I'm afraid you'll exhaust everyone with your massive tactics and then when they go to vote for me (which they obviously will...
), they'll accidentally click you and you'll win =P. And yes I did spot your white text, bitch!Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars
- Thread starter Polaroid
- Start date
I'm afraid you'll exhaust everyone with your massive tactics and then when they go to vote for me (which they obviously will...
), they'll accidentally click you and you'll win =P. And yes I did spot your white text, bitch!
I'm afraid you write another wall of death and no one will read my tactics at all when they're through with yours
. No seriously, you don't need to worry. You have a well balanced team with no obvious flaw and play a formation that has no tactical disadvantage. As long as you don't start to claim you have a 5vs3 numeric advantage in midfield, I'm sure it won't be as much about tactics as my first game.Also I don't need to distract everyone from my shit centerback pairing anymore, which makes it much easier to argue my case
.What? I did harp quite a bit on Meazza being so underrated here. He was voted 4th best player in WC history. Too bad he was against Pele in that match up.
He doesn't deserve to be dropped as he is a great inside left.
Shame on me then, though you certainly didn't tell the story about him dropping his pants
.Just got back from a VIP event for the World Cup Tour. Thicker and heavier than I thought actually.
Guess who I met there? Alcides Edgardo Ghiggia
Guess who I met there? Alcides Edgardo Ghiggia
Haha, nice!
Funny old world init!
Aye - it's not bad. But it certainly isn't as good as some people would have you believe either. It doesn't cover nearly enough, which is fair - but it sort of pretends to cover the whole thing, which is not fair. But it was an enjoyable enough read, for a football book. The author strikes me as too much of an anti-English Englishman, though. That schtick is as old as civilization.
Just got back from a VIP event for the World Cup Tour. Thicker and heavier than I thought actually.
Guess who I met there? Alcides Edgardo Ghiggia
How cool! Did you speak to him?
Yeah, told him I was playing this draft game on the internet and some chump called Theon argued he was insane as a fifth round pick because he wasn't listed in some random website he consults. Told him I would put it right.
Very enjoyable read. I like all of what I've read from Wilson.
Doubt he gives a shit really. He won a World Cup, on the pitch, scoring and assisting in every game, all 5 points in the final league stage can be traced back to his contribution... Why would he care about the opinion of a keyboard warrior?
So it's taken antohan all of five minutes to start acting the dick again. You really take online fantasy drafts far too seriously, it's all quite sad considering how old you are antohan. As anyone involved in a game with you knows, you constantly criticise other peoples teams and picks - as you did with the likes of paceme and me in the draft thread. Yet you start crying and whining as soon as anyone even mentions you might have done something wrong. You're a walking hypocrite and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
I never even criticised Gigga (certainly not the way you criticised other people) but picking him 5th pick was a very strange decision considering no body else wanted him or even knew who Giggi was! You can try and bullshit your way through the game - as you often do - but it would be like me talking up Piola after his exploits in 1938, when in reality I know he shouldn't hack it at this level.
Seeing as its you though no doubt Gegga will be made out to be Garrincha mk II
As anyone involved in a game with you knows, you constantly criticise other peoples teams and picks - as you did with the likes of paceme and me in the draft thread. Yet you start crying and whining as soon as anyone even mentions you might have done something wrong. You're a walking hypocrite and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
I never even criticised Gigga (certainly not the way you criticised other people) but picking him 5th pick was a very strange decision considering no body else wanted him or even knew who Giggi was! You can try and bullshit your way through the game - as you often do - but it would be like me talking up Piola after his exploits in 1938, when in reality I know he shouldn't hack it at this level.
Seeing as its you though no doubt Gegga will be made out to be Garrincha mk II
Playing the "poor me" card this early Theon? I haven't had a go at your players (in fact agreed Beckenbauer in midfield sorts out what I said re: picking Scirea).
What you are doing above is very disrespectful and completely out of order though. Tell me, how many players scored and assisted in a final, semi and quarter on their way to winning a World Cup?
Fun Facts, I like that game. I raise you with a who is the biggest team-carrying forward of a World Cup in history!
"How many players has won their team every single game they played in a World-Cup by just their goals alone".
I.e 1. With them in the team they won every game. 2. Removing their goals they would have lost/drawn every game instead.
Leonidas is the only one I know so far who alone won his team every single game in the tournament with his goals. Kocsis/Fontaine didn't they are the only ones I've checked though.
, that's a really convoluted category you have created Annah! Your enthusiasm for Leonidas is commendable, much better than Theon "Piola can't hack it at this level" Gravejoy. I hear Baggio and Scirea are offended, and Piola has flown back to Italy as he doesn't see the point in sticking around.I feel for Theon, he hasn't been the same ever since being relegated with Bolton. I understand Bolton fans were close to lynching him after he complained the owners had't supported him with the funds to bring Xavi and Cristiano to the Reebok stadium. Something really bad must have happened in that half hour they locked him up in the changing rooms.
Is it just me who really really doesn't get at least half the jokes Anto throws at Theon? I've honestly no clue what the Bolton thing above means (and I don't really want to know either, I think).
@Theon, I think you underrate Piola a bit, you've drafted really well, so that you had the luxery to upgrade a brilliant worldcup player with an better known alltime great, but I don't think your team would have been significantly weaker with Piola in there instead of Müller. Of course I have to say this now after bringing Meazza in my team, defending the outstanding pre-war players, but I really believe that change won't decide your game against Anto.
(edit: forgot about the game for 3rd place, so Leonidas won 3 out of 5 games ).
(and I don't really want to know either, I think).@Theon, I think you underrate Piola a bit, you've drafted really well, so that you had the luxery to upgrade a brilliant worldcup player with an better known alltime great, but I don't think your team would have been significantly weaker with Piola in there instead of Müller. Of course I have to say this now after bringing Meazza in my team, defending the outstanding pre-war players, but I really believe that change won't decide your game against Anto.
I agree with Anto, your enthusiasm towards Leonidas is brilliant and I loved to learn so much about him as a player. But the bolded part sounds a bit strange, after all he played only 4 games over two worldcups and Brazil won only 2 of those 4 games. Whoever decided to rest him against Italy in '38 should be shot of course, that's one of the weirdest things about football, I've ever read. Rest your best player against the reigning world champion in a semifinal after barely getting past Poland and Czechoslovakia. Why would you ever do that (unless he's injured, of course, but afaik he wasn't).
(edit: forgot about the game for 3rd place, so Leonidas won 3 out of 5 games
).Is it just me who really really doesn't get at least half the jokes Anto throws at Theon? I've honestly no clue what the Bolton thing above means
@Theon, I think you underrate Piola a bit, you've drafted really well, so that you had the luxery to upgrade a brilliant worldcup player with an better known alltime great, but I don't think your team would have been significantly weaker with Piola in there instead of Müller. Of course I have to say this now after bringing Meazza in my team, defending the outstanding pre-war players, but I really believe that change won't decide your game against Anto.
I agree with Anto, your enthusiasm towards Leonidas is brilliant and I loved to learn so much about him as a player. But the bolded part sounds a bit strange, after all he played only 4 games over two worldcups and Brazil won only 2 of those 4 games. Whoever decided to rest him against Italy in '38 should be shot of course, that's one of the weirdest things about football, I've ever read. Rest your best player against the reigning world champion in a semifinal after barely getting past Poland and Czechoslovakia. Why would you ever do that (unless he's injured, of course, but afaik he wasn't).
I don't get it either at all.
He played 5 matches. Won 3 drew 1 in '38 and without Leonidas goals they would have won 0 out of 5. Of course back in these days playing 5 WC games meant you had an excellent WC career considering you didn't get any free group-stage matches.
Is it just me who really really doesn't get at least half the jokes Anto throws at Theon? I've honestly no clue what the Bolton thing above means
You and anyone not watching GoT. Theon Gravejoy gets his balls cut off by the bastard from the House of Bolton.
Theon's mindgames have been a disaster so far. Upset Piola and the Italian brigade. Schoolkid misspelling of Ghiggia has him now nailed on two ravage that right flank amid his own players overlooking the threat. My favourite so far thou is his laughing at my suggestion Romario was the man for him. Romario knew only one way to respond to wums and abuse:
Two of those vs. Uruguay to leave us out of wc94. He also screwed us in the 89 copa final. We never had an answer for a Brazilian who couldn't be bullied
The last game had gone to ET so jaded, stupid decision either way. Annah's category is an unusual one in that you need someone to always contribute to a win, no one else doing much (Ghiggia fails in that Uruguay could still beat Bolivia without him, no shit Sherlock!), and for them not to wind up winning it all you need an injury or retarded manager!
I actually watch GoT and get it now
It's still not funny though or you can blame my lack of a sense of humour, you know, because I'm German. Both could be true, I let everyone else decide.I actually watch GoT and get it now
You know the Boltons torture him? I'm just putting two and two together to wonder how Theon would fare with Bolton when someone like Piola isn't good enough for him in a WC draft.
The category of Leonidas was of course a joke because I thought your own category about Ghiggia was too far-fetched. Thought that went through but it didn't apparently.
What the hell Anto, I watch GOT but I didn't get that at all.
What the hell Anto, I watch GOT but I didn't get that at all.
Come on now, trying to explain a joke is always a bad sign. Blame it on my sense of humour and you might get away with it
. scoring and assisting deciding goals at the business end of the tourno? Far-fetched criterion? Really?Uruguay-Spain, 2-2, Ghiggia scored
Uruguay-Sweden 3-2, Ghiggia scored and assisted
Uruguay-Brasil 2-1, Ghiggia scored and assisted
That to me is top top performance at a World Cup whichever way you look at it. Allowing for format changes, it's akin to the impact of Maradona 86, Rossi 82, Kempes 78, Muller 74, Garrincha 62 or Pele 58. Now how many of those are wingers?
I'm not saying he is as good, let alone better than those, but as far as World Cup peak performances are concerned he absolutely deserves being rated as highly as I rate him. The facts are there for you to assess, I can't make them up, can I?
Uruguay-Spain, 2-2, Ghiggia scored
Uruguay-Sweden 3-2, Ghiggia scored and assisted
Uruguay-Brasil 2-1, Ghiggia scored and assisted
That to me is top top performance at a World Cup whichever way you look at it. Allowing for format changes, it's akin to the impact of Maradona 86, Rossi 82, Kempes 78, Muller 74, Garrincha 62 or Pele 58. Now how many of those are wingers?
I'm not saying he is as good, let alone better than those, but as far as World Cup peak performances are concerned he absolutely deserves being rated as highly as I rate him. The facts are there for you to assess, I can't make them up, can I?
I have no doubt about it. But using the following system is the ridiculous part "Tell me, how many players scored and assisted in a final, semi and quarter on their way to winning a World Cup?"
There is no need to ask "How many has done this" then adding a non-individual trait such as "winning the world cup.". It doesn't add or take away anything from a players performance which makes the entire thing sound like a "fun but pointless fact".
All the players who scored or assisted in 3 consecutive knock-out stage matches are equally impressive so there is no need to remove them "by default". Ghiggia's performance is solid enough to compare him against anybody - not just world cup winners who scored or assisted in every game in the knock-out stages.
Shame on me then, though you certainly didn't tell the story about him dropping his pants
The last 2 lines....
I wasn't talking about him dropping into a deeper position, I was literally talking about him loosing his pants when taking a penalty during the game
.It wasn't your fault, the game in which you took over didn't get the attention it deserved in general after the delay and all. Really no criticism towards you at all.
I struggle to think of any players who scored and assisted in the quarters, semis and final (call it last three games given the many format changes) being the difference between winning and losing, and didn't win it tbh. I get your point, but don't really see who it applies to.
Of course that is not the only marker for a great performance. Remove being the "sole" difference between winning and losing and other players join in, like Jairzinho who had a great WC and the fact that Brazil would have won it anyway shouldn't be held against him. Now you also have losers who scored in the last three games as well: Neeskens '74, Haller '66, or Stábile in 1930. Remove scoring and make it "score OR assist" and you also get Rahn 54 among the winners, Czibor 54 and Zidane 06 among the losers. Remove requiring the consistency of three games on the trot (down to two) and you get Nejedly 34, Piola 38, Zizinho and Ademir in 1950, Vavá in 58 and 62, and likely half a dozen others up to Romario and Baggio 94, or Ballack in 2002. Notice though how here you start getting a more even assortment across winners and losers.
In any case, the point was aimed at outstanding performances which make the difference between winning and losing the tourno. Those are few and far apart, and even relaxing the conditions produces a select list, thus it is ludicrous to argue anyone with Ghiggia's record isn't worthy of being in the Top 80 (which is what 5th round effectively is). Theon admitted it is all down to ignorance anyway, so it's a non-issue.
Come on now, trying to explain a joke is always a bad sign. Blame it on my sense of humour and you might get away with it
I blame your sense of humour. Come on, it's a fantasy draft, with managers named after fantasy characters, why not taking it a step further for the sake of fun and games?
I guess it was lost on you how Bolton is synonymous with unimaginative troglodites, whether we are talking about the fantasy ones, or their players and fans in real life.
In anto's defense, I got the joke the first time. But then, I am a GOT numpty.
This is what I meant, Ghiggia doesn't need selective stats to be highly rated. Just describe Ghiggias performance and it will speak for itself even without removing the group-stage out of the equation.
I don't mind that, I just said I didn't get it. And now please stop highlighting my inaptitude to connect Theon, Bolton and Fantasy with GoT despite watching the show
.I also expect some witty comments with connections to The Jungle Book now thrown at me, maybe I get those
.I don't mind that, I just said I didn't get it. And now please stop highlighting my inaptitude to connect Theon, Bolton and Fantasy with GoT despite watching the show
I also expect some witty comments with connections to The Jungle Book now thrown at me, maybe I get those
Writing them as we speak. Be afraid.
I don't mind that, I just said I didn't get it. And now please stop highlighting my inaptitude to connect Theon, Bolton and Fantasy with GoT despite watching the show
I also expect some witty comments with connections to The Jungle Book now thrown at me, maybe I get those
Team talk time
