Fellaini | Mou: "It's easier for Galatasaray to get me than Marouane. He is too important to me."

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Ekeke said:
You completely ignored the point, congratulations.

If he can get the fans to like and appreciate Fellaini, he gets far more "genius points" than if he just took him out and didnt use him. If he did the latter all those fans would say finally, he'd get no credit for that because even the fans would do it.

If on the other hand he gets him playing very good football, even if it takes a long time with poor performances, eventually there would be a narrative that it was worth the wait and Mourinho was right.

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that Fellaini can play good football, in the right role. He's had a few games where he has done so. But the likehood of him doing it consistantly at this stage? Not so good and a little bit frustrating that some other players didnt get so many chances. But thats not Fellainis fault, hes only really responsible for what happens to himself.
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Yeah I got your intent on the genius points the first time around, it's a pretty out there notion, all things considered, he's shown in the past that he doesn't give a toss what fans think on players, prositive or negative, when it comes to his final decision on a players future.
Otherwise he wouldnt have kept using players in the past like Jon Obi Mikel to close out every single game when Chelsea fans hated it or booting club faves like Mata right out the door.

He's only ever cared about if the player in question is useful to him winning games. If they are, they stick around, if they're not, they get shipped out.
So far Fellaini has helped him win points/cups with some unique traits he brings to the table and so it's obvious why he's kept him so far.

Also don't believe Jose loses too much sleep about wanting to play good football with or without Fellaini, but I don't want to argue it.

Anyway, whatever.
 
I can Understand why Mourinho rates him. Against High pressing sides , fellaini immediately becomes an outlet for De gea.

Jose used this again Ajax and against Liverpool and it worked well. Felli also provides ariel threat in the opposition box and an asset while defending corners.

He is a great asset to our side and will play his part in the team challenging. The complaint i have of him is he doesn't play the through ball and always pics the easy side pass and his elbows.
 
My main concern with him is that he can be liability in terms of giving away stupid free kicks and fouls in general. Not what you want from a player who is often introduced in order to see out a result.
 
haram said:
Seriously, what would be the point in selling him for 10 million? He has shown he is effective when used correctly. We are in 4 competitions and will face different sides who play in different ways. Some games we will need Fellaini. Even if he is just to come off the bench for 20 minutes and provide a long ball option. This is the whole point in having a SQUAD.
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Well thats a depressing thought, Manchester United have never really used that tactic in the past and still been very successful. And none of the current top teams in europe really have specialist tall players in their squad that they bring on to play long ball.

Setting all that aside you would like to think that a squad assembled at a cost of £550-650m would be capable of winning games without having to resort to long ball tactics.
 
BennyBlanco said:
This thread just keeps delivering, all these posters now doing mental gymnastics to justify why Mourinho wants to keep him, so their opinion that he's useless can continue.

So now its, Mourinho wants to prove he can win with shit players like Fellaini is it? right, right.. thats why he's spent about 300mill on 7+ players and counting in the 1 season he's been here so far.

Ps. He's well aware a lot of Man Utd fans intensely dislike Fellaini, if the booing wasnt obvious enough a hint.
"With Fellaini I always have the feeling that he was not loved by the general Red people," Mourinho said. "But, if he plays like he’s playing now, they have to love him because he’s being so important for us."
So no, it's infact the opposite, he'd know he'd gain immediate brownie points shipping him out rather than keeping him/playing him.

The actual and only reason he's keeping Fellaini, is simply, since Mou's arrived, the player has put in more than a fair number of decent performances under him and has specific qualities that Mourinho finds useful to win games.
Simple as.
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Depends on what you believe is a "fair number" of decent performances. He is an average player and has allot of very bad games and is so consistently below par that when he does have a good game people overact as if that is his baseline.

Don't lump me in with others in your Fellaini campaign as I have said in the past he is useful in certain scenarios where you need a battering ram up front to get a goal or disrupt the offence. No more no less. Unfortunately being poor to average consistently and having a rare good game but trying hard, as admirable as that is, does not help to achieve the goals of the club. Even the most sanctimonious supporter can't possibly believe that he is a player that commands a starting place in a team challenging in the PL or CL.

Jose had decided to have Pogba, Herrera and now Matic in Midfield with Perreira likely to get more games. Despite Jose saying that he is "So important" for us, so in fact, he will get fewer games than usual. So he will be an "important" backup at best.

Unless you think he was chasing 40M Matic all summer to have him sit on the bench?
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
Because neither had their words twisted by the British media and had a nickname bestowed upon them obviously.
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BennyBlanco said:
Yeah I got your intent on the genius points the first time around, it's a pretty out there notion, all things considered, he's shown in the past that he doesn't give a toss what fans think on players, prositive or negative, when it comes to his final decision on a players future.
Otherwise he wouldnt have kept using players in the past like Jon Obi Mikel to close out every single game when Chelsea fans hated it or booting club faves like Mata right out the door.

He's only ever cared about if the player in question is useful to him winning games. If they are, they stick around, if they're not, they get shipped out.
So far Fellaini has helped him win points/cups with some unique traits he brings to the table and so it's obvious why he's kept him so far.

Also don't believe Jose loses too much sleep about wanting to play good football with or without Fellaini, but I don't want to argue it.

Anyway, whatever.
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Obi is a similar situation, but to a lesser degree because he was nowhere near that unpopular. If he could have become a better player Mourinho would get credit. If he doesnt, who cares? He wasnt starting anymore, was unlikely to cost them something. Most of the time its the same with Fellaini. He wont be starting most of the time, just an option off the bench. If he comes good, Mourinho gets the credit, if he doesnt he's unlikely to cost us too much. But better players have come and gone with none of the chances Fellaini got, just an annoyance.
 
We struggle more with him on the pitch than without. Crazy how some people overestimate his pro's, desperately trying to justify Joses comments. He should have been sold a long time ago. He will take Pereiras minutes on top
 
Nucks said:
The Spartans sent 300, in a force that was over 7,000. Then somehow claimed all the glory.
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Not the thread to talk about this to great extent but a small deviation might be acceptable.

They sent a King to lead in a highly risky mission. When the position was no longer defensible and the pass had to be abandoned, a rearguard had to be formed that would stall the Persian advance and protect the retreating army from being cut down by the chasing Persian cavalry. The Spartans along with the Thespians and the Thebans decided to stay back and hold the Persians till the rest of the force retreated safely. And thus they died to the last man including the Spartan King.

It's obviously very rare in history that a King would stay and fight a losing battle to allow for soldiers to escape. It was this sacrifice that elevated Leo's status. It was however an epic (no pun intended) feck up to choose to defend that pass when there was a flanking route through the mountains.
 
MadMike said:
Not the thread to talk about this to great extent but a small deviation might be acceptable.

They sent a King to lead in a highly risky mission. When the position was no longer defensible and the pass had to be abandoned, a rearguard had to be formed that would stall the Persian advance and protect the retreating army from being cut down by the chasing Persian cavalry. The Spartans along with the Thespians and the Thebans decided to stay back and hold the Persians till the rest of the force retreated safely. And thus they died to the last man including the Spartan King.

It's obviously very rare in history that a King would stay and fight a losing battle to allow for soldiers to escape. It was this sacrifice that elevated Leo's status. It was however an epic (no pun intended) feck up to choose to defend that pass when there was a flanking route through the mountains.
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I read this with great interest. What one can learn on a footy forum!
 
MadMike said:
Not the thread to talk about this to great extent but a small deviation might be acceptable.

They sent a King to lead in a highly risky mission. When the position was no longer defensible and the pass had to be abandoned, a rearguard had to be formed that would stall the Persian advance and protect the retreating army from being cut down by the chasing Persian cavalry. The Spartans along with the Thespians and the Thebans decided to stay back and hold the Persians till the rest of the force retreated safely. And thus they died to the last man including the Spartan King.

It's obviously very rare in history that a King would stay and fight a losing battle to allow for soldiers to escape. It was this sacrifice that elevated Leo's status. It was however an epic (no pun intended) feck up to choose to defend that pass when there was a flanking route through the mountains.
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Sad tale if only they'd had someone like Fellaini in reserve they could have brought him on to see out the battle, he could have headed most of the arrows away.
 
It's funny how bunch of armchair fans think they know better than our previous and current 3 managers :lol::lol::lol:
You should all go and make a job application :lol::lol::lol:
 
Rada said:
It's funny how bunch of armchair fans think they know better than our previous and current 3 managers :lol::lol::lol:
You should all go and make a job application :lol::lol::lol:
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Again with the easiest, most foolish "argument".

Isn't it nice, just say "you don't know better then our manager/s" and you "win" every argument by default, good for you!
 
evil_geko said:
Again with the easiest, most foolish "argument".

Isn't it nice, just say "you don't know better then our manager/s" and you "win" every argument by default, good for you!
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When is your interview? Hope you dress nice, can't wait to see you sell Fellaini ;)
 
MadMike said:
Not the thread to talk about this to great extent but a small deviation might be acceptable.

They sent a King to lead in a highly risky mission. When the position was no longer defensible and the pass had to be abandoned, a rearguard had to be formed that would stall the Persian advance and protect the retreating army from being cut down by the chasing Persian cavalry. The Spartans along with the Thespians and the Thebans decided to stay back and hold the Persians till the rest of the force retreated safely. And thus they died to the last man including the Spartan King.

It's obviously very rare in history that a King would stay and fight a losing battle to allow for soldiers to escape. It was this sacrifice that elevated Leo's status. It was however an epic (no pun intended) feck up to choose to defend that pass when there was a flanking route through the mountains.
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What an amazing story, they should make a film about it.

B20 said:
Delighted you're keeping your court jester.

He's not quite as good as bad as the haters make him out to be, but he is vividly symptomatic of what you've become and for that alone has entertainment value.

For non united fans that is.
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There's nothing wrong with being able to laugh at your own team, football's meant to be fun after all. There's only so much mirth to be derived from your mob :D
 
stevoc said:
Sad tale if only they'd had someone like Fellaini in reserve they could have brought him on to see out the battle, he could have headed most of the arrows away.
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The image of Fellaini in a hoplite phalanx is quite amusing.

Based on their skeleton remains ancient Greek men had an average height of 1.65m (not far different from many other peoples of that time, before someone laughs). Fellaini at 1.94m would have probably been the tallest man on the battlefield by some margin and would have stood out like a sore thumb.

He would have been a proper Goliath to everyone else's David. And quite fearsome to come up against. His elbows the bane of his enemies.
 
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stevoc said:
Well thats a depressing thought, Manchester United have never really used that tactic in the past and still been very successful. And none of the current top teams in europe really have specialist tall players in their squad that they bring on to play long ball.

Setting all that aside you would like to think that a squad assembled at a cost of £550-650m would be capable of winning games without having to resort to long ball tactics.
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Even still. With the purchase of Matic (assuming this is a done deal) and Lukaku, we have bought 2 players with a lenght of 1.90m or more. If there is a need to pump long balls, I would say we have enough length in the squad without using Fellaini. Lengt coming from better players as well.

If I would choose between keeping Fellaini or giving that spot to Pereira, it would be a no brainer for me. I have seen depressing quality on the ball from some players for to long now. Time to get rid of them and get players that actually poses the ability or potential to become a undisputed first player for United.
 
B20 said:
Delighted you're keeping your court jester.

He's not quite as good as bad as the haters make him out to be, but he is vividly symptomatic of what you've become and for that alone has entertainment value.

For non united fans that is.
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And after all those cup wins, where is that actually? Or to better put it, where that leaves you and what you've become? I guess we can easily stick this entertainment value to your club as a whole, from the board right down to the laundry ladies.

For all football fans that is.
 
Hawks2008 said:
I agree completely that those 3 were poor last season and they have everything to prove this coming season. However it appears Fellaini is Jose's golden boy who can do no wrong, he'll call out others for their mistakes/bad form but not Fellaini . He's a player who belongs in a Tony Pulis team, not at a team with title-winning aspirations.
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Again Fellaini hasn't really done anything wrong. He follows Mourinho's instructions.
 
It's sad when it should be peak muppet season, and the busiest transfer thread is one about Mourinho not selling Fellaini...

What the feck's going on? Have the Glazers closed up the bank? Has Woody lost his woody? Are all the big clubs waiting for this bizarre Neymar transfer to happen before announcing their own big signings?

It's eerily quiet from almost all clubs apart from PSG and Barca.
 
So many funny posts. It was all worth it for this thread. I'm sorry, but if you really think Fellaini having a jersey numbers equates to some guaranteed league finish or ceiling on our league finish then I think you'll believe anything.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It's sad when it should be peak muppet season, and the busiest transfer thread is one about Mourinho not selling Fellaini...

What the feck's going on? Have the Glazers closed up the bank? Has Woody lost his woody? Are all the big clubs waiting for this bizarre Neymar transfer to happen before announcing their own big signings?

It's eerily quiet from almost all clubs apart from PSG and Barca.
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We've signed 3 players for £145m-£175m and are trying to sign a fourth.


Milan have signed about 10 players, City have signed half a squad and are still going.


Where exactly are you getting your news?
 
Rada said:
It's funny how bunch of armchair fans think they know better than our previous and current 3 managers :lol::lol::lol:
You should all go and make a job application :lol::lol::lol:
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We should close down the forums then? Don't think there are top managers posting around here to "challenge" our previous and current managers.
 
mewnew11 said:
I can Understand why Mourinho rates him. Against High pressing sides , fellaini immediately becomes an outlet for De gea.

Jose used this again Ajax and against Liverpool and it worked well. Felli also provides ariel threat in the opposition box and an asset while defending corners.

He is a great asset to our side and will play his part in the team challenging. The complaint i have of him is he doesn't play the through ball and always pics the easy side pass and his elbows.
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Good post
 
Crashoutcassius said:
So many funny posts. It was all worth it for this thread. I'm sorry, but if you really think Fellaini having a jersey numbers equates to some guaranteed league finish or ceiling on our league finish then I think you'll believe anything.
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It's almost as people think he is relict from Moyes era which we must get rid in order to move forward. Well, in a way, he is seen exactly like that.

He is not a starter, has a limited role in which he showed he can be more than useful and has his qualities. And with our numbers in midfield, it makes far more logic to keep him.
 
I'm going to put it out there lads.

I've watched a fair bit of football in 41 years and you know what Fellaini is crap.
 
evil_geko said:
Again with the easiest, most foolish "argument".

Isn't it nice, just say "you don't know better then our manager/s" and you "win" every argument by default, good for you!
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And in this case It's very true
 
Does not Fellaini's contract expire next year? So the renewal is due soon then?

Ma rou ane Fellaini
Played for Toffees like Rooney
Ma rou ane Fellaini
Our midfield's huge palm tree
To the left to the right
Let his elbows work tonight
He is big he is tall
This is it from him, feck all.
 
Rada said:
It's funny how bunch of armchair fans think they know better than our previous and current 3 managers :lol::lol::lol:
You should all go and make a job application :lol::lol::lol:
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At least I wouldn't want to aspire to be like City, try and drive all flair out of our players due to some ridiculous philosophy or stick 11 men behind the ball at one of our most fierce rivals and be feted as a tactical genius
 
Siorac said:
I think he was scarred by his Real Madrid and Chelsea experiences where the players turned on him and now places an inordinate emphasis on loyalty and favours players who he perceives to be unlikely to "rebel". Even if they fail to track a runner or two in a lot of games.
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This is an interesting theory. Probably has some merit to it as well. Fellaini is also pretty popular among the players, I think. So if he treats Fellaini well it doesn't upset the others either.
 
Can't believe people thought Jose would let him go:lol: He adores him! A few months ago Felli spoke about how he'd do anything for Jose. Our manger has a big ego, so saying stuff like that will go down well with him. Felli is a great political tactician imho:D

If he's used in some cup games or when tactics call for it, or whatever, then no problem (though not ideal). Otherwise he's a good guy and never complains. I quite like him:nervous: However, he's in no way the future, so hopefully we don't hear of Jose pushing to give him a long contract extension!
 
Rada said:
It's funny how bunch of armchair fans think they know better than our previous and current 3 managers :lol::lol::lol:
You should all go and make a job application :lol::lol::lol:
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I wouldn't be too surprised if these were the same posters who were calling Valencia all the names under the Sun a couple of years ago. If back then you tried to defend him using the 'Every single manager trusts him and they know better than you lot' you would be called either Valencia loverwith no ambtion for your team to develop or Nani hater (as I did despite rating Nani as a great winger albeit not always consistent) FFS. After a few years ppl finally discover that this good ol' Tony is actually not that bad, which they will with Fellaini eventually - some already have.
 
My take is, Fella may not be one's ideal player style-wise but to say he's a rubbish footballer is everything but objective opinion. The guy's constantly giving good performances in big games as contrary to some opinions on here he's better against good opposition. Easier than stomach this would be to post a clip of him miscontrolling the ball against Bayern 3 years ago I guess.
 
Good news! Given our lack of creativity maybe Jose plans to use him as a number 10 to aim long balls at for the likes of Lukaku and Rashford to pick up the pieces.
 
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