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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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Based on that we ought to sign Rabiot over Matuidi.
Just watched his 2016/17 season clips. My fecking goodness gracious!! He's exactly what we need as a DM. Seems like he can be B2B also, for Herrera's cover.
Rabiot is much better.
I'm not entirely clear on why people want Matuidi really. He's more of a box-to-box player than a holder, his passing isn't all that great, he's recently turned 30, and France have had a lot of trouble trying to play him and Pogba together. Rabiot would be a much better option (although I doubt we could get him).
To bring things back on topic, I would be more than happy with Fabinho. Ticks all the boxes for me.
What's taking so long... We should be going all out to sign this fecker, shouldn't we?
Well done sir
Yeah it was misplaced sarcasm. To clarify I'm well and truly in the Herrera camp!
Where is all this Fabinho gossip coming from? Can't see any major media outlets talking about it? Are we basing this purely on that bloke who said he won't go to City?
I swear Herrera is the most underrated player by those who don't see United regularly. I mean just see the Kante vs Herrera thread and check out the responses of the opposition posters on this comparison inspite of the fact that statistically Herrera beats Kante at every department needed for a central midfielder position.
If we sign Fabinho along with Griezmann then I am pretty sure our preferred formation for most games would be 4231, Herrera would used as first sub for our midfield and as back up for both Pogba and Fabinho he won't be a starter for sure unless Fabinho struggles to establish himself as first choice.
ANYWAY BACK TO FABINHO:
Enough of this Herrera discussion.
Enough of this Herrera discussion.
Good thing news reported he's not joining City. Otherwise the meltdown here would have been crazy.
City can change their mind any time, though ...
Yeah but tbf Herrera has only really shone since Jose settled with him in that midfield terrier role. Before that experiments by LvG with him at #10, as a pivot and as an orthodox CM had shown glimpses of promise but no long term consistency
Owned.
He got served.
Actually this doesnt adress the argument at all. His argument is that Herrera would 'easily' get into the PSG midfield, and that it's not 'even debatable'. PSG's midfielders - Krychowiak, Verratti, Motta, Matuidi, and Rabiot, possibly ADM, whilst Draxler and Pastore could take up the attacking midfield roles if they play a two-man midfield. It is very much debatable that Herrera would walk into a midfield consisting of these players, all of whom have actually achieved a lot more than Herrera, whilst being younger than him. In the context of this thread, my ideal midfield (which I've posted before), is:
Fabinho--Verratti
---Pogba
with Verratti replacing Herrera. Verratti's a muppet signing in these boards, and for me it's not even in question that he's a better player than Herrera.
The comparison is disingenuous, why did you pick Herrera's best season, and compare to those 3 players' worst seasons (i.e. this season)? Let's make the comparison a little fairer:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m..._bad_tackles/yellow_cards/pass_completion#avg
(I dont know how to embed the image, if someone could tell me, that would be great).
This shows some of those respective players stronger seasons. I've also added in Modric, who has just won La Liga with Real and got the CL final (and won it last year) - I suppose Herrera's clearly superior to him, since Squawka gives him a higher Total Score? I know who I'd rather have, and goes to show how misleading these stats are. The comparator looks a lot more equal if you are fair to the other players, and once again proves my point that it is very much debatable that Herrera would get into the PSG team. It's not some feat of achievement to get into Utd's midfield atm, Fellaini starts for us. When there's greater competition, it's not so easy to judge. Remember, I'm the one saying that there's a debate to be had whether Herrera's better than those PSG players, it's the other poster whose saying that he's clearly superior, which simply isnt the case.
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I will say it to you both again. The reason it is debatable isn't because of Herrera's absolute talent, it's because of what he provides. If you break down the Total score and look at the attack, possession and defence scores with Herrera, Verratti, Rabiot and Motta you will quickly understand.
His conclusions are obviously based on performances this season, because they count for more. So it definitely makes sense to compare everyone based on the season that's just gone.
I'm not always sold on stats and your opinion stands valid too, but you can't call the comparison disingenuous just because it actually sort of brings credence to his point in a formidable way. Of all the midfielders in PSG you can only clearly pick Verrati ahead of Herrera and I think in a midfield three you can easily accomodate the both of them.
Herrera is good at breaking up the opposition play, high pressing and closing the space down in midfeild proactively, while his passing is many times safe and could do better, so he offers good midfeild control and sheilds the defense, offensive wise there are better than him.
Forget statistics for a second (I've shown above how misleading they can be), Kante's been the backbone of two title-winning teams consecutively. Meanwhile Herrera's been part of a team that's finished 4th, 5th and 6th in the last 3 seasons, and getting knocked out of the CL in the group stages. Herrera's a good player, but if anything he's being overrated by some. He doesnt compare to the CMs of the calibre Utd used to have, and isnt at the level of players you need if you want to compete with Real etc. Dont get me wrong, im not only talking about Herrera, I think this about the majority of our team - it's full of average players, or just good players who lack a strong mentality (Mkhitaryan, Martial fit the bill here). There must be a reason why, with two world class managers since Fergie's retirement, we've finished so poorly in the league - I would argue that the squad isnt as good as some make it out to be.
This thread's about Fabinho, and I would reiterate that he'd be an instant improvement on all of our midfielders.
If Kante signed for Sunderland tomorrow and Ander for Barcelona, would their league positions next season determine who the better player was?
Herrera is better than Matuidi or Rabiot. Veratti is probably better although not on the basis of this season and Fabinho would bring something totally different and be outstanding in our midfield should he join.
Would be as good as any midfield around.
Herrera is better than Matuidi or Rabiot. Veratti is probably better although not on the basis of this season and Fabinho would bring something totally different and be outstanding in our midfield should he join.
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Herrera Pogba
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Would be as good as any midfield around.
Kante won the title with Leicester, about as close to playing for Sunderland as you could get (before their sudden rise), and he was still better than Herrera. In other words, Kante has already shown he can shine in a crap team. He's more likely to sign for Real at this stage, in any event.
Football's about opinions, and I dont think it's clear cut that Herrera is better than any of PSG's midfielders; Rabiot's only 22, so is more than likely going to improve and surpass Herrera, if he hasnt already. You mention that Verratti's not had the best of seasons, but none of PSG's players have, and the finger's being pointed an Emery, who managed to blow a league title that PSG should win every year. Compare Herrera to these players last season and it's a completely different picture (eg. Krwychowiak won the Europa League with Sevilla, and was being lauded as one of Europe's finest CMs at the time).
I agree with you on Fabinho, he would change our dynamics in midfield, and free up Pogba. He was in my top three targets this summer, with Greizman and Mbappe. We need to get in ahead of City for him.
Matuidi would be a fantastic signing if it meant that we could spend our budget on griezmann and a striker eg lukaku. Hard to see us buying griezmann, lukaku and fabhino for 50m.
Was in my top three as well, along with Griezmann and Mendy.
I really like Rabiot but I do think players at PSG tend to get overrated by shining against mediocre opposition every week before arriving to the CL in a settled, rested and confident side.
Players like Herrera have to battle game in, game out against tough, physical PL sides who love to raise their game against United.
Obviously football is about opinions, I just don't think it's fair to include arguments about where individual players finish in a league of teams.
Or how many caps a 30 year old built up in a French side which was very average for a few years, vs a younger player who got less caps in a Spanish era which will go down as one of the all time great teams.
I'd be really surprised if City didn't sign him. He fits the profile of Guardiola's fullback/midfield hybrid very well.
Certainly, nobody worth listening to has recently suggested United are in for him. Matic, Dier and Bakayoko seem to be the oft-mentioned targets.
Come on Ed, do it!
It's not that City changed their mind, they've been told no I believe. Going for William Carvalho + Walker now instead.
You're right and that's a fair argument, but the point I would make is that, equally, it isnt fair to compare a player whose just had his best season against those who have arguably just had their worst (whether that be by managerial incompetence, jadedness, natural decline due to age), or their worst in a long time (which is what the Squawka comparator above is doing). Looking at it holistically, and over a number of years, it very much is up for debate whether Herrera's better than those players, or even if Fabinho is, to keep this relevant to the thread.
He fits the bill for several reasons, I'd expect Mourinho to add extra height to the team either at left back or in the form of a central midfielder.
Fabinho is close to signing for Manchester United from Monaco. The fee would be €40-€45m.
Not sure exactly who Alexis Merlino is but it seems he might be a Journo/reporter who follows Monaco.
Is he really no more expensive than Perisic. Get it done.
Reliable?
Seems to be credited with the Silva to City and Teilemans to Monaco. And his followers seem convinced he is legit.
He has 1500 followers ffs
Bring it....
Canal+ Journo also reporting that Fabinho to Utd is close.
Splendid news. Absolutely what we need 
Looks like they're quoting that Alexis guy.
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