All this Herrera talk in this thread is zzzzz.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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No doubt, but I meant as a holding midfielder. A midfield of Herrera, Vidal, Thiago because Alonso is on his last legs.
Some players should be judged by more than just their natural footballing ability. The mentality of Ander Herrera on a football pitch is equalled only by a few. Players like him are a precious commodity and stand up in the biggest of games. I won't swap him with anyone. He is more underrated than anything.
Fabinho has had a good season. He has great natural ability and at his age has potential to be an absolute beast of a player. He'll complement Herrera and Pogba well.
People here worry too much about players future when we get linked to any player it's unreal. We should only be thinking about the team not a certain player's future. Jose sure has a plan in his mind to the best possible XI whatever the names in it and that's the most important thing.
Also if we went on to play 50-60 matches, most players will have their chances. Relax.
Also if we went on to play 50-60 matches, most players will have their chances. Relax.
There has been zero Fabinho news so they gotta talk about something
I'm pretty sure #9 is the attacking position Griezmann is least likely to play. You're again shifting what would be our best player into a role that suits him less to accomodate lesser players.
Besides, even if he was a #9 (and he isn't), he'd still hardly be the archetypal Mourinho #9. A set-up like the one in Damien's post a bit above yours looks far more like a typical Mourinho team than any of the alternatives do.
Maybe, but I'm not convinced Herrera shows the positional discipline to sit in front of the back 4. He is more a guy who chases the ball to win back possession and a guy who can speed up the attack. Thats why a guy like Fabinho would be immense given the amount of freedom Herrera and Pogba would get.
Herrera has defintely had a much better season than Rakitic has. He isn't even a consistent starter for them.
Herrera's not better than Rakitic, the latter's coming off on a bad season, but he's a treble-winning midfielder, and technically more competent than Herrera. At PSG, they have Verratti, Matuidi, Rabiot, Motta, Krychowiak, and ADM who can play in a 3-man midfield. He'd struggle to compete with such a collection.
This is about Fabinho though, he's perfect for the 433 set-up that we're looking to implement, though I do think we'd need a passer in midfield next to him to replace Carrick.
On the contrary, I've seen no signs of 4-3-3 implementation, and Fabinho would allow for a more secure midfield two with Pogba.
People like to claim that Pogba can only play in a midfield 3 to be effective or Grizmann only with another striker to score goals just because that's the system they thrived in before. If that's the case then we will either have to choose to build our team around only one of them or change system completely to a diamond or back 3 to fit them both in their 'best' roles.
You havent seen us implement a midfield of Pogba-Herrera-Fellaini (or Carrick) in most of our games this season, and all of our big games?Yeah, adding Belotti or Moratta would provide serious fire power.
All depends on whether Jose has any confidence on whether Martial or Rashford can contribute sufficient goals. Ironically enough, adding a proper DM would help the cause, as it would make Pogba exponentially more effective in the final third.
Yeah so why is Barca so interested in Rakitic is clearly better than him? So he can sit on the bench?
Krychowiak and Motta are DMs and Herrera is far better than Matuidi and is gets the nod ahead of Rabiot. He easily starts and its not even debatable.
Fabinho is replacing Carrick in a 433
Fabinho as the DM
Herrera and Pogba as B2B midfielders with Pogba being the focal point of the midfield
Matuidi isn't above Rabiot.
The fact that there's people debating in this thread clearly shows it is debatable. Dont be fooled by Barca's interest - they're transfer strategy in recent years has been laughable, they've spend big on bench players like Gomes, Arda, Alacacer. For PSG, if Motta starts as the DM, then Verratti and ADM start as the two other midfielders, and its not even in question that Herrera is better than either of them.
Should Greizmann come I think we might have to switch to a 352/3511
I said Herrera is.
Di Maria has played 0 games in central midfield for PSG.
Fabinho is my first choice for that holding midfield role, but am I the only one bothered by the fact that he's never been at one club for more than one season in his entire career?
That's not the point, the point is, given the choice, I'd have ADM in as a midfielder over Herrera, and PSG have that at their disposal. Your comment was that it's not even debatable that Herrera would get in the PSG team, i've shown that they have a plethora of options, some of which are clearly superior to Herrera.
Most likely
Quite possibly, given that he's been at Monaco almost 4 years.
Oh dear, all those "moves" were loans... Excuse me while I quietly exit with what remains of my dignity. Carry on folks.
Ah, don't worry about it. One of us will say something infinitely more daft within minutes to take the focus off you.
It very well is the point. Di Maria is a class wide player, but hasn't played enough games at CM to justify how good he is in the middle of the pitch. We might aswell say Bale or Neymar are quality CM's then?
You really haven't.
You still havent said anything to justify that Herrera is clearly superior to every PSG central midfielder; the suggestion that Bale or Neymar play in CM is nonsense, anyone with knowledge of ADM and career to date knows that he is more than capable of playing in central midfield - Ancelotti certainly thought so.
Herrera "far better" than Matuidi? The same Herrera who has 2 caps for Spain and at age 27? Matuidi, who has over 50 caps for France, and a finalist at a major international competition? Herrera, who has never finished above 4th in the league with Utd? And Rabiot, the same Rabiot that Xavi considered to be the best replacement for him at Barca?
No, it very much is debatable that he would get into the PSG team. I've clearly stated the facts, you're letting your emotion cloud your judgment on this one.
Has he even been linked with us recently or is the thread more active just because the goal.com guy said he's not going to City?
Herrera had ridiculous competitors in 4 of the best Midfielders to ever play. As good as the French are, its considerably easier to get in the team than it was to get in that Spanish side
I don't agree that Herrera would get into the PSG midfield, but the bolded part isn't exactly the way to judge a player.
Pelé once raved about El Hadj Diouf. Sir Alex thought Jones could go on to be our best ever player.
Is a 4-3-2-1 formation not the most likely if/when we sign Fabinho and Griezmann ? I've seen in a few places that Danny Rose wants to move and we're favourites to sign him so that'd give us two attacking full backs to create width which would allow both Mkhitaryan and Griezmann to play in behind the main striker.
Rashford
Griezmann Mkhitaryan
Pogba Herrera
Fabinho
Rose Keane Bailly Valencia
De Gea
It's a formation that would also suit Shaw, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Pereira and Martial as well as no doubt any other players Jose signs.
Rashford
Griezmann Mkhitaryan
Pogba Herrera
Fabinho
Rose Keane Bailly Valencia
De Gea
It's a formation that would also suit Shaw, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Pereira and Martial as well as no doubt any other players Jose signs.
Not sure if I believe Keane would start for us. Rojo and Bailly are our new long term partnership imo.
7 pages since that goal.com post denying City's interest and no sources linking us.
Feck sakes, was hoping for something more
Can we drop a boat of load of cash of at Monaco and get Mbappé too
That's about what it would take. A fecking super tanker full of Benjamins.
How's his passing? What is special about his game?
he has an 'inho' in his name.
Fabinho is probably the best of the young Monaco players behind Mbappe. Is going to be a world class holding midfielder if he continues his progress with the likes of Carrick available to mentor him. A midfield of Pogba Herrera Fabinho is just so sexy. Would be one of the top midfielder trio's in the world. Please make it happen Woody.
I'd be salivating if Zlatan was healthy enough to lead a front three with Mkhi and Griezmann. But sadly unless Martial pulls a miracle mental turnaround this summer or Rashford fills out his frame, we are going to be short a decent striker.
I'd be salivating if Zlatan was healthy enough to lead a front three with Mkhi and Griezmann. But sadly unless Martial pulls a miracle mental turnaround this summer or Rashford fills out his frame, we are going to be short a decent striker.
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