Fellaini (on his way) out? | Duncan Castles: Fellaini agrees new two year deal

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stevoc said:
Mate what are you talking about, you said that Fellaini was an effective plan B that people underestimate. I pointed out that his stats just don't back that up and now you are moving the goal posts waffling about his position.

Regardless of where he regularly plays when games start. When he is used by managers as a plan B to lump balls upto it rarely works. And when he's used in these scenarios he's basically sitting in the oppositions box.

Thats my point he's not an effective plan B, the stats back it up. End of story.
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The stat doesn’t back up that claim because the position he plays at times doesn’t reflect his output. You can’t expect a defensive midfielder to score goals in large amount. Only when Fellaini is deployed as a target man that operates closer to goal, you will see his output increase, just like his time at Everton and at United when he operates closer to goal. Eitherway, we can agree to disagree. I rather heed the advice of managers who utilize this approach when they are desperate to effect the game, then a fan.

NinjaZombie said:
Fair play to him but I'd rather our forwards errmmm, attack.
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Yea, but Fellaini can’t attack effectively unless the ball is in the air. You have to play to some players strength.
 
Amadaeus said:
The stat doesn’t back up that claim because the position he plays at times doesn’t reflect his output. You can’t expect a defensive midfielder to score goals in large amount. Only when Fellaini is deployed as a target man that operates closer to goal, you will see his output increase, just like his time at Everton and at United when he operates closer to goal. Eitherway, we can agree to disagree. I rather heed the advice of managers who utilize this approach when they are desperate to effect the game, then a fan.
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What? Who the actual feck has been talking about Fellaini as a defensive midfielder? Certainly not me in this discussion, why have you even brought that into the conversation?

We (or at least me) were discussing his effectiveness simply as a plan B because you said people underestimated him in that role. As a plan B or target man he has managed only a handful of goals/assists coming on as a sub in games we were drawing/losing in 5 years at United. That proves he's just not effective in that role, i am not talking about his overall performances simply his usefulness as a means to turn a game around.
 
We would be better off buying Peter Crouch is Fellaini’s only use is to limp it up to a big man with 5 mins to play.

He’s an awful player, sure he tries hard, but that’s the minimum you expect from a pro footballer. Stinks the place out and is a sad reminder of Moyes.

We should be withdrawing any offer we made him, with Fred and McTominey I can’t see him getting any game time next season even if he stayed.
 
According to the sun, after meeting him Arsenal hierarchy are not prepared to back Emery on Fellaini, amid concerns over his playing style and financial demands.

Seems like he deluded himself into believing what he's not.
 
It's quite funny how no one is prepared to meet his demands. Who'd have thought top clubs wouldn't be bending over backwards to sign a big lumbering oaf of a footballer.
 
I have a really bad feeling he’ll resign with us! Feck I hope not! Don’t want to keep hating on the guy but he is not what I want in a Manchester United midfield!
 
So if he doesn't re-sign a contract with us, and fails to agree terms with another club, does that then mean he just wonders the earth forever?

He's sold his house, so maybe that's the plan.
 
If he decides to do a u-turn (worst case scenaro), I really hope we low ball him big time.
 
MIC_FIN said:
So if he doesn't re-sign a contract with us, and fails to agree terms with another club, does that then mean he just wonders the earth forever?

He's sold his house, so maybe that's the plan.
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And Fellaini said to Mourinho his manager, "Let us go out to the office," and when they were in the office Fellaini rose against Mourinho his manager and refused to sign a new contract. And Woody said to Fellaini, "Where is your agent? And he said, "I do not know: am I my agent's keeper?" If you till the soil, it will no longer give you strength. A free agent shall you be on the earth." And Fellaini said to Woody, "My punishment is too great to bear. Now that You have driven me this day from the club I must hide from Your presence, I shall be a a free agent on the earth and whoever finds me will sign me."And the Woody said to him, "Therefore whoever sign Fellaini shall suffer sevenfold vengeance." And Woody set a mark upon Fellaini so that whoever found him would not play him."
 
horsechoker said:
And Fellaini said to Mourinho his manager, "Let us go out to the office," and when they were in the office Fellaini rose against Mourinho his manager and refused to sign a new contract. And Woody said to Fellaini, "Where is your agent? And he said, "I do not know: am I my agent's keeper?" If you till the soil, it will no longer give you strength. A free agent shall you be on the earth." And Fellaini said to Woody, "My punishment is too great to bear. Now that You have driven me this day from the club I must hide from Your presence, I shall be a a free agent on the earth and whoever finds me will sign me."And the Woody said to him, "Therefore whoever sign Fellaini shall suffer sevenfold vengeance." And Woody set a mark upon Fellaini so that whoever found him would not play him."
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Amen...
 
Class of 63 said:
Where's the u-turn ? Wouldn't he have had to agree to join somebody else first ?
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Em...U-turn in a sense that he would suddenly find our offer good enough and decide to take it with other clubs seemingly not interested in his services? He openly stated that our offers were not good enough, so how does that wouldn't constitute a u-turn in terms of position he has openly taken?
 
Fellainis tough No Deal stance will surely pay off in the end
 
Rajma said:
Em...U-turn in a sense that he would suddenly find our offer good enough and decide to take it with other clubs seemingly not interested in his services? He openly stated that our offers were not good enough, so how does that wouldn't constitute a u-turn in terms of position he has openly taken?
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It's more of a climb-down surely, Steve Gerrard agreeing to sign for Chelsea then changing his mind at the 11th hour is a u-turn, no ?
 
horsechoker said:
And Fellaini said to Mourinho his manager, "Let us go out to the office," and when they were in the office Fellaini rose against Mourinho his manager and refused to sign a new contract. And Woody said to Fellaini, "Where is your agent? And he said, "I do not know: am I my agent's keeper?" If you till the soil, it will no longer give you strength. A free agent shall you be on the earth." And Fellaini said to Woody, "My punishment is too great to bear. Now that You have driven me this day from the club I must hide from Your presence, I shall be a a free agent on the earth and whoever finds me will sign me."And the Woody said to him, "Therefore whoever sign Fellaini shall suffer sevenfold vengeance." And Woody set a mark upon Fellaini so that whoever found him would not play him."
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:lol:
 
horsechoker said:
And Fellaini said to Mourinho his manager, "Let us go out to the office," and when they were in the office Fellaini rose against Mourinho his manager and refused to sign a new contract. And Woody said to Fellaini, "Where is your agent? And he said, "I do not know: am I my agent's keeper?" If you till the soil, it will no longer give you strength. A free agent shall you be on the earth." And Fellaini said to Woody, "My punishment is too great to bear. Now that You have driven me this day from the club I must hide from Your presence, I shall be a a free agent on the earth and whoever finds me will sign me."And the Woody said to him, "Therefore whoever sign Fellaini shall suffer sevenfold vengeance." And Woody set a mark upon Fellaini so that whoever found him would not play him."
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Bruhhh :lol::lol:
 
After him acting the way he has recently, like if the club is lucky to have him, it is immensely satisfying to see him realize he isn’t as in demand as he thought.
 
Rajma said:
If he decides to do a u-turn (worst case scenaro), I really hope we low ball him big time.
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We absolutely should, as a warning statement to other players.

For every week he dithers over that 1 year contract we're offering him, the weekly wage goes down by £20 K.
 
stevoc said:
What? Who the actual feck has been talking about Fellaini as a defensive midfielder? Certainly not me in this discussion, why have you even brought that into the conversation?

We (or at least me) were discussing his effectiveness simply as a plan B because you said people underestimated him in that role. As a plan B or target man he has managed only a handful of goals/assists coming on as a sub in games we were drawing/losing in 5 years at United. That proves he's just not effective in that role, i am not talking about his overall performances simply his usefulness as a means to turn a game around.
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Your statistic that states that Fellaini has scored only 1 goal in 5 years as a plan B. Those statistics did not account for the handful of games where he actually played further up the pitch as a target man rather than a defensive box to box midfielder, which is his regular position until Mourinho gets desperate and push him forward as a plan B, where his goal number increases. You only have to watch United games to understand how a top managers like Mourinho and someone like me(Amadaeus) can see how Fellaini can be a nuisance to defense as a plan B when things are not going well. It is not coincidence that Mourinho push Fellaini forward against Arsenal which saw him score the winning goal. It is a tactic that has been deployed successfully in the past by Mourinho and I have no doubt that other top managers will continue to deploy that tactic despite your arguments that counters the effectiveness of it.
 
I have this huge fear that he’ll find out no reasonable club wants him and after he realizes it’s us or the likes of West Ham, he’ll come back and bless us with accepting a 1 year deal and presumably a pay raise to boot.
 
One of the first times I paid a lot of attention to Fellaini, he did this; and I remember thinking what a great signing he would be. He peaked over those 7 seconds.

 
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