Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

Okay with Theon still sleeping, what do people think about a Baresi - Figueroa partnership in defense ?

I'm still undecided, where to go with my second pick, I'll probably replace Marzolini, which means either Nilton Santos in or Figueroa in and Schnellinger to the left.

So it's between:

Schnellinger - Baresi - Figueroa - Carlos Alberto

and

Nilton Santos - Schnellinger - Baresi - Carlos Alberto

Any comments? I don't have an assistant to talk it through for hours, so you guys have to do :). If Annah picks Figueroa, it makes my decision easier, wouldn't mind that.
 
I'd go with the second one. While Baresi - Don Elias is a cracking CB pair and covers everything, based on WC form I wouldn't leave out Nilton for his completeness and how much he adds going forward.
 
It's also my prefered choice, Figueroa has the advantage to open up another non winner spot if I go through to the final though, which could come in handy. But I really like how Schnellinger complements Baresi and my whole 'Baresi organises the defense' - theme might be a bit difficult to sell with Figueroa next to him doing his thing.
 
Balu said:
It's also my prefered choice, Figueroa has the advantage to open up another non winner spot if I go through to the final though, which could come in handy. But I really like how Schnellinger complements Baresi and my whole 'Baresi organises the defense' - theme might be a bit difficult to sell with Figueroa next to him doing his thing.
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I think you are fine with your current central pair.
 
crappycraperson said:
You are not picking Pele then?
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Me?

Any chance he lasts till it's my turn? I've no clue what Theon is doing and I have my doubts that he would fit into Annah's team and if he lasts till me, I have a massive headache, but somehow I'm sure one of Theon or Annah will take that choice of me anyway.
 
Pol will be playing this front 4-

Eusebio - Rivaldo- Maradona- Garrincha

he will get the replacement he needs for zito to fit in garrincha and he is set. Infact he already has that in Ocwirk . He will just have to replace Cohen with a non winner.

Only chance I see someone beating him is they have Pele in there at least.
 
crappycraperson said:
Pol will be playing this front 4-

Eusebio - Rivaldo- Maradona- Garrincha

he will get the replacement he needs for zito to fit in garrincha and he is set. Infact he already has that in Ocwirk . He will just have to replace Cohen with a non winner.

Only chance I see someone beating him is they have Pele in there at least.
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Yeah that's phenomenal, it's hard to conceive of a more potent attack. He just needs to get enough grizzle and pragmatism behind and he's almost home and dry.
 
I'm not sold on that team. Maradona and Garrincha is imo a complete no go, there's no way you get remotely the best out of either in this setup and wasn't sold on Rivaldo's role last time, it's even worse now. I hope he plays Boniek there instead of Rivaldo, which helps improve that attack massively, imo.

Kinda strange that Polaroid saw it as a problem in Theon's team that Scirea next to two stoppers might loose his influence on the game with Beckenbauer playing box to box, yet goes the 'fit as many big names as possible in your attack' route there. I'm really interested in his tactical write-up, because I struggle to see Garrincha as an improvement in his team, really.
 
Balu said:
I'm not sold on that team. Maradona and Garrincha is imo a complete no go, there's no way you get remotely the best out of either in this setup and wasn't sold on Rivaldo's role last time, it's even worse now. I hope he plays Boniek there instead of Rivaldo, which helps improve that attack massively, imo.

Kinda strange that Polaroid saw it as a problem in Theon's team that Scirea next to two stoppers might loose his influence on the game with Beckenbauer playing box to box, yet goes the 'fit as many big names as possible in your attack' route there. I'm really interested in his tactical write-up, because I struggle to see Garrincha as an improvement in his team, really.
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It does not matter. He will get the votes. I agree with you on Rivaldo and also agreed with anto that Pol's team needed more a striker in the mold of Fontaine/Muller than Eusebio.
 
Balu said:
I'm not sold on that team. Maradona and Garrincha is imo a complete no go, there's no way you get remotely the best out of either in this setup and wasn't sold on Rivaldo's role last time, it's even worse now. I hope he plays Boniek there instead of Rivaldo, which helps improve that attack massively, imo.

Kinda strange that Polaroid saw it as a problem in Theon's team that Scirea next to two stoppers might loose his influence on the game with Beckenbauer playing box to box, yet goes the 'fit as many big names as possible in your attack' route there. I'm really interested in his tactical write-up, because I struggle to see Garrincha as an improvement in his team, really.
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There'll be a bit of jarring there between the big boys demanding a lot of the ball. But I'm yet to see anyone win an all-time draft without a plethora of chiefs who, in reality would all clash, but are too vote-worthy to turn down.
 
I agree, vote-wise it looks excellent but in reality it looks very dysfunctional. Too many chefs, Garrincha will want to have the ball and will drop in to the space of Maradona to get it. Maradona will want to have the ball and operate centrally primarily which is away from Garrincha.

Rivaldo was himself a central playmaker and Eusebio had a lot of his best traits in dropping deep and carrying the ball.

Every single player in that attack wants the ball for themselves and none would accept to be the one standing by the side-lines to "stretch the play" or take primarily make unselfish runs to open up space.
 
Gio said:
There'll be a bit of jarring there between the big boys demanding a lot of the ball. But I'm yet to see anyone win an all-time draft without a plethora of chiefs who, in reality would all clash, but are too vote-worthy to turn down.
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Only time I remember that it did not pay off was when someone clubbed Maradona and Cryuff
 
Well, yeah okay, if we talk about vote-winning I agree. Still feels wrong. I would have loved to see Garrincha in Annah's team :(. He really has that wonderful hardworking 3 man midfield to let him shine, selfless players who would give him the freedom he needs and force him to take over the responsibility to produce something in the final third. Stoichkov running in from the left, Leonidas dragging defenders all over the place and Cafu overlapping to make it a nightmare to defend against Garrincha.

Garrincha is most of the time only a sideshow in these drafts and in the end a big name for vote winning. Aldo got a bit unlucky there in the first round, with one round of reinforcements he really could have built a team around Garrincha '62.
 
crappycraperson said:
Only time I remember that it did not pay off was when someone clubbed Maradona and Cryuff
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Someone played Cruyff Maradona Garrincha as a 3 man attacking midfield behind a striker or something like that :lol:. Nightmare really.
 
Balu said:
Someone played Cruyff Maradona Garrincha as a 3 man attacking midfield behind a striker or something like that :lol:. Nightmare really.
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That was TITO. Me and anto defeated that team. I think he had Weah and Bremner(?) in midfield.

We ended up with a team of Pele, Maradona and Beckenbauer in the final. :lol:
 
I've still no clue what to do, so I'll wait for @Theon . I doubt he needs one of my picks anyway and I'm still thinking about a way to include one of the great Brazilian attackers in my team.
 
If Pele had slipped through, I might have done the following:

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Haan in his '74 sweeper role to build that left total football midfield side with Neeskens and Cruyff and Pele in his '70 role and the connection to Jairzinho and Alberto. There was never really a chance for it to happen though, any comments? I believe it's beautiful.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Looks good but Pele and Cruyff together would be one epic clash of egos. :D
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I actually think Pele '70 is the one who could work with one of Cruyff, Maradona or Garrincha. He was all about connecting pieces, not about dominating the game, imo. And he would complement Cruyff's movement really well.

Also Cruyff had huge respect towards Pele. When a journalist called him the next Pele, he responded by saying something in the sense of there's no way he can be Pele, he might be the next di Stefano, but Pele is something else, no one can play on his level.
 
If Theon ever shows up, that probably will be my next team:

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Kempes instead of Forlan would be possible, but I probably prefer Forlan in that setup, not really sure yet.
 
Balu said:
I actually think Pele '70 is the one who could work with one of Cruyff, Maradona or Garrincha. He was all about connecting pieces, not about dominating the game, imo. And he would complement Cruyff's movement really well.

Also Cruyff had huge respect towards Pele. When a journalist called him the next Pele, he responded by saying something in the sense of there's no way he can be Pele, he might be the next di Stefano, but Pele is something else, no one can play on his level.
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Pele did work with Garrincha and won two World Cups. :p

Pele was pretty much the main man in 70, I rate it as his best World Cup, more than 58 where he was more explosive but raw. In 70 from what I have watched I saw him as the orchestrator more than Gerson. Sure Gerson used to distribute balls, start attacks, etc but the moves all came together through Pele.

It's really difficult to say whether he would work without any fuss with someone like Cruyff who would sulk at the first moment of not getting the limelight. Given how massive morons these two are, I doubt they'd get out of the shower without exchanging pleasantries. :D
 
Worldcup Cruyff wasn't as bad as Barca Cruyff though. He worked harder, played deeper, didn't mind others to score. I agree with your take on Pele. He dropped deep quite a lot, drove the ball forward from midfield. I really liked his connection with Jairzinho and Alberto on the right, he even showed up at the wing quite a few times to play 1-2s when Jairzinho went on a run forward. That connection was the only reason why I considered playing him.

AldoPaine18 said:
Pele did work with Garrincha and won two World Cups. :D
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Well, when prime Garrincha came to the surface in '62, Pele was injured, so I don't think that really proves anything :lol:
 
Balu said:
Worldcup Cruyff wasn't as bad as Barca Cruyff though. He worked harder, played deeper, didn't mind others to score. I agree with your take on Pele. He dropped deep quite a lot, drove the ball forward from midfield. I really liked his connection with Jairzinho and Alberto on the right, he even showed up at the wing quite a few times to play 1-2s when Jairzinho went on a run forward. That connection was the only reason why I considered playing him.
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Yeah that connection would have been nice to recreate.

Me and Pol considered Pele (for the sake of argument) and at the end we reached the conclusion that Maradona and Pele being in the same dressing room cannot end well. :lol:

I would have absolutely loved to see Cruyff, Maradona and Pele in the same team even if it was for one season. There are egos, massive egos and then there's these three.
 
Balu said:
Well, when prime Garrincha came to the surface in '62, Pele was injured, so I don't think that really proves anything :lol:
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Really? I usually consider them one of the best partnerships ever seen in football. Complemented each other beautifully both in terms of playing style and one being crazy about the limelight will the other not giving a feck about anything including who his opponents are, pretty much like Sir Bobby and Bestie. No wonder Brazil never lost a game when these two started.
 
AldoPaine18 said:
Really? I usually consider them one of the best partnerships ever seen in football. Complemented each other beautifully both in terms of playing style and one being crazy about the limelight will the other not giving a feck about anything including who his opponents are, pretty much like Sir Bobby and Bestie. No wonder Brazil never lost a game when these two started.
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I didn't mean the idea of them playing together is wrong, quite the opposite. I agree that they would work, both in terms of playing styles and in terms of egos, no doubt. The comment above sounds a bit wrong, now, not really what I meant to say :lol:.
 
How does this work btw, do I have 16 hours for my 2 picks (8 for each) or only 8 hours because it's my turn?

And when do we start the next games? Wednesday/Thursday next week?
 
I'm just asking, I doesn't care that much, I'm happy to play on the weekend as well.
 
Theon did know that we start drafting, right? I think he posted yesterday night in one of the threads after Pol said he will pick soon.
 
Balu said:
Theon did know that we start drafting, right? I think he posted yesterday night in one of the threads after Pol said he will pick soon.
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Sorry man

Yeah I did, but they said they would be an hour and ended up being much later so I had to go to bed - it was 3.30am when they picked.

Annahnomoss said:
8 hours has past since Pol's pick.
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:lol: fecking hell. You didn't waste a second there did you!
 
Theon said:
Sorry man

Yeah I did, but they said they would be an hour and ended up being much later so I had to go to bed - it was 3.30am when they picked.



:lol: fecking hell. You didn't waste a second there did you!
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Don't steal my picks and I won't be mad at you :lol:
 
Hmm, I really have no idea what to do here now. Completely fecked with the restrictions
 
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