Fabregas to Barcelona!



RDCR07 said:
Apparently he has a 200m euro release clause in his new contract.
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Barcelona has similar amounts for all their big stars, just because they can. It's not like anyone is going to pay the release fee of an established world class star. Even City wouldn't go that far.
 
I don't get how these release clauses are put into effect. I mean do they randomly come up with a number and decide it to be the release clause or do they do some calculations and come up with it?
 
The turn out certainly wasn't great.

Maybe it was done during the wrong time but it's still strange considering Zlatan had a 70,000 plus turn out.

I think Barca fans are very concerned about what the club's finances are put into. They must be wondering why they are spending all of this money when they have an upcoming star Thiago, ready to make a name for himself.

You see Barca have 'persuit of happiness' money as things stand and the fans must be concerned, not only about if they actually need Cesc but how is the £30 million paid going to be accounted for.
 
They really don't need to buy for a long time now though.. they probably could do with a CB but that's it. Their squad is ridiculous..
 
RDCR07 said:
With him saying stuff like he is finally home, it sends a bad message to the Arsenal fans. He means it like he was held captive or something. Ronaldo never said anything like that.
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Because Ronaldo went to Real Madrid, not his home town club.
 
devilish said:
Believe it or not but Ronaldo was a gentleman. He wanted to join Real badly but he made sure that United made maximum profit out of him. The Fabregas deal reminds me alot of the Posh Becks deal a couple of years back. Becks was creating all sort of problems to SAF and since he only wanted to join Real (Bayern and Barcelona gave us better offers) we had to give him to them on their terms.

I won't be surprised if in a decade time, when his career will be at an end and he'll look fo somewhere to step in as a coach, Fabregas will be talking about his unconditional love towards Arsenal.
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I've always wondered what part he played to make sure we get that maximum profit. I know he did reassure that the club would get a good deal out of this, but I'm not sure what he could have done to make this happen. It could be that we were rather lucky that Real was in the midst of their latest "Galactico" project when it happened. I can't quite imagine us getting 80mil otherwise, probably closer to 50-60mil.
 
fatboy said:
I've always wondered what part he played to make sure we get that maximum profit. I know he did reassure that the club would get a good deal out of this, but I'm not sure what he could have done to make this happen. It could be that we were rather lucky that Real was in the midst of their latest "Galactico" project when it happened. I can't quite imagine us getting 80mil otherwise, probably closer to 50-60mil.
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If he gave transfer requests, refused to go training and kept on stating his 'eternal love' to Real then we would have been in trouble.
 
RDCR07 said:
With him saying stuff like he is finally home, it sends a bad message to the Arsenal fans. He means it like he was held captive or something. Ronaldo never said anything like that.
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Apart from claiming that he was a slave?
 
Brophs said:
Apart from claiming that he was a slave?
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Clearly stating you have returned home is worse.

It's quite amusing the rewriting of history that goes on with Ronaldo's transfer saga. For all the good things he's said since actually moving he acted up big time during the whole affair.
 
devilish said:
If he gave transfer requests, refused to go training and kept on stating his 'eternal love' to Real then we would have been in trouble.
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That is what separates the two cases IMO

Brophs said:
Apart from claiming that he was a slave?
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That quote was taken way out of context.
 
devilish said:
If he gave transfer requests, refused to go training and kept on stating his 'eternal love' to Real then we would have been in trouble.
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Fabregas went to training, Fabregas didn't gave transfer requests and both of them stated their love to Barcelona and Madrid. There's no difference, I'm a big fan of Ronaldo but this is just re-writing the history. His conduct in the beginning of 08-09 season was a disgrace.
 
R_Nick said:
Clearly stating you have returned home is worse.

It's quite amusing the rewriting of history that goes on with Ronaldo's transfer saga. For all the good things he's said since actually moving he acted up big time during the whole affair.
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Yeah, it's odd. I've warmed to him more since he's left as he's been extremely respectful and by the standards of some players his behaviour was exemplary but some of his conduct wasn't the best (mainly in the media) and to suggest otherwise is revisionism.
 
After leaving when he was 16 and 8 years away, I dont think saying he's glad to be home is Cescs biggest crime really.
 
R_Nick said:
Blatter made the initial comment and then Ronaldo said he agreed.
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True, but you're never going to find a quote of Ronaldo calling himself a slave, which is widely believed.

He could have easily been agreeing to the notion that players should be allowed to go where they want, but people interpret things how they want to fit their agendas and make big flash headlines.
 
Tbh what more could we have expected

We had him from 16 and he's given everything for us-everything.

Moving away from another country climate culture is a big deal for a young lad nomatter what business you're in and he's given 8 years

The only thing that could have swayed him to stay was if Wenger had provided him with enough balance / defensive quality in the side that would have looked like it was capable of lifting trophies at the highest level.

We know who's fault that is so....

Although it got messy at the end ( and that's hardly his fault too) I wish him all the best - he's been brilliant for us playing in a side that has never supported his talents to the full

Good luck Fabs hope you get all you dream of at Barca.
 
Jopub said:
Tbh what more could we have expected

We had him from 16 and he's given everything for us-everything.

Moving away from another country climate culture is a big deal for a young lad nomatter what business you're in and he's given 8 years

The only thing that could have swayed him to stay was if Wenger had provided him with enough balance / defensive quality in the side that would have looked like it was capable of lifting trophies at the highest level.

We know who's fault that is so....

Although it got messy at the end ( and that's hardly his fault too) I wish him all the best - he's been brilliant for us playing in a side that has never supported his talents to the full

Good luck Fabs hope you get all you dream of at Barca.
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I agree, who knows, maybe he would have even stayed on more season if Arsenal managed to win the Carling Cup last season, conbveying some sort of progression to go on to bigger things.

However, with 1 trophy in 8 years, Wenger clearly isn't matching his ambition and if this continues, even the likes of Van Persie might start thinking about a move.

Alot of this is Wenger's fault imo.
 
He was always going to be back at Barca before he was 25, I hoped we might get another year but 8's not bad.
 
Jopub said:
Tbh what more could we have expected

We had him from 16 and he's given everything for us-everything.

Moving away from another country climate culture is a big deal for a young lad nomatter what business you're in and he's given 8 years

The only thing that could have swayed him to stay was if Wenger had provided him with enough balance / defensive quality in the side that would have looked like it was capable of lifting trophies at the highest level.

We know who's fault that is so....

Although it got messy at the end ( and that's hardly his fault too) I wish him all the best - he's been brilliant for us playing in a side that has never supported his talents to the full

Good luck Fabs hope you get all you dream of at Barca.
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Which makes me wonder if Barca wasn't the totally dominant footballing force that they currently are, would Fabregas be as desperate to leave? What if they had fallen by the way side due to bad management, and were now 4th or 5th in La Liga, barely clinging on to Europe? Would his "love" for Barca run so deep then?
 
devilish said:
If he gave transfer requests, refused to go training and kept on stating his 'eternal love' to Real then we would have been in trouble.
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To be fair, Fabregas didn't hand in a transfer request nor refuse to train. His profession of love for Barca was mirrored by Ronaldo with Real, though probably in a slightly less gay manner.

I had the sense then that Ronnie was at least somewhat happy that we were going to get a good deal out of it (80 mil is nothing to sniff at), whereas Fabregas seemed unbothered by the fact that his club was clearly getting screwed over by Barca over the transfer fee.
 
tbh I don't think any succes l'arse might have had would've made any diff


He's been with them 8 years since he was 16 and that's a big chunk of your life at that age. He is looking at the success Barca are enjoying and seeing that now at 24 he doesn't want to miss out on that when they want him and he wants them. not really that unreasonable but you would have thought his advisors would've known better than to let him sign a long contract.
 
R_Nick said:
Blatter made the initial comment and then Ronaldo said he agreed.
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Blatter gave an entire interview, one sentence of which mentioned slavery. Ronaldo was then asked what he thought of what Blatter said, and he agreed with it. No reason to think it was that specific comment that he was agreeing with. I'm sure he was agreeing with the general gist.

Ronaldo did constantly keep talking about wanting to make the move, but he did also constantly say that Real had to pay the right price. Even towards the end of the saga in the first year when the Real Madrid president (or whoever it was) basically tried to threaten him by saying if he didn't make the move at that time he may never get the chance again, Cristiano kept saying Real had to pay what we wanted. Say what you will about him, but he refused to do anything to screw us over despite Real obviously wanting him to. He wanted us well reimbursed.
 
fatboy said:
Which makes me wonder if Barca wasn't the totally dominant footballing force that they currently are, would Fabregas be as desperate to leave? What if they had fallen by the way side due to bad management, and were now 4th or 5th in La Liga, barely clinging on to Europe? Would his "love" for Barca run so deep then?
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no way - Arsenal are not my favourite club but i do sympathise with them here. A sign of the times: had l'arse been successful and Barca like l'arse, I'm sure he'd've stayed.
 
fatboy said:
Which makes me wonder if Barca wasn't the totally dominant footballing force that they currently are, would Fabregas be as desperate to leave? What if they had fallen by the way side due to bad management, and were now 4th or 5th in La Liga, barely clinging on to Europe? Would his "love" for Barca run so deep then?
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Of course not. The very top players demand success. If their team can't deliver (and seem to be falling ever further away), they will force a move to a team who they think can. Plenty leave their boyhood clubs to get that success. So when it's their boyhood club actually coming for them it will make them even more desperate.
 
Boss said:
True, but you're never going to find a quote of Ronaldo calling himself a slave, which is widely believed.

He could have easily been agreeing to the notion that players should be allowed to go where they want, but people interpret things how they want to fit their agendas and make big flash headlines.
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Are you honestly trying to claim there's a massive distinction between saying "I am a slave" and

In an utterance as remarkable as any he has issued this summer, Cristiano Ronaldo declared last night that he agreed with the Fifa president Sepp Blatter's assertion that Manchester United should stop treating him like a "modern-day slave" and release him to Real Madrid.

"I agree with the statements of the president, he is right," Ronaldo said and, pressed on where he would spend next season, he reiterated the point. "You know what I said, what I want and what I would like. Let's see. I agree completely with the president of Fifa. Now I have to wait and see, but I do not know where I will begin the season."
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Ronaldo: 'I am a slave' - Transfers, Football - The Independent

I don't want to turn this into a Ronaldo bashing thread but let's not go down that horseshit road we had a few seasons ago when people were claiming every single thing he's said was somehow lost in translation and that it was all about a new contract, or whatever nonsense they were spinning. He said what he (felt he) needed to to get his move. Good luck to him.
 
Brophs said:
Are you honestly trying to claim there's a massive distinction between saying "I am a slave" and



Ronaldo: 'I am a slave' - Transfers, Football - The Independent

I don't want to turn this into a Ronaldo bashing thread but let's not go down that horseshit road we had a few seasons ago when people were claiming every single thing he's said was somehow lost in translation and that it was all about a new contract, or whatever nonsense they were spinning. He said what he (felt he) needed to to get his move. Good luck to him.
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There is a huge distinction, people constantly state that Ronaldo called himself a 'Slave' which never actually happened. Not at any point in history did those words come out of his mouth. This is a fact, not fiction.

Even the title of the article says Ronaldo: 'I'm a slave' which is a false quotation to persuade some of the easily malleable readers of such papers.

He could be completely agreeing with the notion that players should be allowed to move if they want which I have no doubts that's what he was inferring.
 
No, he was completely agreeing with Blatter's assertion that he shouldn't be treated as a modern day slave. The rest is just incidental.
 
Brophs said:
Are you honestly trying to claim there's a massive distinction between saying "I am a slave" and



Ronaldo: 'I am a slave' - Transfers, Football - The Independent

I don't want to turn this into a Ronaldo bashing thread but let's not go down that horseshit road we had a few seasons ago when people were claiming every single thing he's said was somehow lost in translation and that it was all about a new contract, or whatever nonsense they were spinning. He said what he (felt he) needed to to get his move. Good luck to him.
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Nothing was lost in translation. However, as I said just above, Blatter said quite a lot in that interview and the slave comment was just one tiny bit. That doesn't mean the rest of what he said was good - the rest was complete BS as well and it was disappointing to see Ronaldo say he agreed with it.

But Ronaldo never said it was that specific sentence that he agreed with. Despite what the media made out. It was the interview as a whole. But that one word made it sound so much more spectacular and the media lapped it all up.
 
MadDogg said:
Nothing was lost in translation. However, as I said just above, Blatter said quite a lot in that interview and the slave comment was just one tiny bit. That doesn't mean the rest of what he said was good - the rest was complete BS as well and it was disappointing to see Ronaldo say he agreed with it.

But Ronaldo never said it was that specific sentence that he agreed with. Despite what the media made out. It was the interview as a whole. But that one word made it sound so much more spectacular and the media lapped it all up.
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Ronaldo said he agreed with everything Blatter said. You're now turning that into he might have agreed with everything except the bit that related to him. Bizarre.
 
Ah, there it is. I never read about him claiming he was a slave. Fair play there, Brophs.

So getting back on track, Arsenal is not a ambitious club any more since they cannot hold their stars? Is that right Arsene?

Poor Arsenal, been royally feck over in every possible way.
 
If Ronaldo were philosophically musing on players being allowed to move when they want, but didn't think he was being treated like a slave, you would expect words like "'slave' is perhaps a bit too much, but by and large I agree with him."

I know footballers are thick, but it is not too much expect that they can string two sentences together to say what they mean.

"I agree completely with the president of Fifa" is as unequivocal as can be. Agreeing completely with the sentence "Ronaldo is a slave" is tantamount to saying it yourself.

Don't be such a fecking idiot, Boss.
 
B9 said:
If Ronaldo were philosophically musing on players being allowed to move when they want, but didn't think he was being treated like a slave, you would expect words like "'slave' is perhaps a bit too much, but by and large I agree with him."

I know footballers are thick, but it is not too much expect that they can string two sentences together to say what they mean.

"I agree completely with the president of Fifa" is as unequivocal as can be. Agreeing completely with the sentence "Ronaldo is a slave" is tantamount to saying it yourself.

Don't be such a fecking idiot, Boss.
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You certainly expect too much from these players.
 
Boss said:
Apparently Arsenal have a buy back clause for 35 million.

Very interesting indeed.
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That's right Bossy boy. We might even get him back in a few seasons time providing he can't break into that first 11.
 
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