Real Madrid have won more CL(15) than Bayern(6), Barça (5) and Man United(3) combined (14)
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Can even add Arsenal.
They won 5 of them when about 6 teams fought for the trophy though.
Okay - remove those and they're still far ahead of the next most successful club.
And PSG
And Tottenham.
They won the first 5 and then 6 of the last 11. Take those 11 away and it's a mediocre record. lol
Vinícius Jr. is probably the best player in the world.
(...) the worst username on here?
Per Mertesacker played ten times at Wembley during his career and won em all.
Dunno if that was an ironic post but... 4 titles is still quite a lot.
All teams that have won many CLs won a few in a brief period of time, that's how you win many.
And Accrington Stanley
“Who are they?”
Exactly!
It was. It's a great record.
AC Milan won Serie A in 93/94 by scoring just 36 goals and conceding 15.
Looked at the table, if Juventus had won just one more game they'd have been champions.
Matt O'Riley has an Irish surname and plays for Celtic but is English and representing Denmark at the Euros having also been eligible for Norway but not Ireland.
This means we have a chance of being champions next season! A near zero chance, slightly lower than being abducted by aliens, but a chance none the less.
Think it was 2 points for a win back then, 36 goals scored, 19 wins (nine 1-0 wins) 12 draws (8 or 9 0-0) draws, 36 goals and 50 pts from 34 games to win the league seems outrageous.
What the feck?
Have you heard about Liverpool? They were 11mm away from winning a centurion, invincible, PL and CL double mate.
Yes, it was 2 points a win. They'd have won it with one more specific win I suppose, if they'd have beaten AC Milan at home instead of losing to them. We could say that with quite a few title races though! A 4 point swing back then, now 6 points with 3 for a win.
Giving them a random extra 3 points wouldn't even have been enough as Italy uses head to head rather than goal difference as the first tiebreaker. That defeat vs AC Milan (drew the other game) would have still cost them.
It might have secured them a playoff, I don't know what the rules were that season. For deciding the Champions it's often been a rule in Italy that teams play a one off game against each other to decide the final placing if tied on points. At one point they'd have playoffs for relegation and European places too if tied on points. Head to head, goal difference etc. didn't matter. Not sure if that was the rule that particular season. I think the rule was dropped for a while but came back again a couple of seasons ago.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...decide-scudetto-winner-playoff-case-tie-table
In 1963/64 Bologna won Serie A in the only playoff game that has decided a title. They had a worse head to head vs. Inter if that had counted. Sampdoria stayed up in a playoff vs. Modena the same season.
It's quite an epic way to decide outcomes. Imagine us in a title playoff vs City in 11/12. We'd potentially have had another one against them 15/16 to decide the last Champions League place too.
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Worth remembering that they haven't always been the best 2 teams in Scotland in that time period.
Rangers had 4 seasons out of the top-flight following their financial misdeeds and when they came back finished 3rd twice, losing 19 league games across those 2 campaigns.
We had Sir Alex disrupting things at Aberdeen in the 1980s too, and Dundee United won the title in 82/83. Between 1979/80 (the first year mentioned), and 94/95 there was only 1 season with an old firm 1-2. Both Celtic and Rangers finished as low as 5th in that time.
It was 95/96 when things changed. Top 2 for 16 out of 17 seasons with Hearts coming 2nd once, didn't they have an Eastern European backer who started well but practically bankrupted them? Rangers then got demoted and just recently they've both been top 2 again for 6 years now.
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His mum is Danish so that's how he qualifies, presumably somewhere in the family they're Norwegian on that side too hence being able to play for Norway.
No idea how he's not eligible to play for Ireland though, despite being English you'd expect there to be family history over there with a surname like that.
Proper strange.
Thomas Delaney and Martin Braithwaite both being English/Irish surnamed players playing for/having played for Denmark too. Delaney could play for the US through his grandad but also has Irish roots and Braithwaite has a Guyanese dad - presumably if you go far back enough you get some English heritage to explain the surname - although apparently it's an Old Norse name so maybe just goes back to Danish/Scandi/Viking/etc?
That’s utterly insane.
Inter made the three worst swap deals in the history of football between 2001 and 2004.
In 2001 they swapped Andrea Pirlo for Andres "Guly" Guglielminpietro with Milan.
In 2002 they swapped Clarence Seedorf for Francesco Coco with Milan.
In 2004 they swapped Fabio Cannavaro for a reserve goalkeeper Fabian Carini with Juventus.
No money was involved in these swap deals. Those players were considered of equal value.
Moratti got duped big time with these deals.
Imagine how good Inter would have been had they not made these three absolutely baffling decisions.
In 2001 they swapped Andrea Pirlo for Andres "Guly" Guglielminpietro with Milan.
In 2002 they swapped Clarence Seedorf for Francesco Coco with Milan.
In 2004 they swapped Fabio Cannavaro for a reserve goalkeeper Fabian Carini with Juventus.
No money was involved in these swap deals. Those players were considered of equal value.
Moratti got duped big time with these deals.
Imagine how good Inter would have been had they not made these three absolutely baffling decisions.
Possibly made the best too, getting Eto'o for Ibrahimovic
tbf you could argue the last one (Cannavaro 2004) didn't have much consequence.
Inter won all Serie A titles from 2006 to 2010 (on or off the pitch) except 2005 which has no official winner. Cannavaro was 30 when he moved to Juventus and was well past his best at Real Madrid (two seasons later). He left top level football in 2010, the year Inter won the treble.
Inter won all Serie A titles from 2006 to 2010 (on or off the pitch) except 2005 which has no official winner. Cannavaro was 30 when he moved to Juventus and was well past his best at Real Madrid (two seasons later). He left top level football in 2010, the year Inter won the treble.
How about this one:
Jose Antonio Camacho has been given the job of Real Madrid manager two separate times. He has only managed the club for three league games.
Jose Antonio Camacho has been given the job of Real Madrid manager two separate times. He has only managed the club for three league games.
What are you talking about?
Cannavaro had two amazing years for Juve in 2004/05 and 2005/06, won the World Cup in 2006 and the Ballon d'Or that same year. Juve got the best years out of Cannavaro and then sold him for profit.
Meanwhile Fabian Carini played exactly 4 games for Inter and moved on for free in 2007.
It was a horrible swap. The worst was the demoralizing effect it had on Inter fans and Inter as a club. Imagine seeing Cannavaro in beast mode winning Serie A for your biggest rivals two years straight and then the Materazzi-Cannavaro CB partnership absolutely tearing the WC apart, thinking "this should have been our CB duo".
At the very least Inter would have been better off selling Cannavaro and getting the 10 million they valued him at then giving him to their biggest rivals in exchange for a reserve goalkeeper they didn't even need (they had prime Toldo at the time and 2 quality reserve goalkeepers already).
Also the circumstances around the Cannavaro-Carini swap were very shady, with Cannavaro supposedly faking injuries and playing bad on purpose while at Inter in an attempt to reduce his price to move to Juve, as he allegedly had a secret deal with Moggi in place. So Moratti actually thought he was getting one over on Juve by giving them and injured player, but in reality he got DUPED.
At least this is what Inter fans accuse Cannavaro of. For Inter fans Fabio Cannavaro is simply known as "uomo di merda".
I am talking about what I said on the post.
In a normal context the swap is very bad. But the context was not normal. The actual context is that Juventus were stripped of their titles and relegated and Inter were given a free run at Serie A for the rest of the decade, culminating in a treble.
In a normal context the swap is very bad. But the context was not normal. The actual context is that Juventus were stripped of their titles and relegated and Inter were given a free run at Serie A for the rest of the decade, culminating in a treble.
You're looking at it wrong. It was 2 points per win, plus Milan had the tie breaker. They pretty much dominated the league from start to finish, won it effectively with a month to spare and mathematically with 2 games in hand. They also spanked Barcelona 4-0 in Athens to complete the only League/CL double of their history.
Needless to say, they set a record for consecutive minutes without conceding a goal(929 minutes) that lasted until Juventus broke it in 2015/16
It was basically impossible to score on them, and up top they had "Provvidenza" taking care of things
You mentioned yourself the context of the Cannavaro deal. (For the less informed, Juventus had form doing this kind of thing - Moggi locking Miccoli on the team bus and then forcing him to apologize while threatening his career, locking a ref in his dressing room, etc -, and the biggest competitive advantage they gained not so much from corrupting refs and officials, but through the players agency that controlled over 50% of the italian transfer market, and owned by Davide Lippi and Alessandro Moggi). As for the other two, Pirlo and Seedorf had underwhelmed at Inter so it was a case of cooking the books through inflated valuations - like the Pjanic-Arthur deal from a few years ago, which was common pratice in Italian football at the time and got several clubs, including Inter, at serious risk of penalization(iirc a couple clubs did get burned over this).
Mind you, they were still absolutely terrible deals. That was the Moratti banter era, culminating in the 5th of May
This is not the context. Juventus were stripped of their titles 2 years later and the Inter treble happened 6 years later.
You seem to not understand what the word "context" means.
Let me help you:
context
/ˈkɒntɛkst/
noun
noun: context; plural noun: contexts
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.
To make it even more clear to you, context refers to the setting that preceded the event not what happened years later.
Juve being stripped of the title 2 years later is completely irrelevant as this had nothing to do with the Cannavaro swap deal. It also didn't magically erase the traumatic memories of Inter fans having to watch Juve dominate with Cannavaro. Also there is not a single Juventus fan out there that doesn't count the titles that they won in 2005 and 2006 as actual titles, so stripping Juve of titles had zero effect on anything. The Juve fans celebrated them and still have fond memories of that period. Inter have traumatic memory of that period and would have preferred to have won those titles on the pitch, instead of being given a paper title which gets consistently ridiculed. Had they kept Cannavaro, they might have won more during that period. Instead they gave that player to their biggest rivals basically for free, and watched these rivals dominate.
Also Cannavaro lifted the WC as captain of Italy while being a Juventus player, which is a huge honor for the club and something very important for them.
I don't even know why I'm explaining all of this to you, as you probably didn't even watch football back then, otherwise you would know the actual context.
Mind you, they were still absolutely terrible deals. That was the Moratti banter era, culminating in the 5th of May
Moratti was a total dupe at the time, there were so many flops in those Inter teams. I still remember Andy van der Meyde, Vratislav Greško, Karagounis, Dalmat etc. getting considerable minutes at Inter and being terrible. Also they bought a bunch of random south American flops every season like Gonzalo Sorondo. Vieri was keeping that team alive and they had the luxury of seeing prime Adriano for a season and a half. But this was pretty much it.
I think that that banter era only really started with 5th of May. From 2001 to 2006 Inter had absolutely terrible seasons. I love how people now act like Juve losing those titles somehow redeems Inter from 2004-06, but it doesn't change the fact that Inter fans suffered during that time and it didn't look like they would win anything any time soon. If Calciopoli didn't happen, I don't even see how they win one title in the 00s. They were also terrible in many of their titles wins, even that Mourinho treble team barely won the league against a mediocre Roma team.
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Mmm, honestly Italian football so fecking corrupt top to bottom that it's hard to tell who would have won what had things been on the up and up
My take is those two calciopoli titles would have gone to Milan(who did actually fininsh 2nd both seasons and were the best team in the country), Inter wins the '98 one(AKA juventus centenary or Where It All Started), Juventus probably actually win the title in '00, maybe '01 as well(less convinced but they did change the rules midway through the season to help Roma), Inter win in '02, while '03 and '04 the winners were just heads above the rest
Agree that calciopoli - which had it not been rushed, would also seen Inter punished - essentially was the main drive behind inter's subsequent 4 titles
My take is those two calciopoli titles would have gone to Milan(who did actually fininsh 2nd both seasons and were the best team in the country), Inter wins the '98 one(AKA juventus centenary or Where It All Started), Juventus probably actually win the title in '00, maybe '01 as well(less convinced but they did change the rules midway through the season to help Roma), Inter win in '02, while '03 and '04 the winners were just heads above the rest
Agree that calciopoli - which had it not been rushed, would also seen Inter punished - essentially was the main drive behind inter's subsequent 4 titles
You seem to not understand how to post without being incredibly aggressive and confrontational for no apparent reason.
There’s really no need to be so aggressively condescending. If you don’t agree with the post, criticize the post, not the poster.
If it's a serious point, it's certainly an odd one.
If you take the five year coefficient scoring as a metric, only Real Madrid's 1966 title would stand in isolation with no other wins included in the same period at some point (which is mad, considering they've won 15).
In fact, of the 13 sides to have won it more than once, only Manchester United (1968, 1999, 2008), Juventus (1985, 1996), Chelsea (2012, 2021) and Porto (1987, 2004) are the only sides to not have any titles 'count' in the same coefficient period.
jesus christ who shat in your shreddies this morning