Van Persie is better than Cavani (who will move to Real Madrid or one of the English clubs).
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Van Persie is better than Cavani (who will move to Real Madrid or one of the English clubs).
Very pleased. Thought he was nailed on for Chelsea.
People are allowed their own opinions, and to be honest I think Cavani is better, and more complete than van Persie is. 3 seasons in a row now he's had a combined goals and assists record of over 40, and he's still only 26. He is the best complete striker out there for me: I've seen a good amount of games he's played in, and he doesn't just bully defenders, he makes them wish they didn't step onto the pitch. He hasn't even hit his max potential yet, and along van Persie and Falcao we have the 3 best strikers in the world on current form. If he were to end up at City and Chelsea, and after a season of playing for them I really believe you will think twice about that statement.
As much as I rate Cavani, I don't think that he'd make as big an impact on Chelsea or City, as RVP made on us. He's only 26 though and has still to hit his peak.
You could be right there. Falcao would have. People say it all the time about Chelsea's young loanees (Lukaku, for example), but Falcao is actually the closest thing I've seen to Drogba since Drogba. Incredibly powerful, fast, but also superbly skilful. The complete striker.
He's signed for Monaco!
Didn't see this coming if i'm honest, thought he would end up at City.
Didn't see this coming if i'm honest, thought he would end up at City.
Of course we don't know anything about what's going on behind the scenes, but on balance of probability, do you think City/Chelsea did engage in a bidding war with Monaco for Falcao? I would say yes, at least City might have.
Very good signing!
I'm glad that he hasn't joined any of our league rivals.
I'm not sure what else to say about this transfer though, I'm sure it's a nice place to live...
I'm not sure what else to say about this transfer though, I'm sure it's a nice place to live...
The disbelief I've seen from Chelsea fans that a top player is going to a club who aren't all that for money is ridiculously hypocritical.
Not really. Monaco are not in Europe and there's no certainty they will be next season, have just been promoted from the second division and they are hashing a team together randomly, and have an average manager. Many teams have started getting sugar daddies, and buying every single 'star' before crashing and burning when it suddenly works out you need more than just that. France only has 3 CL spots and they currently have Lyon, Marseille and PSG to contend with, there's no instant assurance they can overtake them.
As opposed to Chelsea who were in the Champions league, finished second in their league and had just appointed a world class manager, having ironically just finished with the one Monaco currently have. Theres a world of difference, and its proven by the fact Falcao has said Monaco wasnt his choice. I feel sorry for him, he could have joined any of United, City, Chelsea, Barca, Real, Juventus, Milans, Munich, and has ended up with a risky move that surely is purely money and agent related.
Since you don't have much 'history' it would be useful to remember it properly. Abramovic took over in summer 2003 when you were bankrupt and had finished 4th in the league with Ranieri.
I presume our good man Successful has made his generous donation to the Caf?
Let's say a donation of £50 to the caf
Your own medicine tastes bitter sometimes. Good players were(are) turning down far more successful clubs for Romans cash. Suck it up.
Why would he make such an assured bet that he wouldn't go for over 40 mil, when his realease clause is over that, every paper has repeatedly reported over 40 mil were being offered by every club interested for months and months, and he's one of the best strikers in the world? Hope that £50 goes to a good cause in the caf.
Hope Real gets Cavani, and Bayern get Lewandowski now.
Why the hell would one feel sorry for a grown man, and a supposedly intelligent one, who should be able to make his own decisions. If he was stuck to this deal than he should have avoided that situation from the start. Thing is, many players allow themselves to be dragged into restrictive contract clauses, at the exchange of better wages and other contract conditions.
If he's not happy he should have thought about it before signing whatever contract put him into this situation. He's being transferred sideways for years. He should have jumped from Porto into a top-5 European club, no one put a gun into his head. 6 games in the CL in 4 seasons... Impressive.
If he's not happy he should have thought about it before signing whatever contract put him into this situation. He's being transferred sideways for years. He should have jumped from Porto into a top-5 European club, no one put a gun into his head. 6 games in the CL in 4 seasons... Impressive.
True. But Monaco may never play European football.
FFP starts in 2014, and Monaco will be the orbital radius of Jupiter beyond its limits.
Undisclosed fee? I don't see any money being reported. Are we going to let newspapers and rumors call this one?
https://www.redcafe.net/f64/falcao-...-goodwill-meets-half-way-372033/#post13578842
Incredible scenes, moaning about a player moving for money!
You weren't finishing 2nd before the Abramhovic Gravy train came your way!
Chelsea fans have no grounds at all to argue about players moving for money, no grounds whatsoever. They are the first of the sugar daddy era, and went through the exact same phase as Monaco did, but now they've been established they can sit back and judge.
Tbf milan and real are basically sugar daddies. Real always have been, Milan had alot of history though.
Blackburn were the first "sugar daddy" team I can remember in England.
You arent getting the point, how clear does it need to be made?
When Chelsea started attracting big money players and we sucked up some of the stars we were
1- in The CL
2- already finishing very high in the league ( and to allude to Pete, this is what I meant. 2004/05 was the first season we really laid into the market for the players hence why I said we had finished second the previous year).
3- had a world class manager.
4-relatively stable as a team.
So in that respect there were other reasons to come to Chelsea besides purely the money.
Monaco is a totally different prospect in that they are in Europe, have only just been promoted and there are no guarantees the team would gel. I wouldnt have minded had he gone to United,City, Real,Barca, Munich, or even if he had to go to ligue 1, PSG. Falcao has pretty much admitted Monaco wasnt his first choice anyway, so this appears to be agent related.
It was purely because of money. You wouldn't have Mourinho if not for the money. You wouldn't be able to attract players without the money. Players came because they knew they would get a fat paycheck along with other players joining that would also get a fat pay check.
The Monaco situation and Chelsea situation is no different at all besides the strength of the league they play in. Monaco made the final of the CL in the last decade without a sugar daddy. They even beat the pre-Abramovich Chelsea side.
The Monaco situation and Chelsea situation is no different at all besides the strength of the league they play in. Monaco made the final of the CL in the last decade without a sugar daddy. They even beat the pre-Abramovich Chelsea side.
Money was the central factor to drawing any big name player to Chelsea circa 2003. It's a mix of denial and delusion to claim otherwise.
What phase? When we were in division 2 and without European football?
How many titles and trophies did you win before the money came in? More than Monaco have done?
I also think you forget what sort of place Monaco is too, it's not exactly a place to slum it out. Pretty much one of the nicest places to live in the world
Are you kidding? You spent £150m on transfers the first Summer after Abramovich got there (including Crespo, Mutu, Veron, Makelele and Duff)
Didn't Chelsea spend £100m in the first summer that Abrohamovic took over? I'm sure he spent £200m in the first couple of years. Yeah a bit hypocritical for any Chelsea fan to say anything about Monaco really, just because they were in Europe doesn't mean that they are above them really when you consider things. It wasn't just the high wages but the high transfer fees for above average players.
It's not really that important, winning trophies in France is less meaningful than winning trophies in England. No one would even contemplate moving to Marseille ahead of Spurs and they have shitloads more titles and trophies I bet.
They spent £150m the first Summer and about the same next year, difference being they signed mostly crap players the first time and almost exclusively very good players second time round (Cech, Robben, Carvalho, Drogba, basically most of the core of the title winning side).
That's bullshit. Hernan Crespo grew up playing footy on the streets of Buenos Aires dreaming of playing alongside Paul Furlong and it's widely known that Makalele modelled his game on his childhood hero, Eddie Newton.
duffer's a hero
Ok lets put this scenrario across.
You are a player who supports United, really wants to play for United, and loves who and what they are. They offer you 50k a week.
Chelsea offer you 80k a week, and you instantly would join them because of the extra 30k?
I understand players moving to financially stable clubs because of the money, but to say 'all the players that joined Chelsea post 2003 joining purely for the money' is total delusion.
Imagine you are working for a company you love, and a rival company offers you a pay increase of 30p, are you going to go to them because of the extra 30p? Because lets face it, to a footballer thats the equivalent or possible less when comparing it to a basic job these days.
Players are set for life whether they join Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Monaco, Ateletico, Spurs, City, or any club in the top league in the top countries, so why wouldnt they join the club they actually want to join? Answer now seems to be agents.
If you cant understand the difference between players joining Monaco like Falcao has and players joining Chelsea in 2003/2004 then theres something wrong with you.
You are a player who supports United, really wants to play for United, and loves who and what they are. They offer you 50k a week.
Chelsea offer you 80k a week, and you instantly would join them because of the extra 30k?
I understand players moving to financially stable clubs because of the money, but to say 'all the players that joined Chelsea post 2003 joining purely for the money' is total delusion.
Imagine you are working for a company you love, and a rival company offers you a pay increase of 30p, are you going to go to them because of the extra 30p? Because lets face it, to a footballer thats the equivalent or possible less when comparing it to a basic job these days.
Players are set for life whether they join Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Monaco, Ateletico, Spurs, City, or any club in the top league in the top countries, so why wouldnt they join the club they actually want to join? Answer now seems to be agents.
If you cant understand the difference between players joining Monaco like Falcao has and players joining Chelsea in 2003/2004 then theres something wrong with you.
Winning the amount of trophies that Monaco and Chelsea did prior to gaining money is irrelevant is what I was trying to get at. I think winning trophies is important no matter how you look at it.
Basically if FFP was in place when Abrohamovic took over then they would have either not made the signings they did or they wouldn't have been allowed in Europe. And with the premier league rules kicking in, they would have had points deducted.
These scenarios aren't applicable. They are very very rare in football. I can't even think of an example off the top of my head.
30k more per week is 1,5 million more per year. That's a lot. I would assume various bonuses would be higher as well and when it's time to sign another contract the prospect of getting more money would also be exponentially higher.
We're not saying that there isn't a difference at all. We're telling you that in both cases it's all to do with the money. Without the money these scenarios wouldn't exist.
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