively. We did have to compromise on our fluidity but going to Bernabeu after a clean sheet against one of better sides in the league will give the lads a lot more confidence than a 4-2.
Ronaldo is a completely different beast, no matter what plans we have or how we set up he has the ability to make something out of absolute nothing. I also have a feeling we'd play our natural game there as coming away from there without an away goal will hurt us more than a 0-0 draw.
You do realise that this is a thread in the transfer forum, the main thrust of which is a discussion as to whether he'd be a good signing for us, or other of the bigger clubs?
That being the case, it's perfectly fair to suggest he isn't good enough for United, if that is the opinion of the poster.
He is an average to poor midfielder, when he plays in midfield. When he plays the role Everton now use him in he is effective, but would he get a place at United ahead of Rooney or Kagawa playing that role? Would he feck. Furthermore, if he can't get in the Everton midfield (clearly he can't, he wasn't great there so they've devised a new role for him) then he wouldn't get in ours.
Kept him quiet yesterday. Was good to see.
I can see the concerns about where his best position is, but there's some shite being talked here. He's a very dangerous player, a pain to play against, more than decent technically, and Jones did a great job shutting it down. Everton would not be doing so well without him.
It might be a thread in the transfer forum, but that doesn't mean the one and only form in which the argument could take place is whether he'd be a good signing for United or not.
There's this feverish need(particularly in this section of the forum) to somehow demonstrate that every single player is absolute rubbish, in order to conclude that we shouldn't sign him. Which as I've pointed out is ridiculous because if that shows anything it shows how much we undervalue our own team. If the only players we shouldn't sign are rubbish it doesn't say much about the quality of our team.
I prefer to argue that there are many good players out there, who we nevertheless shouldn't sign because we luckily have better players still.
I don't disagree with you. I don't think he's rubbish, I just think he's rubbish in the role we'd be looking to play him if we signed him. In the role he plays for Everton he's clearly effective.
I just don't get some people. What is this desire in some to completely rubbish the player? Fellaini did ok, it's the other players who were pretty shite. There seems to be an attitude with a lot of folks. We don't need him. He can't play football. He can. Some make it sound like he'd trip over the ball, the feckwits that they are couldn't spot a player if said player popped out their arse...
He can play central midfield but he's used in a different role to suit the way Everton play. Just like Jones isn't a central midfielder.....
He can play central midfield but he's used in a different role to suit the way Everton play. Just like Jones isn't a central midfielder.....
True. He's very good in a more forward role and an attacking threat. But as an actual midfielder, he's nothing more than good. Haven't a bloody clue why people love using the words 'shit' and 'rubbish' to describe players.
Especially when they a pretty bloody good!
That said, I don't think that he is the player for us, he strikes me as a bit of a Tim Cahill type, an underdog type player who is there is impose himself on the opposition and make them feel uncomfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Chelsea, became ineffective and got labeled a flop.
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