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Do we need Fabinho? I like Darmian, I think he can develop as a very good RB, and he should be very interesting tactically (Italian footballer, all of this...).
Now maybe Fabinho vs Darmian is better than Valencia vs Darmian but well, I don't know what to think of this one.
 
Been saying all along we need a right back. Not sure if he is the answer but for me Valencia should be a back up at most, he is not a specialist right back.. can't really cross the ball and is not a top notch defender. TFM is not comfortable in that position at all and needs to develop in another position, he's wasted in that position and has a limited skill set for that position and Darmian is fecking shite and needs to be sold.
 
Is he good? dont really know about him tbh.

I guess darmian may be used in the pogba deal
 
Darmian is being dismissed because he took long to adapt to PL in favour of another import who we dont even know if he will cope at United. Why not be patient with Darmian
 
Bruno8 said:
Darmian is being dismissed because he took long to adapt to PL in favour of another import who we dont even know if he will cope at United. Why not be patient with Darmian
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It depends on if Jose prefers a more attacking full back. Darmian definitely isnt. Brazilian full backs by trait are very good going forward. And Fabinho is still young enough where we can help improve the defensive side to his game.
 
RDCR07 said:
It depends on if Jose prefers a more attacking full back. Darmian definitely isnt. Brazilian full backs by trait are very good going forward. And Fabinho is still young enough where we can help improve the defensive side to his game.
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Urg, it's the opposite. This guy asset is his defensive nous. He can be useful attacking but not your Maicon or Dani Alves. So the way he play is more like Wes Brown best season as our right back. Can play DM too. His style IMO is similar to Gilberto Silva. He is hardly goes to ground, but still able to nick the ball off the attacker. Not too fast, not too aggressive, not too strong, not too dirty... but seems to have a good mixed of anything
 
RDCR07 said:
It depends on if Jose prefers a more attacking full back. Darmian definitely isnt. Brazilian full backs by trait are very good going forward. And Fabinho is still young enough where we can help improve the defensive side to his game.
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Sure for the attacking part, but defensive duties also require some tactical discipline or he could just be a Marcelo bis. I wouldn't give up on Darmian just yet, but we will see.
 
Bruno8 said:
Darmian is being dismissed because he took long to adapt to PL in favour of another import who we dont even know if he will cope at United. Why not be patient with Darmian
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We can't limit ourself to only having an overlapping and attacking left side, we need that for both sides, and Darmian will never amount to much in overlaps \ attack. He might become an okayish RB, but never a FB. And teams today needs more strings to play on, two attacking FBs is a must.
 
ti vu said:
Urg, it's the opposite. This guy asset is his defensive nous. He can be useful attacking but not your Maicon or Dani Alves. So the way he play is more like Wes Brown best season as our right back. Can play DM too. His style IMO is similar to Gilberto Silva. He is hardly goes to ground, but still able to nick the ball off the attacker. Not too fast, not too aggressive, not too strong, not too dirty... but seems to have a good mixed of anything
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Shades of Darmian in that description..
 
SwansonsTache said:
We can't limit ourself to only having an overlapping and attacking left side, we need that for both sides, and Darmian will never amount to much in overlaps \ attack. He might become an okayish RB, but never a FB. And teams today needs more strings to play on, two attacking FBs is a must.
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The thing is Fabinho doesn't really do that either. He may be marginally better than Darmian, but if that was what Mourinho wanted, he should be looking elsewhere.
 
Darmian is not relevant. The question that should be asked is if he's better than Valencia and if so by how much. Valencia is decent enough without being great and unless this guy is quite a significant upgrade on Valencia I don't really see the point. On the other hand if he really is the real then we should be all over him. Pretty much the perfect age as well.

Would we get a work permit for him though?
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
Shades of Darmian in that description..
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Depend in the standard you set. Darmian is weak compared to PL standard. Not athletic. Mild, not even little aggressive. Darmian doesn't fancy duel as last men in the defense. Darmian's defensive style is closing the angle and leads opponent to dead alley and force mistake. Darmian style relies heavily team's defensive shape and discipline.

This guy can be more enforcing in duel. Not over offensively but can provide steady support with some occasional individual brilliance

Akash said:
Darmian is not relevant. The question that should be asked is if he's better than Valencia and if so by how much. Valencia is decent enough without being great and unless this guy is quite a significant upgrade on Valencia I don't really see the point. On the other hand if he really is the real then we should be all over him. Pretty much the perfect age as well.

Would we get a work permit for him though?
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Darmian in form like the first few games at the start of last season is better than Valencia as full back (unnatural leading to some serious tactical error). This guy is supposed to be better than Darmian and has room to improve.

Not sure about work permit, but having played in Europe for years may help? He will play in Olympic?
 
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Gasolin said:
Do we need Fabinho? I like Darmian, I think he can develop as a very good RB, and he should be very interesting tactically (Italian footballer, all of this...).
Now maybe Fabinho vs Darmian is better than Valencia vs Darmian but well, I don't know what to think of this one.
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Darmian is not even better than Valencia at RB.smh
 
SwansonsTache said:
We can't limit ourself to only having an overlapping and attacking left side, we need that for both sides, and Darmian will never amount to much in overlaps \ attack. He might become an okayish RB, but never a FB. And teams today needs more strings to play on, two attacking FBs is a must.
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Spot on. It's why tottenham were successful last season. Both their fullbacks were the key to their consistency in my opinion. We need to attacking fullbacks to help unlock all these campers. Darmian will never amount to anything that has to do with attacking.
 
This seems to have come out of nowhere. Any reliable sources linking us to him? I gather Flo Fieschi has sparked the excitement. I've never heard of him. Has anyone else and if so is he actually credible?
 
I've read about us being linked with him for a while so it's not an entirely new one. Obviously we'd done a lot of scouting Monaco for martial so whether the link started because journos caught wind of us scouting their matches and worked out the wrong target or whether we scouted both is anyone's guess. Supposedly he's very quick but a powerful runner like ivanovic rather than an alves style dribbler. He's a big lad too something like 6'2. He'd be a good signing, just depends whether Jose decides mensah can do a job at full back or not because Valencia's often injured and darmian doesn't appear to be what we were hoping for.
 
Bruno8 said:
Darmian is being dismissed because he took long to adapt to PL in favour of another import who we dont even know if he will cope at United. Why not be patient with Darmian
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Disagree, I've had a zx spectrum that ran faster than darmian. I think that's his problem. He struggles with players running at him and hes quite limited in terms of getting up and down the flank. I'd imagine conte could do more with him in a wing back role with 3 cb's than mourinho could with him as a full back with 2 cb's.
 
Well, Mourinho was the one who trusted in him when he was in Madrid.

He debuted against Malaga on may 8. And he said something like: "I'm pretty happy because I could play, Jose called me to train with the first team, but I didn't expect to play today. Mourinho congratulated me."
 
From what I've heard, Fabinho isn't a RB that overlaps very often. The main gripe people had with Darmian was his lack of an offensive dimension to his play, so signing this guy wouldn't solve anything really. We've already got a safety first RB in Darmian and hopefully Mou manages to get him back to his best. What we need is more of a Dani Alves type RB (more physical though) I think. Not too many standout names tbh.
 
The main gripe people had with Darmuan is he can't defend or attack over a 90 minute game. I remember that PSV game where he got torn apart defensively and he was pretty much like that all season. It is a myth that he's defensively rock solid. He's not good enough for a top club based on his first season.. I'd sell him personally.
 
Bruno8 said:
Darmian is being dismissed because he took long to adapt to PL in favour of another import who we dont even know if he will cope at United. Why not be patient with Darmian
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Darmian was being nominated as MOTM from the start in the early days, even when he barely deserved a mention.

Based on the opinions of those who know far more than me, he may still come good. But given our financial leverage and the transition the club is going through, we need to be cold-blooded.
 
Fraud said:
Well, Mourinho was the one who trusted in him when he was in Madrid.

He debuted against Malaga on may 8. And he said something like: "I'm pretty happy because I could play, Jose called me to train with the first team, but I didn't expect to play today. Mourinho congratulated me."
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He was at Real Madrid? A complete WTF moment to me, now strengthened because I just found out he was on loan from Rio Ave.
 
Sarni said:
He was at Real Madrid? A complete WTF moment to me, now strengthened because I just found out he was on loan from Rio Ave.
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He was one of the 49 debutants Mourinho was talking about during the press conference.
 
Raees said:
The main gripe people had with Darmuan is he can't defend or attack over a 90 minute game. I remember that PSV game where he got torn apart defensively and he was pretty much like that all season. It is a myth that he's defensively rock solid. He's not good enough for a top club based on his first season.. I'd sell him personally.
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Darmian's defending started strong but went downhill from there. I'm willing to give him a little benefit of the doubt though as it was his first season in the PL. Don't mind if we sell, but don't mind if we give him one more season to prove himself either. Recycling FBs every season isn't going to do us any favors either. I doubt Fabinho would come in and be a hit right away.
 
Akshay said:
Darmian's defending started strong but went downhill from there. I'm willing to give him a little benefit of the doubt though as it was his first season in the PL. Don't mind if we sell, but don't mind if we give him one more season to prove himself either. Recycling FBs every season isn't going to do us any favors either. I doubt Fabinho would come in and be a hit right away.
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I know nothing about Fabinho in all honesty. Just don't fancy Darmian at all.. even his youtube videos when we first signed him underwhelmed me. He just lacked athleticism and whilst he looked decent in preseason.. once the season got underway he has shown no promise at all in my opinion.

Right back is definitely an issue for us because our left back position is so strong and we have depth there. Right back is very poor position for us.
 
Raees said:
I know nothing about Fabinho in all honesty. Just don't fancy Darmian at all.. even his youtube videos when we first signed him underwhelmed me.

Right back is definitely an issue for us because our left back position is so strong and we have depth there. Right back is very poor position for us.
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Thing is, if we sign a RB I think we have to let one of Darmian or Valencia go. Valencia really doesn't play in any other position nowadays. Ideally we'd be buying a proven RB we could have no doubts would slot into the first team and then let one of these two be the backup. I'm not convinced Darmian was an upgrade on Rafael even considering his injuries.
 
Akshay said:
Thing is, if we sign a RB I think we have to let one of Darmian or Valencia go. Valencia really doesn't play in any other position nowadays. Ideally we'd be buying a proven RB we could have no doubts would slot into the first team and then let one of these two be the backup. I'm not convinced Darmian was an upgrade on Rafael even considering his injuries.
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I'd keep Valencia all day long over Darmian. He looks competent at least.
 
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