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Canal+ Journo also reporting that Fabinho to Utd is close.


Hes quoting the first guy though, but I really hope we get him, it just makes so much sense.
 
No idea how we'll fit Fabinho, Antoine, Pogba and Herrera in the same team.

-----------Griezmann------------

--Rashford-------------Mkhitaryan---

------Pogba----------Herrera--------

-------------Fabinho----------------

I think that's how we might line up.
 
No idea how we'll fit Fabinho, Antoine, Pogba and Herrera in the same team.

Fabinho would just replace Carrick/Fellaini in our current setup and Griezmann replace any of the attacking 3, hopefully he plays centrally
 
No idea how we'll fit Fabinho, Antoine, Pogba and Herrera in the same team.

---------------------Fabinho---------------
--------------Herrera------Pogba---------
Griezmann---------------------------Mkhi
---------------------Rashford-------------
 
-----------Griezmann------------

--Rashford-------------Mkhitaryan---

------Pogba----------Herrera--------

-------------Fabinho----------------

I think that's how we might line up.
Can't see us going into next season playing Rashford, a striker, on the left. It's been a major problem for us; and lends credence to the Perisic rumours.
 
Don't even want Fabinho to be honest, will happily eat my words if he joins and does the business but im just not convinced by him
 
The guy linking the story on Twitter seems ok looking through his timeline. He's not got 40 'breaking news' transfer stories per day like your usual ITK and usually just posts general football news mainly about Monaco.

Hopefully it's legit.
 
Fabino---Herrera
---Pogba-----
RW--------LW
---Greizman---

:drool: Just need new wingers...

-----------Griezmann------------

--Rashford-------------Mkhitaryan---

------Pogba----------Herrera--------

-------------Fabinho----------------

I think that's how we might line up.

---------------------Fabinho---------------
--------------Herrera------Pogba---------
Griezmann---------------------------Mkhi
---------------------Rashford-------------

None of these have Griezmann playing behind a striker, which worries me. Don't think I've ever seen him leading the line/playing as an inside forward, is he any good?
 
Can't see us going into next season playing Rashford, a striker, on the left. It's been a major problem for us; and lends credence to the Perisic rumours.

I agree but Jose seems to be in love with Marcus and I don't think after all the game time he's received this season, he's going to be warming the bench. I think Jose might well play Rashford even if it means playing him out of position.

EDIT : Let's get back on topic with Fabinho.
 


Fabinho is close to signing for Manchester United from Monaco. The fee would be €40-€45m.

A sports management student in Nice. I think its not reputable source. Have to wait till someone better gets on this. Maybe he is relaying info of yesterday.
 
Don't even want Fabinho to be honest, will happily eat my words if he joins and does the business but im just not convinced by him


I'm the opposite he's exactly what we need, the best DM available by far imo.

Fabinho Pogba Herrera is fecking scary honestly.
 
None of these have Griezmann playing behind a striker, which worries me. Don't think I've ever seen him leading the line/playing as an inside forward, is he any good?
It's a dilemma, and one of which I've been concerned about since our interest in Greizman became obvious. He's naturally a second striker; but playing him there unbalances our team as he'd occupy the same positions that Pogba likes, and we could only play a two-man midfield, leaving us exposed, especially against strong opposition. Not signing Greizman, and spending the money on a player who actually fits the system is obvious solution - there are players out there, like Aubameyang, Mbappe, Dyaba - who would fit in, but it seems our sights are firmly set on Greizman, with Fabinho taking up a CDM role.
 
Fabino---Herrera
---Pogba-----
RW--------LW
---Greizman---

:drool: Just need new wingers...


Griezmann should be in RW position rather than leading the line. Otherwise Fabinho/Herrera and Pogba is great on paper.
 
I'm the opposite he's exactly what we need, the best DM available by far imo.

I'm just not a big believer in DMs who have limited passing capabilities :(

What aren't you convinced by?

I have seen him in a few champions league games and noticed that as much as Monaco are exciting going forward people just by pass their midfield so easily and they leak chance upon chance. Cant solely blame Fabinho but hes a part of it. Another thing is his passing range, take the Juventus game for example, he struggled to make basic 10-15 yard passes at times.
 
Actually this doesnt adress the argument at all. His argument is that Herrera would 'easily' get into the PSG midfield, and that it's not 'even debatable'. PSG's midfielders - Krychowiak, Verratti, Motta, Matuidi, and Rabiot, possibly ADM, whilst Draxler and Pastore could take up the attacking midfield roles if they play a two-man midfield. It is very much debatable that Herrera would walk into a midfield consisting of these players, all of whom have actually achieved a lot more than Herrera, whilst being younger than him. In the context of this thread, my ideal midfield (which I've posted before), is:

Fabinho--Verratti
---Pogba

with Verratti replacing Herrera. Verratti's a muppet signing in these boards, and for me it's not even in question that he's a better player than Herrera.

The comparison is disingenuous, why did you pick Herrera's best season, and compare to those 3 players' worst seasons (i.e. this season)? Let's make the comparison a little fairer:

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._bad_tackles/yellow_cards/pass_completion#avg

(I dont know how to embed the image, if someone could tell me, that would be great).

This shows some of those respective players stronger seasons. I've also added in Modric, who has just won La Liga with Real and got the CL final (and won it last year) - I suppose Herrera's clearly superior to him, since Squawka gives him a higher Total Score? I know who I'd rather have, and goes to show how misleading these stats are. The comparator looks a lot more equal if you are fair to the other players, and once again proves my point that it is very much debatable that Herrera would get into the PSG team. It's not some feat of achievement to get into Utd's midfield atm, Fellaini starts for us. When there's greater competition, it's not so easy to judge. Remember, I'm the one saying that there's a debate to be had whether Herrera's better than those PSG players, it's the other poster whose saying that he's clearly superior, which simply isnt the case.
Stats are not everything but you wanted facts and stats are facts.

The facts are Herrera walks into that PSG midfield with only Veratti being superior.

Total score asside i added stats from each secion Defence (blocks, clearences, Interceptions), Possession ( pass completion, Successful take on) and Attack (key passes, assists, chances created).

Herrera exceeds in all of them and there is very little left to discuss. I don't know what you have against Herrera but its clearly personal because anyone with a clear mind can see how influential a player like Herrera is.
 
Of all the Monaco players I would love here at Utd he is numero uno..
We need a midfielder to cover and strengthen and he ticks all the boxes.
 
Ok after some research, apparently Alexis Merlino was also the first one to break Tielmanns to Monaco and Silva to City. Looks like he is reliable.
 
Fabinho is actually the best example of a DM that isn't limited at all. He's even more well-rounded than someone like Weigl.

Some absolute shite spouted on here.
 
I'm just not a big believer in DMs who have limited passing capabilities :(

With Herrera and Pogba in front of him, the onus won't be on Fabinho to pick the passes, but rather keep things ticking over. And for a defensive midfielder, his attacking prowess is pretty remarkable.
 
I'm the opposite he's exactly what we need, the best DM available by far imo.

Fabinho Pogba Herrera is fecking scary honestly.
With Carrick, Fellaini, Fosu-Mensah, Pereira as depth
 
It's a dilemma, and one of which I've been concerned about since our interest in Greizman became obvious. He's naturally a second striker; but playing him there unbalances our team as he'd occupy the same positions that Pogba likes, and we could only play a two-man midfield, leaving us exposed, especially against strong opposition. Not signing Greizman, and spending the money on a player who actually fits the system is obvious solution - there are players out there, like Aubameyang, Mbappe, Dyaba - who would fit in, but it seems our sights are firmly set on Greizman, with Fabinho taking up a CDM role.
Pogba played fine in a 2 man CM with Herrera all year, especially against the smaller teams.
 
Stats are not everything but you wanted facts and stats are facts.

The facts are Herrera walks into that PSG midfield with only Veratti being superior.

Total score asside i added stats from each secion Defence (blocks, clearences, Interceptions), Possession ( pass completion, Successful take on) and Attack (key passes, assists, chances created).

Herrera exceeds in all of them and there is very little left to discuss. I don't know what you have against Herrera but its clearly personal because anyone with a clear mind can see how influential a player like Herrera is.
Like I said, you've compared the best season against the worst seasons, so it evens up a lot more the wider you look. I would take Modric over Herrera any day, regardless of what Squawka says about these criteria. On what basis is Verratti superior, according to your line of reasoning?

There's a lot left to discuss actually, and I dont have anything personal against him - look at my subsequent post - I've said the majority of our team isnt up to scratch. We've had two world class managers finish 4th, 5th and 6th.

We always used to say that the table doesnt lie when we won the title with Fergie, and we cant go back on that now - how are teams like Spurs and Arsenal consistently finishing above us in the table? Our squad, Herrera included, isnt as good as it's being made out to be.
 
I think that will be done too.
2/3 with a possibility of 3/3 is what you would call reliable.

So 2 of the RedCafe's twitter bots certified this twitter guy, must be reliable then :D

Hopefully we sign Fabinho and I Wouldn't care about anyone from Monaco as Silva is already gone.
 
With Herrera and Pogba in front of him, the onus won't be on Fabinho to pick the passes, but rather keep things ticking over. And for a defensive midfielder, his attacking prowess is pretty remarkable.

I just think the likes of Matic who sit in front of the defence, can offer so much when Chelsea have teams pinned back. Clever passing between the lines.. That's the sort of DM I would prefer. Admittedly I have not seen Fabinho a lot but him and Bakayoko were out of the game V Juventus. Mouthino came on and done more than the both combined.
 
-----------Griezmann------------

--Rashford-------------Mkhitaryan---

------Pogba----------Herrera--------

-------------Fabinho----------------

I think that's how we might line up.
Which would be bloody good tbf... Rashford can interchange with Griezmann and with Pogba, Herrera and Fabinho we have a brilliant midfield. Especially Pogba could profit as it gives him more room to roam
 
So 2 of the RedCafe's twitter bots certified this twitter guy, must be reliable then :D

Hopefully we sign Fabinho and I Wouldn't care about anyone from Monaco as Silva is already gone.
Not many will agree with that. Mendy on mbappe still on the table.
 
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