Be a decent signing, but not for the fees been touted around.
Fellaini
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I'd take him for 22 million.
He is pretty young, has experience in the premiership and can make an instant difference to us through defense and scoring. £22m is a good price for him.
His control and passing are average for an advanced midfield player and his pace/mobility and positioning are suspect for a deeper CM.
Apparently, having that clause was the main reason he signed a new deal, otherwise he could have run his contract down and left for nothing - which is much much worse than £22m
22m for him is way over the top. He is decent at best
Everton paid £15m for him, and he's twice the player now, how cheap exactly do you want them to sell him? £25m would be about right probably, but Everton fans will tell you he's worth more than that. Depends what market we are talking, whether it's the one that said James Milner was worth £24m.
I don't see the point in signing him especially for the figures being talked about.
9/10 we play with 2 in the middle and Fellaini isn't someone who has shown himself to be any better than what we currently have playing in this role. He's at his best playing behind the striker, but we already have Rooney and Kagawa who play this role for us already and who Fellaini has no shot of displacing.
9/10 we play with 2 in the middle and Fellaini isn't someone who has shown himself to be any better than what we currently have playing in this role. He's at his best playing behind the striker, but we already have Rooney and Kagawa who play this role for us already and who Fellaini has no shot of displacing.
Fellaini or Lampard?
Neither?
A genuine question, who is good enough and realistic enough who would fit in a 2 man midfield for us? The reality of the situation is that most teams operate with 3 in the middle these days and take different roles.
Fellaini has premiership experience and you know exactly what you'll get from him. I cant see a better player for better value, but I don't particularly follow foreign leagues.
Agreed.
The one caveat, however, is that in the event Rooney is sold -- and these things do happen -- Fellaini could fit in quite nicely.
I don't see Fergie ever selling Rooney (and i would not endorse it), but whispers that Rooney's days at OT are numbered seem to be growing louder.
Honestly, I can't think of any that'd have a great chance of working. That's the thing, I don't think we need a first-team midfielder, unless an amazing opportunity comes along, which Fellaini isn't. Carrick is great, and Cleverley is as good a partner for Carrick that I can think of(apart from unrealistic transfers). I think what we need is a back-up to Carrick, who will be able to replace him when he eventually loses the legs to play every game in the season. Fellaini isn't this player either.
He was at the centre of a double winning Dortmund side.
That doesn't cease to exist because the Premier League is in a different geographical location to the Bundesliga.
He's had his best season to date playing in the hole, no doubt about that. But in general I think he's more suited to playing central midfield and he's played there plenty of times for Everton - more often than he's played as a number 10. It's also the position he himself thinks suits him best.
I agree with Storey that his positioning probably isn't good enough to be a defensive midfielder, so as an alternative to Carrick he would be pushing it. But the other more offensive midfield spot would suit him perfectly and allow him to play box to box. We have seen this season what he can bring offensively, but it's out of possession we would benefit most IMO. He's a good ballwinner and would add some presence to our midfield which can get overrun at times, e.g. when Dembele just walked through our midfield at the start of the season.
Of course it doesn't, but it isn't relevant to Manchester United football club.
Fellaini has put in performances this season of a much higher quality than Kagawa in the Premier League, that counts for a lot.
Of course it's relevant.
Going by your logic, if Messi were to sign for us in the summer and after four months had spent some time out injured and was still finding his feet, then Fellaini would be a better player than Messi.
Whether you agree that Kagawa is a better player than Fellaini or not, you can't rule out years and years of evidence as irrelevant simply because it wasn't played in a United shirt.
Than when? There are always 'whispers'. Nothing has ever actually happened.
If we're looking at him, it will be as a CM not to play in the hole. We already have many options there.
At 22mil, he'd be a good signing.
At 22mil, he'd be a good signing.
He can cover a number of positions in midfield, so is SAF type player in that respect.
I'd prefer Diame at under £10m to be honest, though I admit I'd be delighted if we signed Fellaini. Both players would be absolutely perfect for our midfield.
His skill sets don't match the criteria of what most people see as needed to be a top class player. But he's so good at what he does do well, that he's as effective as a top class player. £22 million for a player that teams struggle to control is good value in my opinion. He might not do it via silky skills and a great range of creative passing, but he still gets the job done. If he played in the front of a midfield 3 for us, I think he'd get a similar amount of goals as Lampard has for Chelsea over the years.
In a market where Rodwell cost £15 million, £22 million is very reasonable.
You have to suspend reality when discussing player costs these days.
I would be quite happy to sign him for £22m. Causes teams alot of trouble and can play both high up the pitch and in a deeper role.
I'd prefer Diame at under £10m to be honest, though I admit I'd be delighted if we signed Fellaini. Both players would be absolutely perfect for our midfield.
Would Fellaini be perfect for our midfield? As in, you think he's walk into it? I disagree. What we need is a back-up to Carrick who can eventually replace him. I don't really see Fellaini as that type of player, especially if we continue with our two in midfield, which we probably will for the foreseeable future.
I agree. He is also very much like Keano. On his day and on his game, he is almost worth an extra man on the field. Unfortunately, given his temperament, you could also easily be a man down instead.
Signing him would be like having a different composition from the current team. What kind of position or even a set-up do people think he would be utilized here?
Who would buy Rooney for a fee that SAF would accept? I agree that he would bite now if the right offer was made. Like you, I wouldn't endorse it but SAF has a memory like an elephant and he will make Rooney pay one day for his contract stance.
That's ridiculous.
For starters, your comparison is more irrelevant than the initial point. Messi is superior to Fellaini by a far greater magnitude than Kagawa supposedly is, if Kagawa had been THAT good at Dortmund, which he wasn't because no one apart from Messi is THAT good it would be a different case.
Secondly, whatever you think of Kagawa (and personally I like him a lot, and think he'll be an excellent player here) it's hardly a point of any serious contention that Fellaini's form in Kagawa's preferred position has been better than anything that Kagawa has shown in a United shirt. And, over the past two or three years, his form in the Premier League (whether he has been playing as a holding mid or off the striker) has been better than anything Kagawa has shown in the same league.
That's why what Kagawa did in the Bundesliga is fairly useless in determining who would be the better player for Manchester United, because we do not play in the Bundesliga. Obviously, Kagawa has a lot of talent but Fellaini has done it in a league that Kagawa hasn't, the league that we play in, and that can't be ruled out.
Veron is a far better example, he was clearly a very good player, and did excellently in Italy but we don't play in Italy and he couldn't hack it here. Fellaini is obviously not a guaranteed success but the contention he wouldn't be as good a player (and the poster made it sound like he meant it was by some margin) than Kagawa currently is for us is something I think is very generous towards Kagawa.
L'Equipe reports that he is in talks to join Chelsea for a fee of €27m. Probably bollocks.
Won't be surprised though don't know how they would know.
He'd play as a typical Box to Box midfielder, I'd say. Either in a 442 or a 433
Remember he's a good 13 years younger then Giggs/Scholes, and 7 years younger then Carrick.
-------Cleverley-------Fellaini
Valencia------Rooney--------Kagawa
---------------Welbeck
That's a bloody fantastic team all on the right side of 30
I think he would be a good signing, but definitely not perfect. I'd see him as a Fletcher (pre-illness) replacement. I don't think he's exactly what we need, and would still hope for another different type of signing, but he would certainly be very useful.
not my first thought, but I'd be lying if I said I'd be pissed if we went in for him.
would probably turn out better than what most people on here expect.
would probably turn out better than what most people on here expect.
I think Carrick is a straight-choice for most of the matches and has a good 4 years at the top that he can maintain at this rate.
So if we are not considering the other players in the central midfield position, we have Fellaini partnering Carrick and then a front three first choice of Kagawa, Rooney and Persie. I just find him different from the players around him.
I do like the idea of Fellaini - he'd give us something we don't have anymore, which is always good for the team.
Would he start every match? Probably not, some matches I don't think he'd fit well (at home to weaker sides). But would he be a massive asset in tough fixtures? Absolutely.
The problem is that there simply isn't a 'right answer' to our midfield quandry. Dembele was probably closest, but even he was too attacking focussed.
I strongly believe that if there was the 'right player' out there, Fergie would have signed him, and Fergie's 'blind spot' is more just a desire to get the perfect player, who doesn't exist.
Would he start every match? Probably not, some matches I don't think he'd fit well (at home to weaker sides). But would he be a massive asset in tough fixtures? Absolutely.
The problem is that there simply isn't a 'right answer' to our midfield quandry. Dembele was probably closest, but even he was too attacking focussed.
I strongly believe that if there was the 'right player' out there, Fergie would have signed him, and Fergie's 'blind spot' is more just a desire to get the perfect player, who doesn't exist.
I'm not sure there is one right player. I think Fellaini would tick some boxes that we need and definitely be a positive addition, but we would still likely need to add someone else in the summer as well.
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