Fantasy Draft DISCUSSION ONLY Thread

Jaaskelainen completes the draft then. A very good pick, too. Very underrated goalkeeper.

What now?

Not sure - i suppose we await instructions from Erics Collar - there had to be a draw of who plays who and then various threads for voting

My final decision on keeper was between Southall, Flowers and Jaaskelainen - went for Southall but not suprised that the other 2 were picked just after.

Now that it is over - here are the players that I had on my list who did not get picked:
Paul Gascoigne
David Platt
Gary Mabbut
Paul Merson
Anders Limpar
Michael Ballack
Stephen Carr
Gary Kelly
Christian Ziege
Ed De Goey
Dion Dublin
Hernan Crespo
Gianluca Vialli
Fabrizio Ravanelli

Edit: I was also waiting to see if anyone went for Eboue - there is going to be a vote after all !
 
So have you all picked then? Can the rest of us say who we think you should have picked, or are you doing subs?

there are no subs so go ahead ... would be interested to hear about players that have been missed and also which picked players people think are the shittest
 
Not sure - i suppose we await instructions from Erics Collar - there had to be a draw of who plays who and then various threads for voting

My final decision on keeper was between Southall, Flowers and Jaaskelainen - went for Southall but not suprised that the other 2 were picked just after.

Now that it is over - here are the players that I had on my list who did not get picked:

Edit: I was also waiting to see if anyone went for Eboue - there is going to be a vote after all !

As I'm impartial, I was going to draw up a list of "the one's that got away too". Comments on your lists...

Paul Gascoigne - Non existent in PL, dunno if he made 40 apps
David Platt - Not bad at Arsenal actually, could've been a later pick for someone
Gary Mabbut - Good player, late in his career for PL though
Paul Merson - Not a fan, but probably should have been picked given some of the other choices
Anders Limpar - He was alright
Michael Ballack - Been a bit shit
Stephen Carr - Always been a bit shit
Gary Kelly - Would've been a solid choice for someone
Christian Ziege - As above
Ed De Goey - Good at Chelsea pre-Roman. I don't think anyone's chosen a weaker GK though
Dion Dublin - Scored a lot of PL goals, surprised he wasn't picked
Hernan Crespo - A bit disappointing 03/04, but very good 05/06 where he got goals and won the league, he should have been picked
Gianluca Vialli - Also did well pre-Roman and scored a fair few
Fabrizio Ravanelli - One season wonder? Possibly, but there are more out there that were picked
 
there are no subs so go ahead ... would be interested to hear about players that have been missed and also which picked players people think are the shittest

I've just seen your list of "nearly picked".

I had a few of those in mind, also Albert Ferrer, Ugo Ehiogu, Andy Hinchcliffe, Patrick Berger, Tim Sherwood, Nick Barmby, Duncan Ferguson and Yakubu would be improvements on some picks.
 
BTW the following players all appeared in PFA Teams of the Year yet were never picked:
Mark Wright
Stig Inge Bjornebye
Neil Sullivan
Gary Kelly
Kevin Phillips
Stephen Carr (twice !)
Keiron Dyer
Andy Johnson
Pascal Chimbonda

Now some of these were blatantly one season wonders but considering some of the shite players that have been picked I am suprised more of these did not appear
 
As I'm impartial, I was going to draw up a list of "the one's that got away too". Comments on your lists...

Paul Gascoigne - Non existent in PL, dunno if he made 40 apps
David Platt - Not bad at Arsenal actually, could've been a later pick for someone
Gary Mabbut - Good player, late in his career for PL though
Paul Merson - Not a fan, but probably should have been picked given some of the other choices
Anders Limpar - He was alright
Michael Ballack - Been a bit shit
Stephen Carr - Always been a bit shit
Gary Kelly - Would've been a solid choice for someone
Christian Ziege - As above
Ed De Goey - Good at Chelsea pre-Roman. I don't think anyone's chosen a weaker GK though
Dion Dublin - Scored a lot of PL goals, surprised he wasn't picked
Hernan Crespo - A bit disappointing 03/04, but very good 05/06 where he got goals and won the league, he should have been picked
Gianluca Vialli - Also did well pre-Roman and scored a fair few
Fabrizio Ravanelli - One season wonder? Possibly, but there are more out there that were picked

Gazza played almost 80 Prem matches for Boro and Everton - was past his best but still had flashes of his old self
Dont agree on Stephen Carr - twice voted into team of the year by his peers!
Pretty much agree with the rest but worse players than all of these have definitely been picked
 
Tim Sherwood, Platt, Carr, Merson were on my list at the end... I even considered Riise.
 
Park
Fortune, Malbranque
Yeboah, Davids, Parker*
Flamini
Bentley, Senderos.
Rush
Downing, Geremi
Veron

OK, that is my list of players who I think could easily have been replaced - be it by somebody who was later chosen or another player not currently in the game. I have slight doubts about others, but the above are the one's I was surprised were selected, personally.

*Is this Paul Parker? If so, carry on, fair do's. If it's Scott Parker - brilliant, he remains.
 
BTW the following players all appeared in PFA Teams of the Year yet were never picked:
Mark Wright
Stig Inge Bjornebye
Neil Sullivan
Gary Kelly
Kevin Phillips
Stephen Carr (twice !)
Keiron Dyer
Andy Johnson
Pascal Chimbonda

Now some of these were blatantly one season wonders but considering some of the shite players that have been picked I am suprised more of these did not appear

They all scream of one season wonders though. Except Carr, apparently! Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I've never, ever rated him highly.

As for Gazza, he was pretty crap in Premier League, his first game wasn't until 97/98 season was it? Flashes yes, nothing more.
 
Park
Fortune, Malbranque
Yeboah, Davids, Parker*
Flamini
Bentley, Senderos.
Rush
Downing, Geremi
Veron

OK, that is my list of players who I think could easily have been replaced - be it by somebody who was later chosen or another player not currently in the game. I have slight doubts about others, but the above are the one's I was surprised were selected, personally.

*Is this Paul Parker? If so, carry on, fair do's. If it's Scott Parker - brilliant, he remains.

Agree totally on Senderos and Davids, they were shite in the prem.

Add John Barnes to that. He was crap in the premiership.
 
Agree totally on Senderos and Davids, they were shite in the prem.

Add John Barnes to that. He was crap in the premiership.

I don't agree on Barnes, I think he still had it. Probably played on a bit long when he left Liverpool, but still good in the early years.

On reflection, Malbranque might make my questionable list, but I'm leaving him in anyway as I'm sure there was better available.
 
"Why do we need Zidane when we have Tim Sherwood?" - Jack Walker to Kenny Daglish, 1995.

He'd be turning in his grave at the thought of him being left out of this game...
 
"Why do we need Zidane when we have Tim Sherwood?" - Jack Walker to Kenny Daglish, 1995.

He'd be turning in his grave at the thought of him being left out of this game...

Ruud Gullit said in a press conferance once "I don't need Paul Ince (he was at Inter at the time), i've got Eddie Newton".
 
This was my original plan when I started

----------------The Great Dane
--Lauren-------McGrath---Vidic------Evra
--Kan Kan-----Gullit--------Ince-----Pires
------------Le Tisser
-------------------Shearer

ended up with

----------------Lehmann
--Lauren-------McGrath---Southgate------Lescott
--Mcmanaman----Speed-------Ince-----A.Young
------------Di Canio
-------------------Shearer

Some I considered included Fortune, Parker, Gary Kelly, Ed De Goey and much much more. I was about to pick Mascherano as well but took up a defender instead
 
They all scream of one season wonders though. Except Carr, apparently! Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I've never, ever rated him highly.

As for Gazza, he was pretty crap in Premier League, his first game wasn't until 97/98 season was it? Flashes yes, nothing more.

Dunno Mark Wright and Gary Kelly were solid players for a few years and Dyer was always decent but a massive sicknote

Agree totally on Senderos and Davids, they were shite in the prem.

Add John Barnes to that. He was crap in the premiership.

:nono: Perhaps not the speedy winger that he was in his youth but he became Liverpool captain, moved infield (as Giggs is doing at the moment) and was still scoring and regularly setting up goals for the likes of Fowler until 1998 - as I mentioned earlier he was still playing for England until 1995 so cant have been that bad (admittedly it was a dark period for the national team!)
 
Sorry Roodboy, he was shite. It was sad to watch a player who was so good (he really was something special) lose his pace and get fat. The Giggs comparison is WAY off of the mark. Giggs is still fantastic. Barnes the same age had completely lost it.
 
Sorry Roodboy, he was shite. It was sad to watch a player who was so good (he really was something special) lose his pace and get fat. The Giggs comparison is WAY off of the mark. Giggs is still fantastic. Barnes the same age had completely lost it.

Think it is a bit much to say he was shite - fair enough to say he was a different player to his youth - he was not just a bit part player, he became the Liverpool captain and played week in, week out for the first 5 Prem seasons.

Dont worry Im not saying he was as good as Giggs is now because Giggs is still in great shape and Barnes did put on a lot of weight - just making the comparison of moving infield from the wing. He took on a totally different role and just sat in midfield (almost a holding player) dictating play with his passes (like a new version of Jan Molby).
 
This was my original plan when I started

----------------The Great Dane
--Lauren-------McGrath---Vidic------Evra
--Kan Kan-----Gullit--------Ince-----Pires
------------Le Tisser
-------------------Shearer

Really?

Why wasn't this your original plan:

.......................Schmeichel
G.Neville......Campbell....Ferdinand......Irwin
Ronaldo......Keane..........Scholes.......Giggs
................Shearer........Cantona
 
The player im surprised was never pick was Kinkladze.

If i had lost Kanchelskis before my next pick I was going for Kinkladze, great player even if he was from the massives.
 
Just need Erics Collar to make the new thread about our teams and we can get underway.
 
Really?

Why wasn't this your original plan:

.......................Schmeichel
G.Neville......Campbell....Ferdinand......Irwin
Ronaldo......Keane..........Scholes.......Giggs
................Shearer........Cantona

Campbell? I'd have gone with Adams...
 
Anyway, one played I'm very surprised wasn't picked is Keown...

I know what a lot of people feel about vote losers, but surely if Fowler & Heinze got picked...
 
Ok guys, we made it. Im so emotional right now. :p

Good news and bad news. Bad news is, my laptop screen is broken so I can really only log in once a day now, but good news is, the draw has been made.

1. Fort Boyard vs Melvin Yeo
2. Cal? vs SharkyMcShark
3. The Law of Denis vs Roodboy
4. Ace vs Solius
5. M13 Red vs Danish Voice
6. Erics Collar vs Smash-E
7. Vinay vs R.Nilsson7
8. esmufc09 vs SirAF

Now you guys have one more thing to do before voting gets underway. Examine your own team, and examine your opponents team. Look at strenghts and weaknesses, ask yourself how can this guys team get at mine and how can I stop it, and vice versa. Are you a threat from corners? Do you have a player all your attacks go through? Can your formation change if things arent going to plan? I want you to submit just a paragraph on this - basically, its your tactics. PM me this paragraph so the other person doesn't have an advantage of seeing your tactics posted here (I'll post them together in the game thread).

PS: Smash-E, I already have my tactics made out, so you can submit yours - you'll see yourself that there wont be any reference to your tactics in mine. You can trust me :angel:

Basically, I want you guys to fill out this questionnaire:

Team Name:
Formation: Just your formation in basic format, similar to what duffer posted. Example:
.............De Goey
Ferrer Ehiogu Wright Hinchcliffe
Berger Merson Sherwood Barmby
.........Yakubu Ferguson

Captain:
Free Kick Taker(s):
Corner Taker(s):
Penalty Taker(s):
Tactics: Maybe 200 words or so? I dont know, whatever you can fit your tactics (as outlined above) into. Just dont send me any essays please, I have enough of them in uni! Make sure its a tactic that suits the team your playing (you can submit new tactics for the next round if you make it!). Ideally, this is what will swing votes. Hopefully.

REMEMBER, SUBMIT THIS VIA PM TO ME AND ILL POST IT WHEN I MAKE THE FIRST ROUND THREAD!

Thanks for getting things this far guys. :devil:
 
Just wanted to add that if anybody has any problems or recommendations, just send me a PM and ill try get back to you as soon as possible. Ill probably only be able to log on sometime between the hours of 1pm - 5pm each day but hopefully that wont be a problem.
 
arse - got drawn against one of the few teams that I rated !

will have to come up with the winning tactics ...
 
Just doing a short summary of why I picked the players since I didn't post it in the other thread.

1: Jussi Jaaskelainen - A remarkably long servant to Bolton for 12 years, a rarity in football these days. An excellent shot stopper who has foiled many a striker down the years, he has saved numerous points for a very average Bolton side on many occasions. In Bolton's first season in the Premiership, he was voted goalkeeper of the year, and he helped Bolton to reach the dizzy heights of UEFA Cup spots under Sam Allardyce.

2: Luke Young - He has been an integral part of a Villa side that has rocketed up the league this season, and he provides a balance between attack and defence. A solid full back who won't let you down, he was one of the more standout players under Alan Curbishley's reign at Charlton.

3: Stuart Pearce - A mainstay in Nottingham Forest and England teams in the 90s, he was a driving force for Nottingham Forest's brief renaissance in the Premier League in the mid 90s where they finished third. His 78 caps for England says it all, a vital cog of my team's defence.

4: Marcel Desailly - Joined Chelsea with the influx of other foreigners, and he was their captain as well as a France's World Cup and Euro 2000 winning captain. A brilliant defender in his prime, he slowed down towards the end of his Chelsea career but served them with distinction for 7 years, forming a partnership alongside compatriot Frank Lebeouf.

5: Stephane Henchoz - Although usually it was his partner Sami Hyypia that got more credit, Henchoz was an underrated centre half who helped Liverpool to much success under Gerard Houllier.The partnership was the backbone of the mean defence that Liverpool had, and Liverpool briefly topped the league in 02/03 in November before he got injured. An excellent defender, who was no nonsense in style.

6: Dietmar Hamann - Another unsung hero of the Liverpool team that competed under Houllier, he was essential in sitting in front of the back four and spreading the play to start off Liverpool attacks. Technically excellent, his long range shots were always a threat, including free kicks, contributing important goals for Liverpool. His importance to Liverpool was evident in their Champions League win over Milan.

7: Gianfranco Zola - A true legend of the Premier League, Zola's quality shone through as Chelsea rose from the also rans to challenge for trophies under first Gullit, and then Vialli and Ranieri. He was a magician in many aspects, and led Sir Alex to call him a clever little so and so after tormenting United in the FA Cup. Helped Chelsea to a Champions League spot in his twilight years, and even Abramovich tried to convince him to stay on for one more year, but he was bound by his loyalty to his hometown club of Cagliari.

8: Gus Poyet - He joined Chelsea around the time that Zola and Desailly did, and was as important as them to the team. Had the knack of getting forward and scoring crucial goals, and even at Tottenham he was still able to score goals consistently for a midfielder.

9: David Ginola - One of the best and most exciting wingers the Premiership has ever seen, Ginola played his best football in the free-flowing Newcastle side that led the Premiership by 10 points in January 1996. He joined Spurs where he kept up his level of performances, scoring great goals by cutting inside from the left, most memorably the goal against Barnsley in the FA Cup.

10: Wayne Rooney - One of my favourite players at United now, you know that you will get 100% commitment from him. Capable of scoring important and great goals, he is the focal point of the attack for my team.

11: Juan Sebastian Veron - One of the most contentious picks I'll admit, but in previous posts I have already why I picked him. Excellent player who will turn it on against big sides, he has the quality to unpick defences with a pass out of nowhere.