Fantasy Draft DISCUSSION ONLY Thread

Sorry if I spoilt anyones ideas. There was no intention to!
I like this idea though, would have been cool to be involved! Sadly I was still a newb when this was created!
 
roodboy said:
I would have picked Sherringham but Cal? beat me to it

There is clearly a bias toward recent players and it seems some of the greats from the early days are being ignored - although since the average age of the Caf seems to be about 12, perhaps half the people on here wont even know who Klinsmann is!!
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There is also the argument that the Prem has gotten better in recent years hence the stars of today are better...
 
Just need M13 and Eric to pick so i can do mine before I go back to work.
 
Cal? said:
There is also the argument that the Prem has gotten better in recent years hence the stars of today are better...
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Cant say I have ever heard that argument! I dont agree with it anyway ...
 
I asked this a page or two back but nobody replied so I'll ask again: Are we allowed to do transfers with other players?
 
roodboy said:
I would have picked Sherringham but Cal? beat me to it

There is clearly a bias toward recent players and it seems some of the greats from the early days are being ignored - although since the average age of the Caf seems to be about 12, perhaps half the people on here wont even know who Klinsmann is!!
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Cal? said:
Well Premiership clubs are doing much better in the CL in recent years, so the standard is higher.
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I agree with Cal.

I'm not certain on some of the earlier choices made so early on by some posters. There are classy, retired players still out there though.
 
MelvinYeo said:
I asked this a page or two back but nobody replied so I'll ask again: Are we allowed to do transfers with other players?
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Brilliant! I guess that's Eric's call, but I can't see anyone wanting to swap. 2 for 1 offers might be funny though.
 
Cling Bak said:
Brilliant! I guess that's Eric's call, but I can't see anyone wanting to swap. 2 for 1 offers might be funny though.
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Might be difficult to implement for this game but on other forums I've seen such games where there are separate leagues for England, Italy and Spain and everyone picks players from there then everyone's allowed to do transfers.

Could be an idea to look at if this takes off.
 
Cal? said:
Well Premiership clubs are doing much better in the CL in recent years, so the standard is higher.
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That is true but I think that has plenty to do with tactical naivety of early Prem teams in Europe - dont forget that English clubs were banned from Europe for a few years so it took time for them to get back to standard.

Players who won the early Player of the Year awards were people like Shearer, Cantona, Zola, Bergkamp and Klinsmann - so I do not think that the top players today are better than the top players from 15 years ago.
 
Cling Bak said:
I'm not certain on some of the earlier choices made so early on by some posters. There are classy, retired players still out there though.
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out of interest, which of the early choices do you not rate?
 
roodboy said:
That is true but I think that has plenty to do with tactical naivety of early Prem teams in Europe - dont forget that English clubs were banned from Europe for a few years so it took time for them to get back to standard.

Players who won the early Player of the Year awards were people like Shearer, Cantona, Zola, Bergkamp and Klinsmann - so I do not think that the top players today are better than the top players from 15 years ago.
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I think the overall quality of the teams has improved, that's all. Fewer weak links. The best of the best are still at the same, high level.

roodboy said:
out of interest, which of the early choices do you not rate?
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Ok, I don't want to offend people or get into a big debate, it is after all different people's opinions, but I was surprised - even though these are all quality players - at how early the following came out:

Bruce, McGrath, Evra, Andy Cole, Solskjaer.

And whilst he may have been needed by someone eventually, I was surprised anyone - particularly at this stage - wanted David Batty!

Just my opinion, but then I am one of the one's voting.
 
roodboy said:
That is true but I think that has plenty to do with tactical naivety of early Prem teams in Europe - dont forget that English clubs were banned from Europe for a few years so it took time for them to get back to standard.

Players who won the early Player of the Year awards were people like Shearer, Cantona, Zola, Bergkamp and Klinsmann - so I do not think that the top players today are better than the top players from 15 years ago.
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Well, Ronaldo is the only one who's ever won World Footballer of the Year playing in the Premiership, so he's supposed to be better than all those. :smirk:

*hint* I've Ronaldo in my team. :lol:

Anyway, my take on it is that teams are more tactically aware and have better defenders in recent years, only the very top teams have good defenders before.
 
To be fair thats a decent pick, someone was going to have to do it eventually.
 
Cling Bak said:
Ok, I don't want to offend people or get into a big debate, it is after all different people's opinions, but I was surprised - even though these are all quality players - at how early the following came out:

Bruce, McGrath, Evra, Andy Cole, Solskjaer.

And whilst he may have been needed by someone eventually, I was surprised anyone - particularly at this stage - wanted David Batty!

Just my opinion, but then I am one of the one's voting.
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I agree with you that some of those choices are very surprising.
 
Just to clarify, the finished teams will be voted on by all the other posters?

And this is just based on Premier league form (lots of people are listing awards/trophies won internationally and in other leagues so may not know this)?
 
1) SharkyMcShark: Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce
2) R.Nilsson7: Henry, Makelele, G. Neville
3) The Law of Denis: Shearer, McGrath, Ince
4) esmufc09: Cantona, Adams, Carrick
5) Ace: Ruud, Le Tissier, Campbell
6) Solius: Giggs, Irwin, Seaman
7) Erics Collar: Keane, Vidic, Yorke
8) M13 Red: Bergkamp, Lampard, Torres, Reina
9) roodboy: Scholes, Owen, Terry, Klinnsmann
10) Cal?: C.Ronaldo, VDS, Essien, Sheringham
11) Smash-E: Cech, Gerrard, Hughes, Carragher
12) Danish Voice: Evra, Andy Cole, Carvalho, Alonso
13) SirAF: Ferdinand, Beckham, Wright, Cahill
14) Fort Boyard: Vieira, Fabregas, Pires, Kanchelskis
15) Vinay: Ole, Stam, Batty, Drogba
16) Melvin Yeo: Rooney, Zola, Ginola, Desailly
 
HsJ said:
Sorry if I spoilt anyones ideas. There was no intention to!
I like this idea though, would have been cool to be involved! Sadly I was still a newb when this was created!
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It took you two an a half years to gain promotion?
 
Cling Bak said:
Ok, I don't want to offend people or get into a big debate, it is after all different people's opinions, but I was surprised - even though these are all quality players - at how early the following came out:

Bruce, McGrath, Evra, Andy Cole, Solskjaer.

And whilst he may have been needed by someone eventually, I was surprised anyone - particularly at this stage - wanted David Batty!

Just my opinion, but then I am one of the one's voting.
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Offending people and getting into big debates is exactly what I like to see :D

I was also suprised to see Evra and Ole in the first round of picks - both good players but nowhere near the best 16 players to ever play in the Prem (Ole was not even a regular starter for most of his career)- but then I suppose this is a United site after all and both are cult figures for us.
McGrath was a random one but he was Player of the Year in the first season of the Prem so I do see the logic.

The less said about Batty the better :)

Cal? said:
Well, Ronaldo is the only one who's ever won World Footballer of the Year playing in the Premiership, so he's supposed to be better than all those. :smirk:

*hint* I've Ronaldo in my team. :lol:
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:nono: Michael Owen won the Ballon D'or in 2001.

*hint* I've Owen in my team :p
 
Some of you on here don't seem to have ever watched David Batty play. That's the only thing I can say of those who rate him as you do...

Seriously, I rate David Batty every bit as good as Paul Ince. We, at United, never really needed to get such a player with the likes of Keane and Ince in the first team and Butt waiting in the offing. It would have been overcrowding a department we never really suffered in in those early Premiership years.

But, had we not had Ince in our squad, I could see SAF trying to get either of him or David Batty to complete our midfield with Keane. Of course, that's speculation, but, one that I feel strongly about.

SAF would have done a great job to even further help David Batty channel his aggressive and selfless energy in positive ways.

There have been, to my estimation, extremely few players in Premiership history who could selflessly work for 95 minutes at 120% for the sake of the team other than David Batty. And you don't get voted to the Premiership teams of the year three times in the times of the likes of Keane, Ince by being anything near the mediocrity some of you are making others think David Batty can be considered at. He's very far from that. Anyway, I can understand the hatred and the lack of recognition he gets on here.

Severely under-rated.
 
Vinay said:
Some of you on here don't seem to have ever watched David Batty play. That's the only thing I can say of those who rate him as you do...

Seriously, I rate David Batty every bit as good as Paul Ince. We, at United, never really needed to get such a player with the likes of Keane and Ince in the first team and Butt waiting in the offing. It would have been overcrowding a department we never really suffered in in those early Premiership years.

But, had we not had Ince in our squad, I could see SAF trying to get either of him or David Batty to complete our midfield with Keane. Of course, that's speculation, but, one that I feel strongly about.

SAF would have done a great job to even further help David Batty channel his aggressive and selfless energy in positive ways.

There have been, to my estimation, extremely few players in Premiership history who could selflessly work for 95 minutes at 120% for the sake of the team than David Batty. And you don't get voted to the Premiership teams of the year three times in the times of the likes of Keane, Ince by being anything near the mediocrity some of you are making others think David Batty can be considered at. He's very far from that. Anyway, I can understand the hatred and the lack of recognition he gets on here.

Severely under-rated.
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Getting a bit defensive here? Personally I considered Batty, but just not as early as you picked him...
 
Cal? said:
Getting a bit defensive here? Personally I considered Batty, but just not as early as you picked him...
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No, not defensive, Cal. Just trying to get the biased blinkers off of some caftards.

But, anyway, about picking him, it's all about priorities, mate... I was eyeing that holding midfield role at that pick and I just thought with the others having gone that Batty was the one I wanted then... This kind of player has been a must in all the teams that have been at the top of the Premiership summits...
 
Ace said:
How about United over the last three seasons?
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That's the only exception. But, for that you need to have, I feel Michael Carrick in your side. He's the one who "filled the gap" in midfield for us.

The championship winning Arsenal sides had Vieira.

Chelsea had Makelele and Essien.
 
M13_RED said:
And the Chelsea ones. Oh, and the Arsenal ones.
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Is it a humongous mystery that Arsenal last and this season and Chelsea this season are showing signs of coming short because they are short of talent in this department (Essien being injured for most of the season for Chelsea)?
 
M13_RED said:
You're too easy to wind up over this game, Vinay.
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The wind ups I don't mind the least bit - on the contrary laughing around is great.

But, brainwashing, biased arguments are not in the same category at all.

M13_RED said:
Batty has retired, hasn't he? So it's irrelevant, really.
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:confused: Again you confuse me with your argument there...

Batty, by the way, was bit-part of the 1995 Blackburn Premier League winning side. And he was part of the Newcastle side that looked like Champions so early in 1996 until they fell apart, epitomised by the cracking of their manager.

Batty'd have easily landed in one of either United or Arsenal, I feel, if:

  1. We didn't have Ince and Butt in the offing.
  2. Arsenal had a policy to recruit English at the time Vieira was recruited.
 
1) SharkyMcShark: Schmeichel, Pallister, Bruce
2) R.Nilsson7: Henry, Makelele, G. Neville
3) The Law of Denis: Shearer, McGrath, Ince
4) esmufc09: Cantona, Adams, Carrick
5) Ace: Ruud, Le Tissier, Campbell
6) Solius: Giggs, Irwin, Seaman
7) Erics Collar: Keane, Vidic, Yorke, Robben
8) M13 Red: Bergkamp, Lampard, Torres, Reina
9) roodboy: Scholes, Owen, Terry, Klinnsmann
10) Cal?: C.Ronaldo, VDS, Essien, Sheringham
11) Smash-E: Cech, Gerrard, Hughes, Carragher
12) Danish Voice: Evra, Andy Cole, Carvalho, Alonso
13) SirAF: Ferdinand, Beckham, Wright, Cahill
14) Fort Boyard: Vieira, Fabregas, Pires, Kanchelskis
15) Vinay: Ole, Stam, Batty, Drogba
16) Melvin Yeo: Rooney, Zola, Ginola, Desailly


I was actually seriously thinking of having a trade round after round 16, where each person can put forward up to three players they would be interested in trading, and leave a thread open for say 2-3 days and any deals can be agreed upon within that period. I probably will do that, but lets just get the 16 rounds out of the way first, its moving at a decent rate so far.
 
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