Quite incredible on our part.
Exactly. And now it looks like we're paying slightly above the clause. Zero sense.
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Quite incredible on our part.
Exactly. And now it looks like we're paying slightly above the clause. Zero sense.
this will be a great signing. really superb. will take us to another level.
just hope we can get baines too.
just hope we can get baines too.
He won't take us to a new level and that video is fecking rubbish. Why do people keep posting it?
you will see
Well lets fecking hope so because my nan can get the ball off the centre halfs and clip it to the full back all the time. Rubbish.
Because firstly Carrick isn't a DM, and secondly even if he was, asking him to play as an anchor would be a colossal waste considering he's our best ball playing central midfielder. It's okay if you're Barcelona and you have Iniesta and Xavi ahead of Busquets, keeping possession is a major part of your defensive strategy, we don't play that way and we don't have the personnel to play that way even if we wanted to.
Never said he was. But they all play a similar tight tackling 'holding' role.
Quoting a fulsome tribute for a supporter of a Championship team doesn't make for a good case.
Yes, he is a DM. Not a pure destroyer but he is at his best in front of the defence, 'anchoring'. That he is also our best and most creative passer is a sad indication of the state of our midfield, it doesn't mean he should be played further forward. He has always been the deepest player when we played 4-3-3; my favourite memory is the 4-0 battering of Arsenal in the FA Cup when Anderson and Fletcher did all the running while Carrick was basically orchestrating everything in front of the back four, breaking up attacks and distributing the ball from deep.
I agree that Fellaini's football skills are underrated, as that video shows as well in my opinion. Every time I've see Belgium play the past few years Fellaini's Belgium's best player. Whether he'll take us to another level? I don't know, but I think at the moment he's a better player than i.e. Cleverly or Anderson. I also think with his height and strength he'll give us a different type of attacking option, especially against teams sitting deep against us.
The video's a charge sheet: a compilation of his best moments in 5 years in the PL highlighting a dire lack of pace and littered with miscontrol.
That's unfair I think; I've seen enough of Fellaini to believe that he has a good touch and technique, espcially for a big man. He might be no Paul Scholes, but he brings different attributes. I guess Belgium and Everton fans will agree with me.
BBC seem to think its a deal for both.
It seems Everton duo Marouane Fellaini, 25, and Leighton Baines, 28, are on their way to Manchester United if the speculation is to be believed.
The Toffees have been linked with bringing in midfielder Gareth Barry from Manchester City and James McCarthy from Wigan but boss Roberto Martinez was keeping coy on the club's targets.
"We are also working hard to actively identify one or two more players who could come in and help us. It's not about names because that would be very disrespectful," he says.
"I don't like it when I hear other managers talking about players who are registered for other clubs. I'd never do it. The squad is strong and experienced, but it's about finding the right character to fit in."
It seems Everton duo Marouane Fellaini, 25, and Leighton Baines, 28, are on their way to Manchester United if the speculation is to be believed.
The Toffees have been linked with bringing in midfielder Gareth Barry from Manchester City and James McCarthy from Wigan but boss Roberto Martinez was keeping coy on the club's targets.
"We are also working hard to actively identify one or two more players who could come in and help us. It's not about names because that would be very disrespectful," he says.
"I don't like it when I hear other managers talking about players who are registered for other clubs. I'd never do it. The squad is strong and experienced, but it's about finding the right character to fit in."
Not for us it isn't. He's our most creative creative central midfielder after Giggs.
Would you not take him at Arsenal Pete? I think he'd do well in your team. I think he'd be an asset to all the top teams in the league actually, the price might be high but it's to be expected in this market.
Jesus, every manager's a hypocrite. Here's 'respectful' Martinez on Hamburg's Paul Scharner:
Has Vidal and Pogba playing in front of him, Carrick would have Cleverley and Giggs. Pirlo is also a better player than Carrick.
Aye, good job I didn't say that then.
Or perhaps he just believes (for whatever reason) that playing Carrick at the base of a 4-3-3 will make his role that of a destroyer rather than one that dictates play? I dont agree with him but I dont see why its not just a wrong opinion rather than just FM bollocks.
Pirlo has been the most creative player in every team he's played in for the past 10-15 years. And he's done it as the deepest midfielder. It'd be Carrick's best positon too.
You're going off on a bizarre tangent to defend a rather undefendable point. Carrick would (and has previously) shone playing as the base in a 433.
It'd be ludicrous to put Fellaini as the base and push Carrick further forwards. Carrick is better defensively than Fellaini and get's a nose bleed in the final third. Fellaini is a goal threat who you would want getting into the box.
That video for me is a bit strange. It's supposed to be his best moments in last season, but aside from about two decent but obvious and easy passes, and a couple of good finishes and headers, it's basically him struggling to keep hold of the ball due to a poor touch. He's got impressive upper body strength but if he had the ability to somewhat control the ball on the deck he wouldn't need to barge people over every second touch just to keep hold of it.
Also, almost without fail, his next pass is always a conservative one and in many cases the wrong option when other passes were on.
Also, almost without fail, his next pass is always a conservative one and in many cases the wrong option when other passes were on.
My "undefendable" point is that currently we don't have the personnel to play Carrick at the base of a 4-3-3. I never said Carrick wouldn't shine playing at the base of a 4-3-3, in fact I insinuated that he'd be fantastic playing there for Barcelona. It's not a tangent at all, this is all in my first post. However, it's possible this point was lost in the sea of FM terms I used.
Oh, and just quickly, it wouldn't be ludicrous to play Fellaini as the deepest in a three at all, that's where he plays for Belgium. Carrick also doesn't get a "nosebleed" in the final third either, that's complete nonsense, he's quite an incisive passer around the box.
Now, can we all get back to moaning about how embarrassing it is that we're signing Fellaini? Thanks.
Football fans are stupid.
Fellaini made us look stupid at times in the past. Our defence couldn't handle him.
I'd be very happy with this signing.
Fellaini made us look stupid at times in the past. Our defence couldn't handle him.
I'd be very happy with this signing.
We've seen other physical targets look effective against us, Kevin Davies and Brian McBride spring to mind. We wouldn't have wanted them at our club.
I think his overall game is somewhat underestimated by some however, not sure he is quite good enough for what we should be aiming for though, but I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Moyes knows Fellaini better than most - and if we say that Fellaini isn't good enough, we are also saying that Moyes isn't good enough to be the manager of Manchester United (by signing players that aren't good enough)
Personally - I trust the players Moyes sign - and if he is convinced Fellaini is good enough, then fine! He will certainly add something to our side
Personally - I trust the players Moyes sign - and if he is convinced Fellaini is good enough, then fine! He will certainly add something to our side
As a back-up option for Carrick and as a Plan B when we need a goal he's a fine squad option.
I just don't get why we should fork out £24 million for a back-up option.
I just don't get why we should fork out £24 million for a back-up option.
So if a player has a record of playing well against us then they're automatically a very good signing? Bit of a simplistic way of looking at it.
I'm not sure he'd be a back up, maybe it gives them more flexibility in that they can alternate, one goes forward, one stays back which you can't really do with our current options (with the absence of Fletcher). Fellaini more of a goal threat and gives you a physical presence that we've lacked probably since Keane and Ince.
Well, I'm not sure he's that dynamic you see. He's not got the mobility or pace to link our attack and midfield together, so I don't think him and Carrick would work. In certain matches they would play together, but I would never go for that as the first choice CM.
Carrick-Herrera on the other hand...
I think he's pretty mobile and is more positive when going forward with better instincts for getting into the box, and the likelihood is always that we'll have a player in the no 10 position to link the attack/midfield anyway, or the wide players coming inside.
I'm talking about him as a partner to Carrick in CM. He won't solve any of the problems that make us look somewhat disjointed at times.
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