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Fabinho is the guy I think should be the absolute top of our list, ahead of Griezmann. A top class DM will free up Herrera and Pogba in the bigger games while offering a good base to play a more offensive team against the more defensive sides in the league. I'd much rather have him that Dier and for around £35m it doesn't seem overly expensive either. He's also a very reliable pen taker which, with Zlatan injured, I don't think we have.
 
Kante won the title with Leicester, about as close to playing for Sunderland as you could get (before their sudden rise), and he was still better than Herrera. In other words, Kante has already shown he can shine in a crap team. He's more likely to sign for Real at this stage, in any event.

Football's about opinions, and I dont think it's clear cut that Herrera is better than any of PSG's midfielders; Rabiot's only 22, so is more than likely going to improve and surpass Herrera, if he hasnt already. You mention that Verratti's not had the best of seasons, but none of PSG's players have, and the finger's being pointed an Emery, who managed to blow a league title that PSG should win every year. Compare Herrera to these players last season and it's a completely different picture (eg. Krwychowiak won the Europa League with Sevilla, and was being lauded as one of Europe's finest CMs at the time).

I agree with you on Fabinho, he would change our dynamics in midfield, and free up Pogba. He was in my top three targets this summer, with Greizman and Mbappe. We need to get in ahead of City for him.

Leicester isn't a crap team. They struggled this season, much of which seem to have had to do with Ranieri (playing in Europe with a limited squad undoubtedly took its toll too). Once he was gone they began looking more like themselves again. And they did very well in the CL, holding their own against Atletico, and could have knocked them out too with a bit of luck.
 
Matuidi has no place and PSG would look for someone different. And he wouldn't displace Rakitic in anything.
Rakitic is a better player (not by much though), but Herrera would displace him - because Barca needs different kind of midfielder there (if they keep south american trio up front). There is a reason why Rakitic lost his place earlier. His best came when he played as a #10 in Sevilla; Herrera will bring more energy and ball-winning abilities, and his passing is good enough to make sure that he gets the ball to Messi and co.

Especially since Valverde was appointed as their manager - Herrera was the best player of his Athletic.
 
Rakitic is a better player (not by much though), but Herrera would displace him - because Barca needs different kind of midfielder there (if they keep south american trio up front). There is a reason why Rakitic lost his place earlier. His best came when he played as a #10 in Sevilla; Herrera will bring more energy and ball-winning abilities, and his passing is good enough to make sure that he gets the ball to Messi and co.

Especially since Valverde was appointed as their manager - Herrera was the best player of his Athletic.

I think that under Valverde they would play together and Iniesta would be used as an experienced impact player.
 
Who's this bloke?
He's a French football Journo that normally follows Chelsea. I've followed him on twitter for a number of years and he's not someone who makes stuff up regarding transfers.
 
Rakitic is a better player (not by much though), but Herrera would displace him - because Barca needs different kind of midfielder there (if they keep south american trio up front). There is a reason why Rakitic lost his place earlier. His best came when he played as a #10 in Sevilla; Herrera will bring more energy and ball-winning abilities, and his passing is good enough to make sure that he gets the ball to Messi and co.

Especially since Valverde was appointed as their manager - Herrera was the best player of his Athletic.

Herrerais going nowhere, he is passionate about united that this shirt. He'll reject barcelona.
 
Potentially looking at:

Ederson
Walker - Kompany - Stones - Mendy
Gundogan
B. Silva - De Bruyne - D. Silva - Sané
Aguero​

vs.​

De Gea
Valencia - Bailly - Lindelof - (Linked)?
Herrera - Fabinho - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Griezmann - Perisic
Gonna be some fiercely competitive derbies next season.

Why are you giving City Mendy already?
 
Seems like the best way to get the best out of a Griezmann/Pogba combination.

You'd imagine we'd also look replace at least one of Martial/Rashford in that set up too though.


Rashford????

No, thanks. The kid should come off the bench. We need to start scaring the heck out of our opponents from now on. Imagine being faced with a frontal attack of Lewandowski / Belotti / Lukaku, Antoine Griezmann, Costa / Perisic backed with a midfield that has Pogba, Herrera, Mikhi, Fabinho?

Imagine them seeing Rashford, Martial, Mata etc on the bench?

That fear alone can earn you like 15 points in a season.
 
Herrerais going nowhere, he is passionate about united that this shirt. He'll reject barcelona.
Never said that he is going anywhere. We're discussing if hypothetically he can be a starter for them.
 
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Love how a bunch of unverified nobodies on twitter are pretending to be ITK
 
All these formations without Herrera.. I'm not so sure.

Is Fabinho capable of being the Makelele with Herrera the Essien, freeing Pogba to be in more of a Lampard position?

Griezmann could end up playing on the wing...

It's nice to have options either way I suppose, we definitely don't have that luxury at the moment

I can bet that's exactly how Pogba will end up as a player. That Lampard kind of role fits him almost perfectly. If he can score half as much as Lampard, then considering his other incredible assets, he could become the best midfield player in the world.
 
Rashford????

No, thanks. The kid should come off the bench. We need to start scaring the heck out of our opponents from now on. Imagine being faced with a frontal attack of Lewandowski / Belotti / Lukaku, Antoine Griezmann, Costa / Perisic backed with a midfield that has Pogba, Herrera, Mikhi, Fabinho?

Imagine them seeing Rashford, Martial, Mata etc on the bench?

That fear alone can earn you like 15 points in a season.
Is Belotti that scary based on one season so far?
 
Thought this guy was a fullback? Sure we were linked with a fullback of the same name a little while ago?

He even wears no 2 on his shirt!
 
Thought this guy was a fullback? Sure we were linked with a fullback of the same name a little while ago?

He even wears no 2 on his shirt!

It's the same guy and yes he's a RWB/RB but this season he played his games in MF as part of MF duo, and he was amazing.
 
Potentially looking at:

Ederson
Walker - Kompany - Stones - Mendy
Gundogan
B. Silva - De Bruyne - D. Silva - Sané
Aguero​

vs.​

De Gea
Valencia - Bailly - Lindelof - (Linked)?
Herrera - Fabinho - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Griezmann - Perisic
Gonna be some fiercely competitive derbies next season.

De Gea
Valencia Bailly Lindelof Rojo
Herrera Fabinho Pogba
Griezmann Ibrahimovic Perisic
8 outfield players over 6ft in that team.
 
Rashford????

No, thanks. The kid should come off the bench. We need to start scaring the heck out of our opponents from now on. Imagine being faced with a frontal attack of Lewandowski / Belotti / Lukaku, Antoine Griezmann, Costa / Perisic backed with a midfield that has Pogba, Herrera, Mikhi, Fabinho?

Imagine them seeing Rashford, Martial, Mata etc on the bench?

That fear alone can earn you like 15 points in a season.

I agree with your general point, it's getting ridiculous that some think every transfer has to be vetted by how it might effect Rashford and Martial, some even want us to give up any potential title challenge by waiting around 5 months for a 36 year old coming off an ACL, while using a kid as our #9 for half the season.
 
That's very interesting..

I don't know if he is right or not but it's just to point out that there is conflicting reports on pretty much every players. I would advise people to take everything with a handful of salt.
 
I agree with your general point, it's getting ridiculous that some think every transfer has to be vetted by how it might effect Rashford and Martial, some even want us to give up any potential title challenge by waiting around 5 months for a 36 year old coming off an ACL, while using a kid as our #9 for half the season.

I couldn't have put that better.

People may disagree but trusting Rashford and Martial was a major part of our problem last season. Don't get me wrong, I think the kids can come good if they keep their heads straight but as at now, they are just not good enough to carry a squad like United.
 
I couldn't have put that better.

People may disagree but trusting Rashford and Martial was a major part of our problem last season. Don't get me wrong, I think the kids can come good if they keep their heads straight but as at now, they are just not good enough to carry a squad like United.

Agreed, some seem to think that if you don't want Rashford to be our #9 right now that you don't rate him, which is nonsense, he's a good young talent but he's not even close to the level of an 18 year old Rooney and we didn't put the team on his shoulders, there's no need to put the cart before the horse.
 
Agreed, some seem to think that if you don't want Rashford to be our #9 right now that you don't rate him, which is nonsense, he's a good young talent but he's not even close to the level of an 18 year old Rooney and we didn't put the team on his shoulders, there's no need to put the cart before the horse.


Very much on point.
 
:confused: You havent seen us implement a midfield of Pogba-Herrera-Fellaini (or Carrick) in most of our games this season, and all of our big games?
Let's see… In Europe, both Anderlecht games were 4-2-3-1, like both Celta's were 4-3-3, while the final was arguably 4-2-3-1, despite Fellaini's inclusion, because he was playing as #10 in front of the midfield two of Herrera-Pogba. Arsenal and Tottenham away were 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1, respectively, although City away was 4-3-3. Before, the two last games with Chelsea were closer to 4-4-2 then 3 at the back, for me.

So, I can't see any clear signs of implementing 4-3-3. On the contrary, I think it was the formation used to contain other teams when we were inferior physically or trying to defend and counter. And Mourinho knows he'll have to impose some free flowing attacking football, which he figured we were more able to in 4-2-3-1 specially with Mkhitaryan as #10. Nonetheless, without Ibrahimović, his tendency was to feature Rashford accompanied by another attacking player, that's why I'm seeing us playing more and more a 4-4-2, specially if Griezmann arrives, perhaps reverting to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 when in need to prioritise defense.
 
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Let's see… In Europe, both Anderlecht games were 4-2-3-1, like both Celta's were 4-3-3, while the final was arguably 4-2-3-1, despite Fellaini's inclusion, because he was playing as #10 in front of the midfield two of Herrera-Pogba. Arsenal and Tottenham away were 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1, although City away was 4-3-3. Before, the two last games with Chelsea were closer to 4-4-2 then 3 at the back, for me.

So, I can't see any clear signs of implementing 4-3-3. On the contrary, I think it was the formation used to contain other teams when we were inferior physically or trying to defend and counter. And Mourinho knows he'll have to impose some free flowing attacking football, which he figured we were more able to in 4-2-3-1 specially with Mkhitaryan as #10. Nonetheless, without Ibrahimović, his tendency was to feature Rashford accompanied by another attacking player, that's why I'm seeing us playing more and more a 4-4-2, specially if Griezmann arrives, perhaps reverting to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 when in need to prioritise defense.

Add mahrez and perisic in the summer, if fabinho, Our squad will be able to play every system out there :D. 442, 433, 451,4141,4231,4312,4213,3412,343,352.

Majority of games could still be a 433 or even a 4213 given our strikers are not capable enough to lead the line alone for majority of games.
 
He is. Same as Mbappe.
Can't see the resemblance. Mbappe is an 18-years old who scored 6 goals in 6 CL play-off games, including the goal against the currently best defence in the world. Belloti, however good his season was, did it in a relatively underwhelming Serie A and is 23-years old, with this season being the first of notice. He definitely does not have the same reputation (not discussing his actual level) that will make him feared by default.
 
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