Facebook, Amazon etc....

Mike Schatner said:
Not allowing phones is dehumanizing :lol:. Lots of work places do not allow phones.

The cell phone ban introduced after phones had been switched out and stolen. Cell phones don't tend to work in the facilities anyway. They are predominantly metal structures that block cell signals.
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Why you so defensive about it? I wasn't solely referring to that when I said it sounds like a dehumanising place to work.
A few people taking stuff shouldn't mean everyone needs to spend (what I assume is) their free time being checked though. It's one of the richest companies in the world. Check people if you suspect something.
 
VeevaVee said:
Why you so defensive about it? I wasn't solely referring to that when I said it sounds like a dehumanising place to work.
A few people taking stuff shouldn't mean everyone needs to spend (what I assume is) their free time being checked though. It's one of the richest companies in the world. Check people if you suspect something.
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they actually do check people. they force them to wait in line to be checked and don't pay them for their time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...houses-wont-be-paid-to-wait-in-security-lines

jeff bezos has a house with 25 bathrooms and his workers piss in bottles in order to keep pace and not get fired. hes a HUUUUUUUGE piece of shit
 
VeevaVee said:
Why you so defensive about it? I wasn't solely referring to that when I said it sounds like a dehumanising place to work.

A few people taking stuff shouldn't mean everyone needs to spend (what I assume is) their free time being checked though. It's one of the richest companies in the world. Check people if you suspect something.
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I think the glassdoor reviews are a far better barometer of what its really like to work at Amazon that a few tweets or articles.

Amazon generally pay $3 a hour above market rate and also provide very good affordable healthcare, which is unusual for that type of job. In fact rumors are next years healthcare will be practically free. Full time staff also get Amazon stock, which can be worth $2k plus per year.
 
Mike Schatner said:
I think the glassdoor reviews are a far better barometer of what its really like to work at Amazon that a few tweets or articles.

Amazon generally pay $3 a hour above market rate and also provide very good affordable healthcare, which is unusual for that type of job. In fact rumors are next years healthcare will be practically free. Full time staff also get Amazon stock, which can be worth $2k plus per year.
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Wow...free healthcare. Can't beat that.
 
Mike Schatner said:
The existing plans are pretty decent. I have all the docs from when my son started and the premiums are $60 a month, $300 copay, $1500 maximum out of pocket.

Rumors are they are reducing the healthcare cost to employees significantly next enrollment period.
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$60 a month is pretty damn good.
 
Eboue said:
they actually do check people. they force them to wait in line to be checked and don't pay them for their time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...houses-wont-be-paid-to-wait-in-security-lines

jeff bezos has a house with 25 bathrooms and his workers piss in bottles in order to keep pace and not get fired. hes a HUUUUUUUGE piece of shit
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Welcome to warehouse work. It was the same about 15 years ago when I last worked in one. Fact is the low paid/agency workers that do these jobs are more likely to steal stuff from their employers, and even back then you were tracked and only got paid when you were actually working on the warehouse floor. You were given computer generated pick sheets that were supposed to take a set time and if you fell behind... well I went back to uni after 2 weeks so I never found out what happened if you fell behind, but it wasn't likely to be good.

It won't be a problem for much longer anyway. Soon robots will be doing this kind of work in its entirety.
 
11101 said:
Welcome to warehouse work. It was the same about 15 years ago when I last worked in one. Fact is the low paid/agency workers that do these jobs are more likely to steal stuff from their employers, and even back then you were tracked and only got paid when you were actually working on the warehouse floor. You were given computer generated pick sheets that were supposed to take a set time and if you fell behind... well I went back to uni after 2 weeks so I never found out what happened if you fell behind, but it wasn't likely to be good.

It won't be a problem for much longer anyway. Soon robots will be doing this kind of work in its entirety.
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Last month, the Seattle City Council unanimously approved the so-called head tax, which would have required that large corporations like Amazon and Starbucks pay an annual tax of $275 for each of its full-time employees. This dollar amount was itself a compromise—down from the originally proposed $500—in response to mounting pressure from Amazon, which again, is valued at $768 billion and owned by the richest man alive. The tax would have raised an estimated $48 million each year to help fund affordable housing and homelessness services. King County, which includes Seattle, has the third-highest number of people experiencing homelessness in the United States. The consequences have been deadly.
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But Amazon fought the tax, and, as tends to happen when massive corporations extort cities, it seems to have won.

A statement to the Associated Press from Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan and members of the council said it was “clear that the ordinance will lead to a prolonged, expensive political fight over the next five months that will do nothing to tackle our urgent housing and homelessness crisis.” And so they would go ahead with a repeal vote, which is expected to take place on Tuesday.
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In January of 2016, while the average temperature hovered just above freezing, volunteers counted 4,505 people sleeping outside in King County. That same year, Bezos sold 1 percent of his stake in Amazon. It got him $671 million.
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feck jeff bezos
 
Eboue said:


feck jeff bezos
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I think that's a bit harsh. Firstly the bulk of Bezos' stock sale is going towards his space exploration company, Blue Origin, which is loss making and costs Bezos up to around a $1b a year (based on news reports). And whilst we should all be mindful of societal issues, things like homelessness and affordable housing should primarily be a governmental concern. I know a lot of people would disagree, but I think it's harsh to tax big companies that happened to be based in Seattle purely, it creates an uneven playing field between companies based there and those not, and imo long-term would make the City less attractive as place to hire in for them.

That said I am against both Amazon's and Starbuck's practises in other countries e.g. the UK and most of the EU where they pay minimal amounts of tax despite making billions in sales here. Legal for them to do but scummy.
 
marktan said:
I think that's a bit harsh. Firstly the bulk of Bezos' stock sale is going towards his space exploration company, Blue Origin, which is loss making and costs Bezos up to around a $1b a year (based on news reports). And whilst we should all be mindful of societal issues, things like homelessness and affordable housing should primarily be a governmental concern. I know a lot of people would disagree, but I think it's harsh to tax big companies that happened to be based in Seattle purely, it creates an uneven playing field between companies based there and those not, and imo long-term would make the City less attractive as place to hire in for them.

That said I am against both Amazon's and Starbuck's practises in other countries e.g. the UK and most of the EU where they pay minimal amounts of tax despite making billions in sales here. Legal for them to do but scummy.
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yes and the government is attempting to rectify them by raising revenue and dedicating it towards alleviating some of those problems. and jeff bezos and his company prevented that.
 
Eboue said:
yes and the government is attempting to rectify them by raising revenue and dedicating it towards alleviating some of those problems. and jeff bezos and his company prevented that.
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How much do they already make in tax revenues? They could use some of that money surely? A fairer way to do it is to raise the tax revenue for everyone, because proportionally the larger companies would end up paying more. I think just the way they went about it specifically targeting certain companies is the wrong way.

And targeting homelessness and lack of housing is hard to do, especially the lack of housing. You see that in London where no politician gives a rats arse about building more homes or passing laws to combat price inflation.
 
marktan said:
How much do they already make in tax revenues? They could use some of that money surely? A fairer way to do it is to raise the tax revenue for everyone, because proportionally the larger companies would end up paying more. I think just the way they went about it specifically targeting certain companies is the wrong way.

And targeting homelessness and lack of housing is hard to do, especially the lack of housing. You see that in London where no politician gives a rats arse about building more homes or passing laws to combat price inflation.
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so you are arguing for a flat tax?
 
I agree with the basic point, but Bezos couldn't really do that. An enormous portion of his wealth is in Amazon stock, it's not like he's got $141 billion in his bank account.
 
Eboue said:
its okay we can still reclaim that
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A good place to start would be for the government to actually apply what money it has today to deal with the issue. They spend a lot on defense at the moment so there's nothing to suggest that taxing people more wouldn't just result in more defense spending or spending of money on other non-social spending related projects.
 
Raoul said:
A good place to start would be for the government to actually apply what money it has today to deal with the issue. They spend a lot on defense at the moment so there's nothing to suggest that taxing people more wouldn't just result in more defense spending or spending of money on other non-social spending related projects.
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I'm glad to have your support for massively reducing military spending
 
Eboue said:
I'm glad to have your support for massively reducing military spending
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There's definitely waste there just as there is in other parts of the budget. The question is whether there is political will to spend money on social spending, which incorporates everything from healthcare to education to other social services. Right now it doesn't exist and the needle wouldn't be moved much even if the Dems take over the house and senate.
 
It's fecking sick that people like nurses work hard for over 50 hours a week and have to take a 2nd job (which they get taxed at a higher rate for) while companies and cnuts can dodge and scrimp paying billions of pounds (Or dollars) in taxes they should absolutely be forced to pay.

This imbalance is a worldwide problem and will only end in disaster for everyone.

We suffer massively here in Devon and Cornwall with these types of problems. The town 10 miles from me is now 85% 2nd homes. Not even holiday homes that are rented out. Just 2nd homes for rich city folk who use them for maybe 6-8 weeks of the year. The town has died. Lost it's rugby club, youth club, fire service so if there's a fire the service has to come from other towns over 10 miles away. The school has now resorted to shipping kids in from neighbouring towns as only 3 are local. No locals can afford the insane house prices and even if they could there are no jobs except seasonal work. Winter these coastal towns become ghost towns and just large boat storage places for all the yachts and expensive plastic pieces of shit.

Worse still, many of the people who come down to their 2nd home complain incessantly about any changes to the area and are strongly against affordable housing being built (Don't want those types) or playparks (no kids for them so not neeeded) and often can pay off people to get planning permission to do whatever the feck they want. Local shops go bust and get replaced with the same shops, cafes and stores you see everywhere so places lose their identity too.

People moan about immigration because of course that's the real problem and issue isn't it? Yet ironically many of the seasonal places only hire immigrant workers because they are all that's available or they work harder and are more reliable than many local kids who just dream of fame being on Love Island or being the next Ed Sheeran. But they have a Costa or a Starbucks and Amazon delivers next day, so everything is really ok. Fml.
 


half of Amazon’s domestic employees make less than $28,446 a year, per the company’s legal filings. Some workers have complained of getting timed six-minute bathroom breaks. Warehouse workers need to pick goods and pack boxes at closely monitored speeds, handling up to 1,000 items and walking as many as 15 miles per shift. Contractors have repeatedly complained of wage-and-hour violations and argued that the company retaliates against whistleblowers. An Amazon temp died on the floor just a few years ago.
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langster said:
It's fecking sick that people like nurses work hard for over 50 hours a week and have to take a 2nd job (which they get taxed at a higher rate for) while companies and cnuts can dodge and scrimp paying billions of pounds (Or dollars) in taxes they should absolutely be forced to pay.

This imbalance is a worldwide problem and will only end in disaster for everyone.

We suffer massively here in Devon and Cornwall with these types of problems. The town 10 miles from me is now 85% 2nd homes. Not even holiday homes that are rented out. Just 2nd homes for rich city folk who use them for maybe 6-8 weeks of the year. The town has died. Lost it's rugby club, youth club, fire service so if there's a fire the service has to come from other towns over 10 miles away. The school has now resorted to shipping kids in from neighbouring towns as only 3 are local. No locals can afford the insane house prices and even if they could there are no jobs except seasonal work. Winter these coastal towns become ghost towns and just large boat storage places for all the yachts and expensive plastic pieces of shit.

Worse still, many of the people who come down to their 2nd home complain incessantly about any changes to the area and are strongly against affordable housing being built (Don't want those types) or playparks (no kids for them so not neeeded) and often can pay off people to get planning permission to do whatever the feck they want. Local shops go bust and get replaced with the same shops, cafes and stores you see everywhere so places lose their identity too.

People moan about immigration because of course that's the real problem and issue isn't it? Yet ironically many of the seasonal places only hire immigrant workers because they are all that's available or they work harder and are more reliable than many local kids who just dream of fame being on Love Island or being the next Ed Sheeran. But they have a Costa or a Starbucks and Amazon delivers next day, so everything is really ok. Fml.
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Hate seeing towns like that die. And local businesses getting driven out by cookie cutter soulless chains that make every town the exact same as the next one over. Even Dublin is losing its personality to some degree-when I was still living there my girlfriend would come over and she wouldn't even feel like she'd left America half the time, just another city. At least it's still vibrant unlike small towns which die out. I sound like my mum now.

Hope you're doing alright mate.
 
Facebook was always about data collection sold as networking. There's no way, a platform like that with so much data was ever going to be purely about people connecting and it's value in regards to finance shows how much that information is worth to someone or some people. As for Amazon, they should pay taxes. What we see in this world is them targetting kids but no one pointing out the small amount of rich people who are compete parasites - cause they fit the description to a tee. They are parasitic by their nature and no one calls it out. It's disgusting. Either they know something we don't or they're just nuts and the answers probably in the middle. No one needs that level of money. And if it's all about influence at the expense of others then I would define that as a mental illness.
 
Nikhil said:


Amazon paid £1.7m corporation tax last year. What a joke.
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Though as they have paid all the tax they are legally required (and as a very small shareholder I would go apeshit at them if they decided to give profit away they were not obliged to... Plus of course they have a legal duty to look after my and other shareholder interests... Along with a duty to pay the required taxes which they do).

Amazon shouldn't be blamed for the fact that many countries have a totally outdated tax code which allows multinationals to effectively choose what taxes they pay where.

The ineffective lumbering dinosaur that is HMRC And the politicians who set it's priorities should be the ones with their feet to the fire...

And when that starts to look like a semi realistic option I'll be selling all my shares... As for now though I've made around 70% return on my invesent this year... So thank you Mr benzos and all your wonderful accountants as I'm going to sell enough stock to fund a nice family holiday
 
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